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If People Vote the Wrong Way, Judges Change It: California's Proposition 8
Enza Ferreri Blog ^ | 30 June 2013 | Enza Ferreri

Posted on 06/29/2013 5:29:02 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri

We have just seen the umpteenth example of "“judicial imperialism”, by which unelected judges through their verdicts supersede laws passed by elected representatives of the people".

Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage in California, was passed in November 2008 after the California state elections in which 52.24% of the electorate voted in its favour.

So, here we are in the presence of legislation approved not by the elected representatives of the people but, more than that, by the people themselves.

Two homosexual couples, Kris Perry and Sandy Stier, and Jeff Katami and Paul Zarrillo, after being denied a marriage licence in California sued to overturn the ban.

Finally, after a lengthy process, Proposition 8 was repealed on 28 June 2013 by court ruling.

The subversion of the popular will by judicial activism is increasing and increasingly worrying, and the so-called "gay rights", a euphemism for the phenomenon of a vociferous and culturally powerful minority taking a morally confused, scared majority - scared of being called "bigot, homophobic" - hostage and imposing its will on the rest of the population, is one of the stages where judicial overreach is played most often, not just in America.

George W Bush, who in comparison to Obama is a first-class statesman whom now Americans have started missing, said about same-sex marriage:

Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.
Professor of Law and blogger Stephen Bainbridge writes:
The founders of our republic set up a carefully nuanced set of checks and balances, but the last couple of generations of Americans have allowed nine unelected old men and women to seize control of a vast array of deeply contentionous social and cultural issues of national import knowing that they are immune from being held accountable for their decisions. Our judges now use the law to impose elite opinion about how society should be ordered regardless of the democratic will. We have become courtroom spectators rather than participants in the democratic process. It is as the famed First Things symposium put it, The End of Democracy.
Telegraph columnist Gerald Warner maintains in his post about California's Proposition 8:
The lobby for same-sex marriage may have made a serious error of judgement in choosing to make this particular law in this particular state a test case. It is a mistake because, in this instance, they are not trying to reverse some local statute of years’ standing, but to negate the majority will of their fellow citizens, recently expressed at the ballot box. It puts the ultra-liberal lobby squarely in confrontation with the defining act of the democratic process: the secret ballot of a universal suffrage electorate.

It also seeks to subvert states’ rights, the issue on which the American Civil War was fought and which is increasingly coming back into focus, as the culture of the liberal east coast relentlessly attempts to override the core values of the more conservative states. Obama’s healthcare legislation is another issue that has lately reinvigorated that antagonism. Modern history and politics are full of startling examples of old fault lines suddenly reopening: who, 50 years ago, would have forecast, for example, that Yugoslavia would fragment so violently? America’s so-called “culture wars” reflect internal tensions and divisions against which the fabric of federal unity may not be indefinitely immune.

Yet the increasing marginalisation of voters’ powers goes far beyond the United States. A referendum result such as Proposition 8, if voted through in Europe, would simply have been negated by the EU, forcing the offending electorate to think again. The major political phenomenon of our times is the increasingly debilitated condition of democracy.

It is interesting to see how the socio-communists, who pretend to be for democracy and freedom, can suddenly reveal their true, historical colours of totalitarianism, whether achieved by revolutionary or, as in this case, judiciary means.

A commenter to the above Gerald Warner post summed it up nicely: "When the lib'rel/progressives don't get what they want, they go to the bench to get things their way".

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TOPICS: Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: california; homosexuality; margaretmarshall; marriage; proposition8; romney; romneyagenda; romneyvsclerks

1 posted on 06/29/2013 5:29:02 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri
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To: Enza Ferreri

Governing by judicial fiat.


2 posted on 06/29/2013 5:31:46 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: 23 Everest

And the bride worn, a “T” shirt and cargo shorts! Nice tat’s.


3 posted on 06/29/2013 5:33:50 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Enza Ferreri

What is the difference between the SCOTUS and the old USSR’s Politburo? SCOTUS wears robes when they issue their edicts.


4 posted on 06/29/2013 5:35:21 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: 23 Everest

worn=wore


5 posted on 06/29/2013 5:35:22 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Enza Ferreri

“Will of the People” superseded by “Whim of a Judge.”


6 posted on 06/29/2013 5:36:26 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Enza Ferreri

revolution is coming.


7 posted on 06/29/2013 5:38:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

We need a constitutional amendment if CA granting every citizen standing to enforce the legislation whether it comes out of the legislature or by the ballot.
We don’t have a Gov and Attorney General elected to not defend our and uphold our laws.


8 posted on 06/29/2013 5:46:17 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Enza Ferreri

The chickens are coming home to roost. When you get control of the minds of K-12, you control the culture, when you control the culture, you get leaders, judges, editors, and liberal legislators and governors who won’t even bother to enforce the laws they have sworn to uphold. In short, we get lawlessness. Yes, whoever controls the schools and colleges, wins.


9 posted on 06/29/2013 5:49:47 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 23 Everest

Yes. We are so very fortunate to have wonderfully wise men in black negligies to overrule our stupid regressive votes. Just imagine how screwed up America could be if our votes mattered for anything.


10 posted on 06/29/2013 5:55:14 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Enza Ferreri
Bicameral state legislatures were made moot by Reynolds v. Sims and Baker v. Carr

State citizen propositions were made moot by United States v. Windsor

Of course the general population is sufficiently stupid to continue to support bicameral legislatures and will continue to support citizen initiatives even though they are both just Kabuki theater.

If they're going to make propositions pointless, could they at least get rid of the commercials and junk mail?

11 posted on 06/29/2013 6:20:01 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We are moving toward a royal oligarchy with monarchial overtones.

Nineteenth century England.

The royals, the gentry and the starving masses and servants.


12 posted on 06/29/2013 6:22:02 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Enza Ferreri

Funny how the liberals only like the Constitution when they can somehow use it to screw over the Conservative majority.


13 posted on 06/29/2013 6:25:42 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Chickensoup
"We are moving toward a royal oligarchy"

Oligarchy: It's not just a good idea. It's the law...

Iron Law of Oligarchy

14 posted on 06/29/2013 6:27:35 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Oldexpat

you aren’t going to get it by conventional means. or asking please. none of us are. not anymore.


15 posted on 06/29/2013 6:29:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“revolution is coming.”
____________________________________________

You must have been asleep or missed it....The revolution
has taken place. The Marxist/Leninist now control the new USSA. Sadly, it is going to stick for a number of years.


16 posted on 06/29/2013 6:43:28 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: 23 Everest

“Governing by judicial fiat.”

And granting legitimacy to perverts.


17 posted on 06/29/2013 7:05:19 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Oldexpat
We need a constitutional amendment if CA granting every citizen standing to enforce the legislation whether it comes out of the legislature or by the ballot.

Prior to 1922, there was no "Standing Doctrine" - it was invented by SCOTUS.

Prior to this time, any citizen was allowed to bring an action in federal court when it concerned the legality of a statute within his state's constitution.

18 posted on 06/29/2013 8:34:39 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Oldexpat

Take out your constitution amending tool, and clean it, then take it out to the range and get some practice.

You’re going to need it very soon.


19 posted on 06/29/2013 8:44:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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