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Is Adobe Flash at risk from Malware and rootkits-Firefox

Posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:35 PM PDT by Steven Tyler

Questions to Freepers using Firefox browser. I understood Adobe was open to hacking, malware and rootkits I use a Firefox browser. I have not been updating my Flash plug-in. Now, I cannot view embedded videos without updating Adobe Flash.

Are substitutes available? Are the newer versions of Adobe Flash now secure??


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: adobe; firefox; firefoxadobeflash; internet; malware; tech
Questions to Freepers using Firefox browser. I understood Adobe was open to hacking, malware and rootkits I use a Firefox browser. I have not been updating my Flash plug-in. Now, I cannot view embedded videos without updating Adobe Flash.

Are substitutes available? Are the newer versions of Adobe Flash now secure??

1 posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:35 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Steven Tyler

I think you can still view flash, but you have to click on the cleverly-disguised link where it says something like “click here to view.” but the word “here,” which is the trigger is not highlighted in any way.


2 posted on 07/06/2013 2:23:47 PM PDT by Rio
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To: Steven Tyler
I had some problems with adobe so I deleted it and reloaded but still had problems. I ran Malware bites, Avg 2013 free, Avira, Add Aware, all free form Downloads.com. There was another trojan remover that worked pretty good. They all missed some of the same stuff but finally one would pick up a viurs. I then reloaded adobe and it seems to work again. I try to run a different antiviurs program each day and not two days in a row. It works as good as buying protection.
3 posted on 07/06/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Steven Tyler

You should always run the latest version of Flash as Adobe is constantly plugging security holes. That’s not to say that new versions of Flash are “secure”, but that the newer ones are “less insecure.”


4 posted on 07/06/2013 2:30:24 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Steven Tyler

I’ve been using flash player for years on firefox. I make sure to keep both of them updated so they will be using the latest security. You should also be using the no-script add-on for firefox and a decent virus scanner. I have been very stable and virus free for a long, long time.


5 posted on 07/06/2013 2:36:32 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Steven Tyler

I spent nearly 2 hrs last night with Geek Squad because I had lost my sound (unable to hear anything) and was unable to print anything. They found that malware was the issue, related to a false flash player update I had clicked on a week or so ago.

There has to be a better way. (Yes, I know, had I bought a Apple product, instead of this windows dependent HP Pavilion, I’d be better off.) Screw Apple ! Screw the malware developers ! And may the fleas of a thousand Saudi camels inhabit their Batman underwear.


6 posted on 07/06/2013 2:36:52 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE (Pity Bathouse Barry and his housemate Michelle the Miserable. Prisoners in their Marxist Universe.)
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To: Steven Tyler

Firefox and Adobe Flash have not been playing well together for a while.

I stopped upgrading FF at 15 which would work with old Flash 11.2.202.

FF and Flash had major conflicts. They get them to finally work and they come out with a new upgrade that messes things up.

==

If you update both FF and Flash, they might work, they might not.

Firefox’s rapid release sanity has ruined a good browser. Several good add-ons/extensions are no longer updated because the developers don’t have time to keep up with FF Rapid Release.


7 posted on 07/06/2013 3:07:43 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Steven Tyler

After an Adobe download my Real Player quit recording and I haven’t been able to fix it.


8 posted on 07/06/2013 3:10:57 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

I use flash but with google chrome. FF has become so slow with all the recent updates. IE is impossible. I run norton security suite on everything, ghostery too. Have not had any probliemvs virus-wise on either computer (windows7).


9 posted on 07/06/2013 3:40:50 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116

My whole ‘puter is dreadfully slow. I just assume it’s the “an essay” slowing things down.


10 posted on 07/06/2013 4:00:16 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Steven Tyler

Firefox and the newer versions of Adobe are incompatible. Any webpage where Adobe is present will crash my computer if I am using Firefox as a browser. Since a lot of webpages now automatically start running advertising videos that use Adobe when you open, this has been pretty much fatal to my continued use of Firefox. This has been going on for a couple of months. I complained to FF, and I know many others have as well (just Google “Firefox & Adobe plugin crash” and you will get hundreds of hits). None of Firefox’s proposed “fixes” have worked on my computer. Nothing I have done with my computer will fix the Adobe problem so I switched to Google Chrome, which doesn’t seem to have the problem.


11 posted on 07/06/2013 4:23:44 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Steven Tyler
For 64-bit Windows 7 - Waterfox - The fastest 64-bit variant of Firefox on the web

http://www.waterfoxproject.org/

12 posted on 07/06/2013 4:31:30 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Steven Tyler

Adobe products - all of them, reader, photoshop, flash... are inherently vulnerable and not secure. Not only that, they are resource hogs on any system. Earlier this year, we began sending attachments to DOD and EAS systems only using TIFs, as PDFs are far to vulnerable.


13 posted on 07/06/2013 5:08:53 PM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: Sparticus
You should always run the latest version of Flash as Adobe is constantly plugging security holes. That’s not to say that new versions of Flash are “secure”, but that the newer ones are “less insecure.”

OK, fine. But when I go to the Adobe site and try to download the latest release of Flash, after it begins to load, it informs me that it's loading the Google toolbar and Google chrome. I do not want either of these things!

Incredibly obnoxious.

14 posted on 07/06/2013 6:15:09 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steven Tyler

YOU MUST SET YOUR SECURITY SETTINGS FOR FLASH!

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html
It’s over on the left. Set them to the most secure.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 6:27:46 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: TomGuy

agree re FF

I liked FF but it wasn’t long after starting to use it that I had a plethora of problems - seems FF doens’ play well with others...

I finally scrapped it - and have had no problems for months -

I use ixqick as my main bowser (does not report your ISP to anyone) and free versions of AVG and SuperAnti Spyware - both do a great job...AVG is really on top of it in grabbing a virus in real time -


16 posted on 07/06/2013 6:35:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Steely Tom
it informs me that it's loading the Google toolbar and Google chrome. I do not want either of these things!

I believe - just before you hit 'download' there's a couple lines with option boxes at the bottom - you have to be diligent in catching this and UNchecking the boxes -

I will have nothing to do with Chrome or a Google toolbar, thank you

17 posted on 07/06/2013 6:41:11 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7
I believe - just before you hit 'download' there's a couple lines with option boxes at the bottom - you have to be diligent in catching this and UNchecking the boxes -

I will have nothing to do with Chrome or a Google toolbar, thank you

Yes, exactly.

Not only do you have to be very observant to catch the radio buttons that let you decline Chrome and Google toolbar, you also have to decline to let Adobe automatically update your Flash player.

If you don't you will encounter another hard-to-spot "opportunity to decline" the installation of Chrome and Google toolbar that will pop up on you at Adobe's convenience. That very possibly will come when you are deep into some work-related activity on your computer, at a time that you very possibly will not want to be interrupted.

If you just quickly agree to everything to get the damn interruption off your screen... you will get your dose of "Chrome" and "Google toolbar."

18 posted on 07/06/2013 7:06:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steven Tyler

If you update Flash, do it directly from Adobes site ( or if you have Chrome have it update automatically ). Never update it if you are on a site that has a Flash video and it says you need to update your Flash, so “click here”. That could potentially be a virus.


19 posted on 07/06/2013 8:37:55 PM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: Steely Tom
If you just quickly agree to everything to get the damn interruption off your screen... you will get your dose of "Chrome" and "Google toolbar."

Exactly - I 'got' a dose of that once - Chrome took over my desktop, changed and locked up all my icons and otherwise roamed around my PC causing havoc. Had a hellva time getting rid of it... Once burned...

20 posted on 07/06/2013 10:20:24 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Steven Tyler
I understood Adobe was open to hacking, malware and rootkits

Yes. For example, see:

https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA13-043A

I have not been updating my Flash plug-in.

Probably a bad idea. It is probably safest to always install the latest version.

Are the newer versions of Adobe Flash now secure??

Almost certainly not, but they should be more secure than the older versions.

Are substitutes available?

There are some interesting substitutes starting to appear, but AFAIK there is nothing yet that you can use as a fully-functional Flash replacement.

https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash

Both Java and Flash seem to be prone to security problems. They are both also extremely useful programs. If you want to block active content in Firefox, you can use NoScript ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/noscript/ ), but you may not be happy with the reduced functionality of your Internet browsing.

21 posted on 07/06/2013 10:25:44 PM PDT by TChad
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Oh, a tech thread - I need someone who knows more than me. (Most freepers).

I use Firefox, and just this afternoon when I turned my computer on, when I hit the Firefox button up came this:

http://www.msn.com/?pc=UP97&ocid=UP97DHP&dt=070513

Not Firefox start page. Any time I hit my Firefox button, that pops up.

So to get out of the msn.com page (I NEVER go there, ever), I hit the small Firefox button on the top that says “Getting started” and go from there.

As you can see, I am a tech idiot.


22 posted on 07/06/2013 10:50:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
If you don't see File Edit View History etc at the top of your FF window, enable the Menu toolbar by right clicking in a gray area near the top of the FF window until you see "Menu Bar" displayed. Left click that, to enable the menu toolbar.

In the menu toolbar, click Help > About Firefox

If you are not running FF 22, you should probably update, though that may break some of your add-ons.

Then click Tools > Options

Select "When Firefox Starts Show My Home Page"

In the box after "Home Page," delete the msn.com URL and add the URL of the search engine you want to use. If you want Google, just enter

http://www.google.com

If you want Google searches without Google privacy problems, enter Startpage:

https://www.startpage.com

Or enter whatever home page you want.

23 posted on 07/06/2013 11:13:41 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Steven Tyler

Been using it on Firefox for years w/no problem. Of course, I don’t go hunting a bunch of videos from a lot of sources to view - I generally keep safe surfing in mind whenever on the web. Keep it updated for the best shot at security and minimize the stuff you view to “safe” sources. AVG Search bar helps keep you safe too.


24 posted on 07/07/2013 4:23:14 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TChad

Thank you very much. I do have the “File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help” at the top, even when the stupid msn thing appears - and the Firefox orange circle is up there in the very L corner too. I have no idea why/how the msn thing appeared in the first place!

I will do all you suggested and see what happens, thanks.


25 posted on 07/07/2013 7:23:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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