Posted on 07/21/2013 9:13:25 AM PDT by GilGil
Martin is still being called a “child” by race baiting politicians. We have 17 year-old paratroopers. In Iraq, Afghanistan, and most other wars, many of the fighters are closer to 14, often younger. In wars past, countless US military people joined at 14.
Willie Johnson got the Medal of Honor at 13.
David Hackworth was 15 and already deployed overseas.
As a writer, I have been with plenty of 18 year-old Soldiers in combat and they were not boys or “teenagers.” They were men and expected to act like men. They were expected to be courageous, shoot straight and hit their targets.
Mr. Martin was 17, and while he may have been a child to the angel-makers, 17 year-old men in uniform would never accept that Mr. Martin was a child.
Rest assured that 17 year-old troops are not treated like children or minors because they are not.
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I’ve seen anti-gun studies refer to 24 year old gang members as “youths” when discussing gun deaths, and conflating the numbers with the deaths of actual children.
When I was a cop in DC, a 16 year old thug pulled a sawed off shotgun out of his coat, pointed it at my partner, and pulled the trigger.
We heard a “click” as the shotgun failed to fire. He ran, and we caught him and recovered the shotgun. When the Firearms Examiner test fired it the next morning, it fired.
All this talk of Trayvon the “child” makes me sick.
The reality is that no one is interested in this Trayvon protest thing. Just the media and a few hundred fruitcakes.
“The Trayvon Martin Foundation” has him in a green hoodie...how appropo for the Reverends AND his Mama...wonder how much money she’s made off of his ‘Traydemark’??
Essentially, the Zimmerman/Trayvon case is a clear sign that Obama is losing on every front and all he has left is stirring it up in the crowds. He does not know how to do anything else. His economy is a disaster. His Arab Spring is armageddon. Obamacare is DOA. Detroit is a symbol of his incompetence and stupidity and all he has left is to create race riots to hide the truth.
Yes, he was a minor child in fact.
And as such, his parents are accountable for his criminal actions.
Hm...protesting leftist fruitcakes.
Redundant, I know.
´Justice for Trayvon´ Protests Draw Small Crowds; Nation Moves On
Seems I remember various quotes about how those “in authority” prefer young males to lead. Once trained, they become utterly loyal, will follow orders without question, and march into clear danger on command. Seems they have turned children into unfeeling machines, programmed to only serve those in authority. This theme has echoed throughout history...
When my “child” was 17 he was training with an M-16 at Army Basic Training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina. When he was 18 the “child” was in Iraq as a combat medic.
Plus those making a good living from protest signs and t-shirts.
Interestingly, during the Second World War, the Nazis had a campaign aimed at kids to betray their parents who might be opposing the Nazis. This is the same thing. Martin is a programmed thug-symbol used to lead all the programmed thugs to betray their own common sense and become slaves of the Nazi-like Obama Reich.
Watching the closing arguments was interesting. The 1st prosecutor kept referring to Martin as a young man or teenager. Yet the next day after the defense’s closing argument the 2nd prosecutor made sure to keep referring to Martin as a child, apparently not at all happy that the 1st prosecutor was “keeping it real.”
Ironically though the defense placed cutouts of both Martin and Zimmerman during their close which showed the supposed child a good 3 inches taller than Zimmerman. I say ironically because a Freeper mentioned that the cutouts were still visible while the 2nd prosecutor was busy “unmanning” Martin, providing a strange juxtaposition to what the jury was hearing.
Lastly, does anyone think Trayvon Martin referred to himself as a child or would have appreciated it if someone called him that? Does anyone think that the 2nd prosecutor, or anyone else calling him a child, would go up to some random 17 year old male and call him that? We can all imagine the kinds of responses that might elicit.
I saw a History Channel presentation of Pre-WWII Germany documenting Hitlers rise to power. The Hitler Youth movement was an amazing brainwashing of the youth, to the point that (you're right) they'd turn their parents into the Gestapo if they saw them not supporting "the movement". Seems there was a quote by some commie about if they could control and turn a generation, they could overthrow a country.
Seems they were right...
If someone had approached Trayvon martin and said, “Listen, child, . . . “ what do you suppose would have happened?
That does not matter.
Legally he was a minor, and legally his parents can be held accountable for his criminal behavior.
And they damn well should be held accountable.
One of the flaws in the strategy of the left as it relates to this case is that anger is a fleeting emotion.
It is difficult to sustain and tends to fade quickly.
No normal person wants to walk around on a daily basis carrying the heavy burden of anger.
The little ‘baby’ Martin was also a punk wannabe ‘gangstah’ and a drug addict.
One thing’s for sure, the race-baiters couldn’t care less about the truth.
* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals
Not really. Under US law "children" 12 and older are considered culpable for their own actions. Trayvon Martin was *5 years* beyond that point.
The age at which children are considered responsible for their society-bound actions (e. g. marriage, voting, etc.) has also changed over time, and this is reflected in the way they are treated in courts of law. In Roman times, children were regarded as not culpable for crimes, a position later adopted by the Church. In the 19th century, children younger than seven years old were believed incapable of crime. Children from the age of seven forward were considered responsible for their actions. Therefore, they could face criminal charges, be sent to adult prison, and be punished like adults by whipping, branding or hanging.[9] Today, in many countries like Canada and the United States, children twelve and older are held responsible for their actions and may be sent to special correctional institutions, such as juvenile hall. (Wikipedia)
Lenin: "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uproot."
Ah very interested, Sarge!
They are failing to follow their own rules here, and as a result they are unable to achieve success.
This is becoming a fascinating study.
I also refer to this one:
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
The appalling thing is they actually enjoy race-baiting and "hating Whitey". It's not just a means to an end, it's a blood sport.
If there are laws in Florida that hold parents accountable for actions of juvenile delinquents, then they should be employed in this case.
"FREEDOM"...Americans fought for it, ..."and died for it,
and nobody is going to take it away from us." ....
ex film "42 The Jackie Robinson Story".
It seems that they like hating whitey so much that they will hate whitey when whitey was not even involved.
It would seem that they cannot sustain anger in this matter because those factors which stoked any anger were entirely manufactured, and everyone knows it.
Their anger and rage against their perceived oppressors (the white devils) has been engrained for generations. It merely needs stoking to explode.
Think of a potato in a microwave. Apply the power, and in a few moments, the potato explodes. Much the same effect with them.
If? Well, are there? If so, do they trump federal/other state law as regards serious crimes? What extent of criminal behavior do they cover? Do those laws also exculpate the delinquent from his/her own actions, or are they merely an added-on punishment for the parents as well?
Questions, questions...
Don’t know. That will be up to O’Mara to determine.
Thanks for the source, G.
Am I correct in reading that Fla. law limits parental liability to (1) driver’s license and (2) vandalism (theft/property damage) cases?
Chris - it looks like the parents are not liable for violent crimes. And even if so, given the residual ambiguity of the case, I don’t see how TM’s parents would be held liable for anything.
The jury has ruled, case over. Let it go. (At least as far as GZ and TM are concerned - prosecutarial malfeasance may be a whole other case of worms.)
Well I don’t mean that they should be given prison time. I meant that Zimmerman should be able to sue them for the damage they have caused to his life.
I do not believe that the Martin’s should be allowed to profit from the death of their son, which can in part be blamed upon their lousy parenting.
They have damaged Zimmerman greatly, and they should participate in making him whole again, along with many others, such as NBC and ABC.
Also it does look like they could be held financially accountable for theft, and if Martin was indeed a thief, they should be.
However, it does seem that Martin’s burglary activities have been swept under the rug.
As far as letting it go goes, I will let it go when they let it go. As it stands right now, they are involved in efforts to attack my rights to stand my ground, so they are making themselves my enemy.
And if I were Zimmerman, I would never let it go. His life is destroyed.
Actually a nice settlement from a defamation suit against NBC say for 100 million would go a long way towards setting up an income for Zimmerman for lief. His life has been so destroyed that they owe him a new financial life.
I agree with that, but I also believe that everyone who is accountable should be held accountable, and I believe that the Martins have attempted to destroy this man’s life despite knowing that their son was a parasite.
George may forgive them, but if it were me, I would not.
Just because you forgive someone, it does not mean it is business as usual. You forgive not for the other person’s sake, but for your own. Forgiving basically means absence of resentment. It does not mean you let people walk all over you.
I do understand that, and I do not think that I would forgive the Martins.
I’ve got to be honest here and say that even though they did not do anything to me personally, I still resent the Hell out of them.
I do not think Zimmerman views the world the same way I do, and that is fine, but just from my own perspective, I cannot stand them.
RESENTMENT IS AN ADMISSION OF DEFEAT. IF YOU WANT TO WIN THIS WAR RESENTMENT HAS TO GO FIRST.
Resentment is an admission of resentment.
If you resent someone eventually you give into them.
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