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An open letter to Sen. Ted Cruz: 'Twenty week' abortion bill is immoral and unconstitutional
Equal Protection for Posterity ^ | July 11, 2013 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 07/11/2013 6:27:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: Kansas58

Well, brace yourself. Because us “purists” have barely gotten started.

Your way is a proven failure, morally, constitutionally and legally.


41 posted on 07/11/2013 7:36:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are making the perfect the enemy of the good. As long as Roe is hanging over state legislatures, they can only pass restrictions such as this.


42 posted on 07/11/2013 7:38:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: EternalVigilance

A sidewalk counselor sees three pregnant women walking towards the abortion facility doors. Which one does she talk to?
Is it “immoral” if she does not attempt to talk to all three at the same time?


43 posted on 07/11/2013 7:38:24 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: kevkrom
There are two ways to fix that.

Actually, there is another way, one that will actually be morally sound, and is sure to work:

Demand that our elected officials keep the first obligation of their oath, which is to provide equal protection for the supreme right of every person in this country.

44 posted on 07/11/2013 7:38:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

I would rather that there be 50 state laws rather than one national law regarding abortion. To that end, I disagree with Sen. Cruz here. Once Federal laws are passed, they have a tendency to be cemented in stone and part of the tragedy of Roe v Wade was that nine justices usurped the will of the states.

But it should be noted that even Roe v Wade recognized a difference between early-term abortion and late-term abortion saying they might approve restrictions on late-term abortions and that is what these current bills are all about.

I would, however, approve of federal legislation that forces abortion providers to be held to the same standards of any facility that does invasive surgery. For way too long, these “clinics” have received a free ride to perform abortions in filthy and unhealthy surroundings without the sort of standards for cleanliness and equipment sterility that one would expect for this type of surgery.

By not codifying federal law on when an abortion can be performed or denied, I think it makes it easier for Roe v. Wade to be eventually overturned and returned to the states which is the ultimate goal. Like Obamacare, the more you amend it, the harder it becomes to scrap the whole thing.


45 posted on 07/11/2013 7:38:46 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Your way is a proven failure, morally, constitutionally and legally.

In your world where you pretend Roe doesn't exist.

46 posted on 07/11/2013 7:39:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
As long as Roe is hanging over state legislatures, they can only pass restrictions such as this.

Tell the courts to go to hell. If they issue opinions that are obviously contrary to the Constitution, their decisions are null and void.

47 posted on 07/11/2013 7:39:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: al_c

Why are folks on our side so damndumb?

We refuse to take ANY steps in the direction of our goal because we can’t get there in one step?


48 posted on 07/11/2013 7:39:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: kevkrom

Remember: If you’re ever in a burning building with 3 kids, but can only reach 2 of them, leave ‘em all behind.

/sarc


49 posted on 07/11/2013 7:40:00 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why do we have:

1st Degree Murder
2nd Degree Murder
Manslaughter

All the victims were equally human.

You fail at logic, you fail at history, you fail at strategy.

50 posted on 07/11/2013 7:40:23 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: EternalVigilance

Incrementalism is how the left has gotten us where we are.
Proven failure? Hardly.


51 posted on 07/11/2013 7:40:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dirtboy
In your world where you pretend Roe doesn't exist.

It doesn't, because I'm not a judicial supremacist. Our elected officials swear to support and defend the Constitution, not the immoral, arbitrary, unconstitutional opinions of some other officer of government.

52 posted on 07/11/2013 7:41:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: MrB

Incrementalism works for evil. But you can’t do good that way. You either do right, or you don’t.


53 posted on 07/11/2013 7:41:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: Kansas58

Premeditated murder is premeditated murder, no matter how much you would like to cloud the issue.


54 posted on 07/11/2013 7:42:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wrong!
It was stupid purists like you that made abortion a big business.

I have seen your types on the same side as Abortionist George Tiller, frequently.

Wichita was the abortion capital of the United States because of idiot purists like YOU. New York and California had stricter abortion laws than Kansas, until the “purists” were outed as ALLIES of the abortion industry, in actual effect.

YOU PROMOTE 3RD TRIMESTER ABORTION!

That is the practical effect of your position.

YOU are on the SAME SIDE as NARAL!


55 posted on 07/11/2013 7:43:43 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: workerbee
Remember: If you’re ever in a burning building with 3 kids, but can only reach 2 of them, leave ‘em all behind. /sarc

The Texas Legislature was in a burning building, and they made a law that allows all the victims to burn up.

56 posted on 07/11/2013 7:44:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance
It doesn't, because I'm not a judicial supremacist.

Which means you decide to exist in your own universe. Good luck being useful in this one.

57 posted on 07/11/2013 7:44:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kansas58

Simply untrue. There are three groups of people here: the PP/NARAL crowd who want every baby to be killed, every time. Your crowd, which says every baby can be killed, as long as they’re killed on your schedule. And us, who demand that the Constitution’s explicit demand for equal protection for every person be obeyed.


58 posted on 07/11/2013 7:45:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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The flak will have to explode without me for a few hours. I have to go drive to a radio interview.

I’ll let Thomas Jefferson hold down the fort...

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”


59 posted on 07/11/2013 7:48:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (America's Party - 'We're partisans only for principle.' www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance
So do most people on this thread arguing with you. Most of us are reasonable enough that the legal rationalization of the law is irrelevant to the action of the law, which limits abortion. Democrats have been successful in their agenda for more than a hundred years with incremental legislation that is never logically support with rationalization.

Take gun control laws. Every gun control law is unconstitutional. Every gun control law ever passed was rationalized by calling it a "public safety" measure yet the public is never safer by these measure, in fact quite the opposite is true. How do you think we are going to change it back? Would you not support a law repealing some section of gun control simply because the rational was that it ceased to provide any public safety measure and not because it was blatantly unconstitutional?

It's time to take the fight to the people that have destroyed our nation, and at this time, the best way to do that is to use the same tools and strategies that they have used so effectively against us.

60 posted on 07/11/2013 7:49:38 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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