Skip to comments.Greenfield" Hiroshima's Lessons for the War on Terror
Posted on 08/13/2013 5:35:00 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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Greenfield opens some nasty wounds, not the least of which are cowardice and lack of moral fibre.
We have to get the children out of the living room.
Well, his ideas are correct, his central fact is wrong.
The bombs didn’t end the war, a tape recorder did.
> The bombs didnt end the war, a tape recorder did.
The Left repeatedly pushed the meme that it took Booosh longer to win the war in Iraq than it took to win WWII. Except we entered WWII while it was already under way for several years and finished it off with two major nuclear strikes.
The same double standard they used when they proclaimed that at least Saddam Hussein kept acts of terrorism down in Iraq (by raping and disembowling prisoners’ wives, cutting off their hands, etc.). Generally behaving as a tyrannical dictator against everyone, not just terrorists, but critics and innocents.
Your comment deserves elaboration. Please elucidate.
Unless we are willing to set up a Marshal Law scenario like MacArthur did, the Middle East will always be a snake den in need of extermination.
On Sept 12, 2001, a single ICBM should have struck Mecca, hitting with all 8 warheads and reducing it to nothing. Then Afghanistan should have been saturated from one end to the other with nerve gas, Kabul nuked, and every structure in every village hit with World War II scale conventional bombing. Not so much as a goat left. Then the nuking of Baghdad, Tehran, and other strongholds of the enemy afterward. This could have been done in two weeks, followed by the announcement that the US will not tolerate assaults on its own soil.
The senior commanders said they couldn't go against the emperor, so they would have to commit suicide to get out of the younger commanders way. That night they had a large gathering to ‘celebrate’ the death of the senior commanders. Too much was drunk and things didn't end till morning. They rushed to the Emperor's palace and surrounded - no radio address today.
What they didn't know was that it had previously been decided that the Emperor might not be able to get through reading such a document. It was decided to record the message and play it back over the radio (I don't know if the device was actually a ‘tape’ recorder, it may have used wire as many did back then).
When the radical commanders surrounding the palace heard the Emperor's voice over the radio, they knew they were sunk and committed suicide themselves. I always thought it was funny that people marveled at how good the Japaneses became at building consumer electronics. Hell, without them their country would have probably been bombed into the stone age - although it might have taken a little longer as we had already dropped the only two atomic bombs we had on them.
One thing that is never mentioned in all the weeping an gnashing of teeth, that 100,000 captives held by the Japanese were dying per month at that time. Still captives died at the end of the war for a while as they were too starved to survive, but many who died in captivity were saved.
There were recorders using magnetized paper tape in the late 1920’s, BASF invented Mylar tape sometime in the 30s, although as I mentioned in my answer above, the device would probably have used wire instead of tape. We used wire recorders extensively through World War II.
But then the globalist oligarchs could not exploit their creation, the terrorist orgs.
I had the privilege of meeting and chatting with Gen. Paul Tibbets.
There was NO doubt in his mind (or mine) that we did the right thing at the right time.
In his book “The Five Rings” Musashi described a tactic in fighting (either individual combat or war) called Piercing the Bottom. In this tactic one does not stop when the enemy is defeated physically, but continues attacking with such ferocity that the enemy loses all hope of victory and completely gives up resistance.
My dad was on a baby flattop that picked up POWs from a Japanese internment camp and took them back to an island with a large hospital. He was almost 80 before my brothers and I got him to talk about it.
This article has shades of “Aplocolype Now” in it.
Ted Koppel's advice of ignoring Muslim terrorism because it's more dangerous to react to it, backfired badly at Fort Hood.
My only brother was killed on Okinawa and the day that the war with Japan was over I was in line at a Leyte Replacement Depot, about 7th or 8th in line, to get battle gear to invade Japan. When we were told to go back to our tents there was a great feeling of relief even though we still had that feeling that in cases like mine there was no revenge. After all is said and done war is hate and revenge. My brother’s last v-mail was that he was willing to go all the way if I wouldn’t have to come. Those words just stick in my memory to this day.
Nice story about a loving brother... thanks for sharing.
We’re going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a smoking crater.
Orson Scott Card's book series, "Ender's Game", deals with this same moral dilemma, and if you have not yet read it, you should. Although it was written as juvenile fiction, never-the-less it covers very adult concepts (just without any nasty words or porn scenes)which is refreshing to read.
Ender Wiggin, the third in a family of child geniuses, is selected by international military forces to save the world from destruction by an alien force of insect beings. Ender is sent away to an intense Battle training School where they train with war games. Compassion is the theme that runs through Ender's life and is the defining feature of his existence. The reason that he plays the games so well is his ability to understand the enemy and to inspire loyalty. And it is compassion that saves Ender. If not for his compassion he would have been turned into an automaton; he would have become either a killing machine or a power hungry creature. On the other hand, Ender realizes that Ruthlessness is sometimes necessary, but it is a last resort.
So there is conflict in Ender's mind when they tell him that he is to soon become the Commander of Earth's galactic forces against the alien invaders..... you will have to read the book to see how that turns out and you will not be disappointed.
I could not help but think of the parallels of Hiroshima and the agonizing decisions our military had to make to win the war (end the war).
By the way,"Ender's Game" the movie is to be released in November (staring Harrison Ford as a colonel in the International Fleet and the commandant of the Battle School, and Asa Butterfield as Ender. I suggest you read the book before going to see the movie.
Sounds like the American newspaper business.
Wow, thanks for the info.
Didn’t know about the Emperor’s recording.
The Bushido Japanese have a lot in common with the Mohamedans: Fight to the death; brutalize and randomly murder citizens of occupied lands; torture, maim, and summarily execute prisoners.
If we needed more atomic bombs, I’m certain that they wouldn’t be long in coming, since the proof of concept had been demonstrated three times with two different nuclear fission technologies.
Too bad we don’t have what it takes to do the same to the Mohammedan savages.
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An excellent editorial. Disclosure, I wouldn't be here were it not for Truman's decision, both parents would have been occupied elsewhere.
as horrible as it was, what the bombing of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki caused to be avoided -
for Japanesae citizens all across Japan, and
for the Japanese homeland, Japanese soldiers
and American soldiers - it constituted
a sacrifice for the greater good
because we have refused to take a WWII style approach
to the war in Afghanistan, there is a very good chance
that, in a not very long time, all we have done
may be seem as a sacrifice for naught
I am not seeing the parallel that Daniel is laying out. Obama is a muslim and his administration is filled with muslims, including his CIA chief, and muslim sympathizers like Hagel and Kerry and the minions working for this administration. Bush 1 & 2 and both Clintons are muslim sympathizers. Hence, a true war against the muslims was never the goal. Infiltration of our highest levels of Govt. has been achieved. The Chaos is upon us. Our troops are cannon fodder who cannot engage the enemy by ORDERS of the PINO. This isn’t about liking or hating - this is willful purposeful Treason.
“> The bombs didnt end the war, a tape recorder did.
ICTOAN is referring to the recording of the Showa Emperor telling is subjects they must “endure the undendurable” by surrendering to the Allies. I’m not sure what the recording medium was, but it wasn’t a transcript - it was kept from the hands of the pro-war faction and broadcast on radio the following day (or so). It was the first time most of the populace had heard his voice.
ICTOAN is trying to sound knowing and cute all at once. The clear implication is that the Imperial Japanese gave up because their Emperor told them to, not because the Allies were bringing the war home to them; therefore, there was no need to drop the atomic bombs.
Arguments against this interpretation are legion, but are not needed. All we have to do is read the Showa Emperor’s speech. In it, he referred explicitly to the employment by the enemy (US & Allies) of “a new and most cruel bomb.”
The nuclear warheads detonated over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all of that.
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