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Thoughts on the FN PS 90?
24 June, 2013 | LucianOfSamasota

Posted on 06/24/2013 9:44:44 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota

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1 posted on 06/24/2013 9:44:44 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota
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To: LucianOfSamasota

My thoughts (as someone shopping a PS-90 and an AR57).

- Ammunition is very expensive and difficult to find.

- PS-90 has one, non-adjustable LOP. If it’s not comfortable for your, you’re out of luck.

- PS-90 requires that the shooters hands be placed close together, in exactly the same place. Again, if you don’t like that, you’re out of luck.

- PS-90 IS very soft shooting.

Because it’s so unique, the PS-90 is really a gun that the individual MUST handle (and should shoot) before buying. A lot of people either love them or hate them.


2 posted on 06/24/2013 9:49:15 AM PDT by altsehastiin
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I’ve read the Secret Service uses the full auto version.

IMO the caliber is too light for home defense. You have to put a lot of rounds into a target to stop them.

A shotgun or a revolver would be better for someone with limited experience and strength.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 9:49:18 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
"Are there any men in the group?"


4 posted on 06/24/2013 9:50:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: TheOldLady

Ping.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 9:50:44 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Isn’t that an SBR? 5.7mm ammo isn’t all that common, unless you are going to reload.


6 posted on 06/24/2013 9:51:00 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

No, the PS-90 typically sold in the US has a 16”, but it’s very short since it’s a bullup.

Many people do SBR them, however.


7 posted on 06/24/2013 9:54:43 AM PDT by altsehastiin
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Does anyone have first hand experience with the FN PS 90?

It is a fun gun to fire.

Would it be a 'good' self defense choice for a woman who is not comfortable with a 5.56×45mm carbine due to weight and recoil? (Not me.)

Yes; the recoil is on-par with a .22 rifle.

Does it feed reliably?

I think I've had a total of one round not fire — I suspect it was a dud primer, but I have had no problems with the feeding.

Or is this a gun designed for a full auto machine pistol role which loses value when confined to a semi auto capability?

I've only fired semi-auto, it's a good firearm IMO. I've heard from some Army-buddies that the full-auto is even more fun, but that's 2nd hand.
In a riot situation* the 50 rd magazine makes a lot of sense, because if there's a crowd coming to get you, you do't want to run out of ammo.

* - I bet a damaged food supply-line would escalate things to riot pretty quickly.

8 posted on 06/24/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

>>>Isn’t that an SBR? 5.7mm ammo isn’t all that common, unless you are going to reload.<<<

Isn’t it a caseless ammo?


9 posted on 06/24/2013 9:58:14 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I can’t imagine someone who is uncomfortable with the weight and recoil of an AR-15 being comfortable with any other defense-grade rifle ought there. As for P90, I’m not sure the rounds available on the civilian market are viable for self-defense.

Unless she has some sort of medical problem that would preclude doing so, best advice would be for her to continue shooting the AR-15 until she gets used to it.


10 posted on 06/24/2013 10:01:32 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
"Would it be a 'good' self defense choice for a woman who is not comfortable with a 5.56×45mm carbine due to weight and recoil? (Not me.) Does it feed reliably? "

IMHO, a better option for somebody who wasn't comfortable with a 5.56 and was looking for something in the PDW class would be the good ole M1 carbine with a folding stock:

The first thing people say when they pick it up is they can't believe how light it is.

The first thing people say when they shoot it is they can't believe how tame and accurate it is.

Hornady is also now making their Critical Defense loads for the .30 carbine:


11 posted on 06/24/2013 10:02:36 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: humblegunner; TheOldLady; LucianOfSamasota

I love, love, love the PS-90!


12 posted on 06/24/2013 10:03:31 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: UCANSEE2

THAT ONE ON THE FAR LEFT IS A WOMAN...........AS PER USUAL............


13 posted on 06/24/2013 10:06:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Sweet gun if you can afford it. I'm shooting its companion piece, the Five seveN in 5.7 and the ammo has been very difficult to find recently although it's coming back on market a little just now.

It's noisy and very soft-shooting, very fast on target for follow-up shots. Recoil hardly worth talking about. the 90 I shot could have used a little trigger-work but it isn't all that bad right out of the box.

Warning on the ammo - there is a lacquer coating that should NOT be polished off if you're reloading it. After a couple of reloads the stuff starts flaking off by itself and has to be removed from the chamber with a solvent that will melt the plastic on the gun if you're not careful to keep it off. That's the price you pay for bleeding-edge technology.

14 posted on 06/24/2013 10:09:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LucianOfSamasota

If you have money to burn on the PS-90, see if you can get a full auto uzi. It will cost considerably more, but the ammo is cheaper, and nothing says “get out of my house scumbag” like getting hit with a short burst from a smg.


15 posted on 06/24/2013 10:10:18 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: LucianOfSamasota; humblegunner
Does anyone have first hand experience with the FN PS 90?

I have a PS-90, and it is a very sweet rifle.

Would it be a 'good' self defense choice for a woman who is not comfortable with a 5.56×45mm carbine due to weight and recoil? (Not me.)

It is a great choice for someone who needs a light rifle with minimal recoil. The longer barrel version (like mine) has a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps, which packs a lot of punch for a tiny projectile.

Does it feed reliably?

My husband, my friends, and I have run the equivalent of two dozen 50rd mags through the rifle without a jam or ftf. We stocked up just before the panic buying of ammo caused by the g'mint. It takes a search, but the ammo is still available. Be persistent.

Or is this a gun designed for a full auto machine pistol role which loses value when confined to a semi auto capability?

The rifle performs just fine in semi-auto mode, but whether to convert to full auto is up to the owner. We opted to stick with semi-auto.
16 posted on 06/24/2013 10:14:41 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Tell her to watch old Stargate episodes. :-) /sarc


17 posted on 06/24/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: onyx; humblegunner; LucianOfSamasota

Did you convince DrO to get you one yet?

If not, there is always the next shoot. [smiles]


18 posted on 06/24/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Red Steel

The full-auto P90 seemed to easily penetrate heavy Jaffa armor at long ranges.


19 posted on 06/24/2013 10:21:01 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: TheOldLady

Well, not yet. He’s a tightwad. I’ll have to let the impact of the saved cig money hit. :)


20 posted on 06/24/2013 10:25:33 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: driftdiver
There is only one reason the USSS uses the PN90. They want to punch through body armor and they have access to the specific ammo that will do it.

I would echo what other people said about more common ammo. Once you drop below 5.56 you are looking at short range carbines. Maybe something in a pistol caliber would be better. A pistol caliber that matches other guns you already own.

Another option might be stripping down a short AR to make it lighter and training her to get used to the recoil. You can't get much lighter recoil than an AR, but a pimped out AR with a metal forearm can get pretty heavy to lug around. If she was shooting an AR it might not really be the recoil, but the racket from the recoil spring right next to her head that she doesn't like.

21 posted on 06/24/2013 10:28:51 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Prvi Partisan has the soft nose rounds at $.50 per through Widener’s. But for home defense in a rifle round, I prefer the 5.56 in an AR pistol with 11 inch barrel. If you need to use it at more than fifty yards, the tube from a shop vac slips over the buffer tube quite nicely.


22 posted on 06/24/2013 10:38:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: USNBandit

My wife has trouble holding an AR up, she also has trouble with the slide of an automatic, and the hammer of my ruger .357 revolver.

I’m thinking of a 20 ga double barrel for her.


23 posted on 06/24/2013 10:43:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

IMHO neither the 5.56 nor M1 carbine have any recoil; however, I have a 15 yo daughter that loves the M1 and hates the AR (noise too loud), conversely my 12 yo daughter loves the AR and says the M1 kicks too hard. It’s not logical, but its real.


24 posted on 06/24/2013 10:45:47 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
"It’s not logical, but its real."

Makes sense to me. I'm guessing the ergonomics of the respective weapons fit their builds differently, and hence they experience the felt recoil differently. I also know it's largely psychological, but a lot of people are weirded out by a reciprocating charging handle like on the Carbine or an M-14, and much prefer the AR since all the movement is internal and goes unnoticed.

25 posted on 06/24/2013 10:49:36 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Felt recoil is definitely difficult to define, it’s best just to accept different strokes for different folks.


26 posted on 06/24/2013 10:54:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Hornady is also now making their Critical Defense loads for the .30 carbine:

This is probably the most important thing about ammo for the M-1. The old ball ammo wasn't that effective. Better than a pistol, but not much. I'm going to get some of that new ammo for my daughter's M-1.

27 posted on 06/24/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: onyx; All

Thanks for the advice/information/opinions/impressions!

Much help in determining how to proceed!


28 posted on 06/24/2013 11:04:39 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Strategerist

They are also good at taking out Wraith at close range Ping!


29 posted on 06/24/2013 11:14:17 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Something else to think about.

How about a carbine chambered in a pistol round?

Beretta CX4 .40?

Or even an HK USC in .45, if you’re feeling spendy.


30 posted on 06/24/2013 11:16:58 AM PDT by altsehastiin
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To: TheOldLady; Jim Robinson; LucianOfSamasota
"I have a PS-90, and it is a very sweet rifle."

There it is! With a couple of ol' range rats but just ignore them...


31 posted on 06/24/2013 12:35:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

LOL!


32 posted on 06/24/2013 12:38:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SampleMan; Joe 6-pack
5.56 recoil? .30 carbine recoil? Huh? Such things are in the same category as hens teeth.

Then again, I am a poor one to judge recoil. To me, full power .45-70 out of a light lever gun isn't really all that bad.

33 posted on 06/24/2013 12:40:57 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: driftdiver

When I was in the Navy I went to the range with some of our sailors and a handful of M-11s, the SIG 228 in 9mm. I was surprised how many of the women had troubles pulling the double action trigger.


34 posted on 06/24/2013 12:50:36 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: jboot; SampleMan
"5.56 recoil? .30 carbine recoil? Huh? Such things are in the same category as hens teeth. Then again, I am a poor one to judge recoil. To me, full power .45-70 out of a light lever gun isn't really all that bad."

In case you hadn't noticed, the discussion was about suitable firearms for women and SampleMan's 12 and 15 year old daughters.

But thanks for letting us know what a real man you are anyways. A lot of us were, ya know, wondering about that.

35 posted on 06/24/2013 12:53:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: USNBandit

i guess my other option is to keep a round chambered, so all she has to do is flip the safety off on the AR. The dbl action trigger on the sig won’t work but I bet the glock trigger might. She probably wouldn’t be able to get many shots off but then it wouldnt take many with a .45.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 1:01:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jboot; Joe 6-pack

jboot, I’ll let my 12-year-old daughter know that you are tougher than her. Would you like her to sign anything for you to that effect? Could come in handy the next time someone questions your .45-70 story. ;-)


37 posted on 06/24/2013 1:03:03 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: driftdiver
Whatever weapon you pick for her, she needs to be able to function it completely on her own without help, including malfunctions. Glocks are great for low trigger weight, but the slides are still pretty stiff, especially on the smaller ones.

What I would recommend is looking around your local area for a gun class for ladies, taught by a lady. They can often times provide the right opportunity to try different kinds of guns and find one she can operate. You might be able to find a recommendation at your local gun shop.

38 posted on 06/24/2013 1:26:15 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I own one. Must SBR to avoid the “dork/wannabel factor.

Must get a can to complete the package.

When suppressed, the supersonic ammo is so tiny that it has a minimal “crack” signature.

The entire manual of arms is odd (mag placement, etc.

I’ll bet her problem with the AR is not recopil, but noise. Try it with a can, if you can (You’ll want to SBR to avoid excessive length.)

Or get a pistol caliber carbine. Try the TNW ASR, or any of a host of others.

But mastering the AR is the best suggestion. The PS90 is a novelty, not an ideal for just a out anyone.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 2:41:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: USNBandit

Good point about the recoil noise. Get a “twang buster” or look at advabced alternatuve stocks.


40 posted on 06/24/2013 2:43:57 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Anyine who has trouble holding up an AR (who isn’t disabled) just needs a little conditioning (using soup cans as weights).

And could probably use some expert training about proper stance and shooting positions. Just because everyone at the range either stands or rests on a bench doesn’t mean that’s how its done.


41 posted on 06/24/2013 2:58:15 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Shooting the AR family reminds me of repeatedly slamming shut the screen door at my grandparents’ lake cabin. That was one of the old school metal screen doors with the big ole’ spring on it.


42 posted on 06/24/2013 2:58:45 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: altsehastiin
I will echo many other thoughts of the posters here.

1. Ammo is expensive and hard to find. Cabellas most times have it but have a thick wallet before you go in. My recommendation is to buy a bunch when you find it, because it IS hard to find.

2. Not too much felt recoil.

3. It's nice to have 20 rounds in the mag. Talk about crowd control...

4. In my Five-seveN the report is LOUD! The crack is shockingly sharp. Practice with good ear protection!

43 posted on 06/24/2013 3:09:27 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Does anyone have first hand experience with the FN PS 90?

Yes.

Would it be a 'good' self defense choice for a woman who is not comfortable with a 5.56×45mm carbine due to weight and recoil? (Not me.

Yes. However, it is NOT for those who simply aim center mass and fire once. If that's your model of employment, get a shotgun. It was designed for fighting, that's the way it should be employed.

Does it feed reliably?

Absolutely!!! Furthermore, it sends the brass straight down instead of bouncing it off the wall you happen to be standing next to....

Or is this a gun designed for a full auto machine pistol role which loses value when confined to a semi auto capability?

As it was designed in conjunction with the five seven pistol, which does not fire automatically, one would have to conclude the round was designed to function in the semi-auto role as well. This little carbine has been the end of many hogs and dogs in its short history.

44 posted on 06/24/2013 5:08:12 PM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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To: driftdiver

See if you can get her to fire and load a Kel Tec Sub 2000 in Glock 9mm configuration. Or, the .40cal version. 33 round mags, Glock reliable, but a light carbine with smack. I shoot 147 grain 9mm in my folder. You can mount a suppressor on them, too.


45 posted on 06/24/2013 5:21:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: USNBandit; Atlas Sneezed
Shooting the AR family reminds me of repeatedly slamming shut the screen door at my grandparents’ lake cabin. That was one of the old school metal screen doors with the big ole’ spring on it.

That's a really good analogy - it is a lot like a screen door spring, just sped up a bit.

There's a silent "captured" spring & buffer assembly out there (by JP Rifles) that uses a smaller diameter spring, and therefore keeps it from sliding along the wall of the buffer tube where you can hear it. Pricey bit of hardware, but some people really hate that noise.

46 posted on 06/24/2013 5:41:06 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: USNBandit; driftdiver

>>If she was shooting an AR it might not really be the recoil, but the racket from the recoil spring right next to her head that she doesn’t like.

That’s a really excellent point that driftdiver ought to have the friend carefully consider and explore. Should be easy to overcome, if that is really the root of the problem.


47 posted on 06/24/2013 5:56:05 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

It is a good point but thats not the problem. My wife simple doesn’t have the arm strength to hold a rifle up for very long.

She shoots better than me from a bench.


48 posted on 06/24/2013 6:06:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Charles Martel

Good suggestion on the JP spring.

I’d start with a $5 Twangbuster first, to see if that was satisfactory.


49 posted on 06/24/2013 6:40:07 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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50 posted on 06/24/2013 9:15:10 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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