Posted on 08/12/2013 2:49:54 PM PDT by KeyLargo
Why is the Obama Administration buying Russian 7.62×39 ammo among others not used in US forces weapons?
By Fred Brownbill on July 27, 2013 in Constitution Legal Watch
Save America Foundation campaign to save the 2nd amendment
Writer: Kit Daniels
The U.S. Army is now looking to stockpile nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Soviet-era Russian ammo popular with civilian shooters.
A U.S. Army solicitation posted July 18 on the Federal Business Opportunities web site asks for “non-standard” ammunition from vendors which includes:
- 2,550,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm ball ammo - 575,000 blank rounds of 7.62x39mm ammo and - 425,000 rounds of 9x18mm Makarov ball ammo
The army intends to store all these rounds in ammo storage facilities at both Camp Stanley in Boerne, Texas and the Blue Grass Army Depot in Kentucky.
As the solicitation implies, the 7.62x39mm and the 9x18mm Makarov are not standard-issue in the U.S. military or NATO.
Rather they are calibers developed by the former Soviet Union which are now commonly used by civilian shooters in the United States.
The 7.62x39mm in particular is extremely popular with private gun owners due to the wide availability and affordability of both military surplus ammo and firearms chambered for this round, such as the AK-47 and the SKS.
Handguns chambered for the 9x18mm Makarov, such as the FEG PA-63, are common, inexpensive imports.
The desired list of calibers attached to a previous, related acquisition request also included oddball rounds such as the .303 British and the 7.62×25mm Tokarev.
In addition to this solicitation for nearly 3,000,000 live rounds of Russian calibers popular with the public, the army made a similar request last year for a long-term weapon supplier who can ship both foreign non-standard and obsolete U.S. military weapons anywhere in the world.
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So many trillions that need to be spent ASAP! So few things to spend them on!
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Is 7.62x39 with the steel case good to shoot through an AK47 or an SKS? I have read warnings about shooting steel 5.56 rounds through an AR but not through the Soviet Bloc guns.
They’re buying .303 British? Crap. I’ve just joined a gun club here in the UK and apparently ammo has been going up in price because of the surge in demand in the US from the government and civilians. Lee-Enfields are still a popular choice with full-bore rifle enthusiasts over here, why do they need to hoover up all the .303?
Apparently, the only thing to do is for every good American to drain their 401(k)’s and savings and buy up all the ammo FIRST.
Okay, don’t go that far. But come on, make a dent!
Sure, I suppose it could be an arms deal of some sort. The only other thing I could think of is if they were using enemy weapons as part of some training exercise, hence the blanks.
That’s the problem with these articles. They pick out something that is unusual, then ask “Why is the government doing this?” The answer to “why?” is probably on the government form somewhere, in triplicate, but it doesn’t serve the author’s purpose to detail that information for us. They want us to get hysterical so we will forward the article to everyone we know and he gets more clicks on his website.
So when they start using it to kill Americans they can blame on haji and his muslime friends.
So many trillions that need to be spent ASAP! So few things to spend them on!
Remember... Sequester, Sequester, Sequester, make the American taxpayer feel the pain. Spend American tax dollars anywhere and on anyone other than Americans.
This is not stuff Russians use anymore since the 70s but ammo of the Afghan type irregulars. 303 is popular in those parts. What do they have planned with this?
President Obama sending guns and ammo to Syrian rebels
Published: June 14, 2013
Charlie Spiering
President Obama has decided to provide Syrian rebels with small arms and ammunition, according to the New York Times.
The White House announced Obama’s intentions to intervene in the Syrian conflict Thursday evening.
The report indicates that Obama is not yet prepared to provide rebels with the the heavy anti-aircraft weapons that they have requested, but may provide anti-tank weapons.
Except for O arming and funding all the IslamoFascist terroristas around the world....
maybe he’s buying up all the ammo to give it away for “free” to all the NRA and Tea Party chapters around the USA
you know, like ObamaPhones
?
/s
Yep, that stuff is good for Soviet block stuff, but is very corrosive and a bit inconsistent in burn, with sparks and a lot of smoke sometimes. Bear ammo is better than Tula or wolf garbage, though.
Lots of .303 rifles floating around A-stan, and the 7.62x39 is ubiquitous...the everyman of rifle cartridges. It’s a shame that 7.62x25 is an oddball; talk about a flat shooting round.
The government “needs” to supply the Syrians and to make that caliber less available to Americans, two birds here, and a single rock.
This really goes without saying, but 'yes'. Certainly. Almost all 7.62x39 ammo you will ever find will be steel cased.
Brass case 7.62x39 is extraordinarily unusual. I have some ammo like this, mostly as a collector's item, and I wouldn't use it in an AKM type rifle -- especially not mixed in with ComBloc style lacquered steel case ammo -- because of several known dangers in doing so.
Anyone who has brass case 7.62x39 ammunition should limit it to either bolt-action rifles OR rifles of any action type that haven't had lots of lacquered steel case ammunition run through them, at least without diligent chamber/bore cleaning first.
A couple of days ago, this semi stopped in front of my house and the driver checked his tires. A few seconds later a second one stopped behind him. They are full of pine stumps. Does anyone know what they are used for?
I have purchased Russian 9mm rounds in the past. Russian ammo regularly sold in the US. Cheaper than Remington rounds, but I don’t use it for “home defense”, just plinking. Interesting thing is that the rounds are not polished brass, but Russian Army Green.
As to why is the US buying all that nonstandard issue ammo? I would assume it is to supply arms & ammo to people it should not be supply to, like maybe ammo for all that “walked” firearms given to Mexican drug cartels, or the terrorists in Syria, or emergency supplies to Egypt.
" ... looking to stockpile ... The army intends to store ... As the solicitation implies, ... "
Nothing's been done ... which isn't to say nothing WILL be done ... just that, nothing's been done yet.
2X4X8 ... my guess
A hint. It has something to do with ammo.
Ohhh... can I do it?
Huh? Huh? Can I?
It's "Rogue"!
IIRC there is a market for pine stumps something along the lines of its fatwood content.
My experience there is about 20 years old tho -
My top guesses.
Obamatollah/McCain shipping this ammo to.....
#1 Al Qaeda (Syria/Egypt)
#2 Al Qaeda (areas where we just closed embassies and pulled out)
#3 Mexican Drug Cartels (Fast+Furious running low on bullets)
#4 Russian forces (invited to provide “security” inside CONUS)
#5 Chinese Restaurants (to shoot dogs for dinner)
My top guesses.
Obamatollah/McCain shipping this ammo to.....
#1 Al Qaeda (Syria/Egypt)
#2 Al Qaeda (areas where we just closed embassies and pulled out)
#3 Mexican Drug Cartels (Fast+Furious running low on bullets)
#4 Russian forces (invited to provide “security” inside CONUS)
#5 Chinese Restaurants (to shoot dogs for dinner)
pulp wood??
Not pulpwood tho I see probably a few dozen pulpwood trucks a day.
Thanks for the info. I was at Fleet Farm today and they had a lot of 7.62x39. I haven’t shot an AK or an SKS and didn’t know if all of the shells were steel cased.
In the US south, pine is grown for lumber and paper uses. The stumps are very high in pitch and resins making the wood cellulose part of them low quality for the lumber and paper.
The stumps are pulled from the ground then rendered down for their extracts (turpine, aromatics, spirit gums, etc). A company called Ashland Hercules has such a plant in Brunswick GA, for example
WHEREAS the Federal Government has stockpiled ammunition far in excess of its current needs;
WHEREAS this stockpiling was for the express purpose of driving up civilian prices and severely reducing supply;
NOW THEREFORE, I, President Palin, do hereby direct all departments within the Executive Branch to identify excess inventory and transfer it forthwith to the CMP program to be offered at 25% below cost to the general public.
Yes, they are used for that plus explosives and gun powder.
I have an Arisaka. Good luck finding that ammo.
Likely not. Nitrocellulose is most often made from cotton seed "lint" and high quality wood pulp. Southern pine not the quality cellulose for smokeless powders nor propellants (e.g.rockets/air bag charges). I used to be in the biz so I have some expertise there.
“Why is the Obama Administration buying Russian 7.62×39 ammo among others not used in US forces weapons?”
To send it to the Syrian rebels who use AK 47’s.
My father said the Enfield was the fastest bolt action of the war. Always wanted to get one. As I recall, there was something about the cartridge shape that made it easier to extract if it split open in the bore. This also was supposed to made it a bitch to reload, consequently making the .303 so expensive.
Yes. It’s the standard ammo for those guns.
No. Stumps for pulpwood is a no no. They like plantation pine. Softer longer cellulose fibers. Stumps are hard , have hard sap and the cellulose fibers are low quality. No yield.
The guy talking about ‘fatwood’ was probably right.
To kill our kids with.
And what wil anyone here at FR do about it?
I know very little about how the process works but am certain that pine stumps are or at least have been used to make smokeless powder and explosives.
A million rounds is not a huge amount of ammo, in Army terms.
I know that Special Forces familiarize themselves with foreign weapons, in case that’s all that’s available. A million rounds would translate into 500 rounds for two thousand troops, enough to get them proficient with shooting the AK.
Freepers are not fools. What we ARE doing about it will not be written on this thread for you or anyone from fedzilla to read.
Leave my 5.45x39 alone.
FORT POLK, La. -- Nineteen Soldiers assigned to the 162nd Infantry Brigade recently had a foreign experience with weapons when they undertook a training mission at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland.The Soldiers, who will conduct training for combat advisors deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, underwent a 40-hour, week-long course in foreign weapons. The training, conducted by the 203rd Military Intelligence Battalion, consisted of three days of weapons familiarization of sub-machine guns, machine guns, rifles, pistols and the rocket-propelled grenade.
"We went over the history, characteristics, specifications, clearing, disassembly, reassembly and functions check of each weapon," said Master Sgt. John Patterson, 162nd Inf Bde assistant operations sergeant. "The fourth day was spent at the range where we shot the SKS, AK-47, RPK, SVD, PKM and the FPK. The last day consisted of a test and course critique."
The Soldiers selected for this training primarily come from the brigade's 1st Battalion, 353rd Infantry Regiment, but included select members of the brigade staff, according to Maj. Mark Olin, 162nd Inf Bde operations officer.
The group included Soldiers and select members of each of the other four training battalions and the brigade staff. They went to Maryland to receive expert instruction and "train the trainer" on a wide range of foreign weapons to provide that training to combat advisors at Fort Polk later in the fall.
Soldiers of the 1-353rd will serve as trainers for combat advisors as they familiarize with weapons currently in use among Iraqi and Afghan security forces.
"The importance of this training is two-fold; first, training host nation security forces is a key aspect of the combat advisor mission, and it's important for the advisors to fully understand the weapon systems to maintain their credibility as trainers; and second, understanding how to pick up and effectively use a foreign weapon system is a vital combat survival skill for teams that will operate largely independently of other U.S. forces," Olin said.
Lee-Enfields are dirt-cheap, at least in the UK. If you are lucky you can get one for as little as £250 apparently. The cartridges are rimmed, so they must be easier to grasp with your fingers. I’ve never fired one unfortunately, but I probably will in the next few weeks when they have cleaned up the local army range which was apparently utterly wrecked when the local regiment was training prior to deployment in Afghanistan. Can’t fire them at our local range because it is only proofed against pistol cartridges. But yeah, the gun is cheap, the ammunition not so much.
Combloc AK, AKM, and SKS were all designed for steel case ammo. Chinese 7.62x39 is copper washed, Russian can be lacquered, polymer coated, brass, or cadmium plated.
As far as steel case ammo in a 5.56x45 NATO rifle, it may or may not work depending on whether you have a commercial steel or chromed G.I.-spec barrel. Commercial barrels have tighter chambers than G.I. -- hence, a possible problem when shooting steel case ammo.
It was designed for them.
If they are high in pitch then they could also be used for cholesterol meds ... Over the counter cholestorol meds use “plant sterols” which generally means extracts from pine sap... I have used those OTC “supplements” and have had GREAT results ,, about a 30% drop in total bad cholesterol.
In east Texas pine stumps are chopped up for fatwood, its so full of resin that it lights with a match and burns like a commercial fire starter. we use them to light all kinda fires down here in the pine woods part of Texas... BBQ pits, fire pits, Chimnayas, They light up charcoal piles like a dream and leave no lighter fluid taste after.
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