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Christianity Gave Birth to Science
Enza Ferreri Blog ^ | 5 August 2013 | Enza Ferreri

Posted on 08/12/2013 5:04:22 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri

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1 posted on 08/12/2013 5:04:22 PM PDT by Enza Ferreri
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To: Enza Ferreri

Bookmarked for later read


2 posted on 08/12/2013 5:06:31 PM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Enza Ferreri
Quote from Churchill's famous polemic against Islam:

"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Wikipedia entry: The River War.
3 posted on 08/12/2013 5:08:37 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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Are you sure cause the Chinese invented everything except for the moslemites who invented everything and everything we have is just the fallout.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 5:15:22 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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This is the oddest article I've read in a long while and I don't understand what you're saying. You can't have science without Christianity? Science didn't exist before Christ?

I don't get your point.

5 posted on 08/12/2013 5:21:13 PM PDT by Jean S
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Science in this case is defined an attempt to discover laws of nature through rational explanations that can build on each other.

Science didn't exist before Christ?
br>Science did not really exist outside of western Europe or prior to Christianity. You can't have science without Christianity?

You need a certain mindset almost exclusive to Christianity. Judaism also has it, but Judaism was a very small religion.
6 posted on 08/12/2013 5:30:36 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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Sorry for poor formatting.


7 posted on 08/12/2013 5:30:59 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: Jean S
The point is that the Christian mindset was the soil in which the seeds of modern science germinated.

I don't have time right now to read the article and evaluate the supporting facts, but modern science did indeed spring from Christian Europe so the point may be valid.

It would be interesting to hold that theory up to the info in a book I am presently reading on the birth of science, The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe by Arthur Koestler

8 posted on 08/12/2013 5:32:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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It’s pretty well established that the ancient greeks invented the scientific method. Now a case could be made that Christianity isn’t anti-science like many other religions, but to claim it gave birth to science is utter drivel.


9 posted on 08/12/2013 5:37:20 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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I don't have time right now to read the article and evaluate the supporting facts, but modern science did indeed spring from Christian Europe so the point may be valid.

Well, the weasel word is "modern." A more accurate description would be to say that Christian Europe, especially Christian northern Europe, was far more encouraging to the mode of thought that led to modern science, a mode which had existed well back into ancient Greece and before. And, more likely than not, it was Christian northern Europe, specifically the theological determinism of Calvin, that led to the deterministic materialism of naturalism.
10 posted on 08/12/2013 5:47:25 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Enza Ferreri

‘Einstein gives birth to gravity’ makes as much sense.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 6:03:58 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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It’s pretty well established that the ancient greeks invented the scientific method.

Actually, they did not. In fact, it wasn't until mathematicians and other thinkers turned away from the influence of Aristotle that the scientific method was developed. Roger Bacon in the thirteenth century and Johannes Kepler 400+ years later took the first steps out of the ancient thinking into the modern world.

The Christian religion did not give birth to science--that would be overstating the case to the point of silliness, but there are characteristics intrinsic to Judeo-Christianity which turned out to be essential to the development of modern science, characteristics that were lacking in other religions, including ancient paganism. Christianity provided the proper soil.

12 posted on 08/12/2013 6:16:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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I don't get your point.

Self promotion.

13 posted on 08/12/2013 6:23:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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the mode of thought that led to modern science, a mode which had existed well back into ancient Greece

Yes and no. Pythagoras was on the right path, but Plato and Aristotle came to dominate to the exclusion of Pythagoras's methods for nearly two thousand years. Until Kepler, scientific knowledge was only built upon a priori assumptions. Kepler took the first baby steps of deducting scientific theories from observed facts.

14 posted on 08/12/2013 6:30:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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This is FUN!

(But I’m supposed to be working. Bye.)


15 posted on 08/12/2013 6:33:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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I am surprised that the name of the late Fr Stanley Jaki did not come up (if it did, I missed it). Fr Jaki was one of the foremost historians of science in the 20th and early 21st century.

Fr Stanley was a Benedictine priest who was born in Hungary. He survived WWII and was able to escape to New Jersey when the commies took over after the war. He earned Ph.D’s in theology and later in physics. His advisor for the physics Ph.D—whose name I can’t remember at the moment—taught at Fordham and went on to share the Nobel Prize in physics. Fr Stanley’s teachers were of the highest caliber.

Fr Jaki himself won the Templeton Prize for advancements in the field of religion, and gave the famed Gifford Lecture Series at the University of Edinburgh in 1975-76. These lectures were published under the title of, “ The Road of Science and the Ways to God.” The book is a challenging read, but indispensable if you are interested in the history of modern science.

An easier introduction to his writings would be through his many essays. The collection, “Numbers Decide and Other Essays” would be good for quant types. My own favorite is a book called, “The Absolute Beneath the Relative.” Also excellent and accessible to the general reader is his autobiography, “A Mind’s Matter.”

Fr Jaki was a lifelong anti communist and used to be published in all the conservative journals such as the old National Review, et al. His thumbnail sketch of the history of modern science is called “The Baby and the Bathwater.” I highly recommend it.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 7:01:12 PM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher: There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Once could argue that Aristotle took things off the rails, but before him people had developed empiricism which really is the method at its heart.

I will certainly concede that the modern scientific method came about after rejecting Aristotle’s errors. That took longer than it should have since he was so well regarded.

As you say, and I agree, Christianity was a religion that at least didn’t get in the way of the development (with hiccups, eg Galileo). Other religions, Islam, Bhuddism, Hinduism have mysticism and anti-scientific thinking at their cores.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 7:03:54 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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It seems overwhelmingly obvious that Christianity made science possible.

Even medical science was broken free from fatalism by the miraculous.

We don’t have to be sick.

Atheists are unable to explain why the universe is ordered or why observed laws remain consistently in effect.

I think this essay understates Christianity as causation.

Even the classic case of Galileo misses why Galileo refused to recant.

Galileo believed that God made the world in an ordered rational manner and so he was willing to defy the church order.

Jesus’ advice in John 8 about the truth setting us free established an intellectual paradigm that allows us to resist the normative practice of propaganda that continues to dominate us today.

Secular scientist ought to be grateful for science.


18 posted on 08/12/2013 7:35:41 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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Christianity was a religion that at least didn’t get in the way of the development (with hiccups, eg Galileo).

The Christian perspective encouraged the biblical tradition of testing the validity of information in the belief that the furtherance of knowledge would increase our understanding of Scripture.

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Other religions, Islam, Bhuddism, Hinduism have mysticism and anti-scientific thinking at their cores.

In addition, the Greek concept of the divinity of nature was an impediment for them.

19 posted on 08/12/2013 7:47:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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Nicely put.


20 posted on 08/12/2013 8:13:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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