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You Won’t BELIEVE What’s Going On with Government Spying on Americans
Zero Hedge ^ | August 17, 2013

Posted on 08/17/2013 1:23:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

New Revelations Are Breaking Every Day

Revelations about the breathtaking scope of government spying are coming so fast that it’s time for an updated roundup:
◾Just weeks after NSA boss Alexander said that a review of NSA spying found not even one violation, the Washington Post published an internal NSA audit showing that the agency has broken its own rules thousands of times each year
◾2 Senators on the intelligence committee said the violations revealed in the Post article were just the “tip of the iceberg”
◾Glenn Greenwald notes: “One key to the WashPost story: the reports are internal, NSA audits, which means high likelihood of both under-counting & white-washing”.(Even so, the White House tried to do damage control by retroactively changing on-the-record quotes)
◾The government is spying on essentially everything we do. It is not just “metadata” … although that is enough to destroy your privacy
◾The government has adopted a secret interpretation of the Patriot Act which allows it to pretend that “everything” is relevant … so it spies on everyone
◾NSA whistleblowers say that the NSA collects all of our conversations word-for-word
◾It’s not just the NSA … Many other agencies, like the FBI and IRS – concerned only with domestic issues – spy on Americans as well
◾The information gained through spying is shared with federal, state and local agencies, and they are using that information to prosecute petty crimes such as drugs and taxes. The agencies are instructed to intentionally “launder” the information gained through spying, i.e. to pretend that they got the information in a more legitimate way … and to hide that from defense attorneys and judges
◾Top counter-terror experts say that the government’s mass spying doesn’t keep us safe
◾Indeed, they say that mass spying actually hurts U.S. counter-terror efforts.
◾They say we can, instead, keep everyone safe without violating the Constitution … more cheaply and efficiently than the current system
◾There is no real oversight by Congress, the courts, or the executive branch of government. And see this and this.
◾Indeed, most Congress members have no idea what the NSA is doing. Even staunch defenders of the NSA now say they’ve been kept in the dark
◾A Federal judge who was on the secret spying court for 3 years says that it’s a kangaroo court
◾Even the current judges on the secret spying court now admit that they’re out of the loop and powerless to exercise real oversight
◾A former U.S. president says that the spying program shows that we no longer have a functioning democracy
◾The chairs of the 9/11 Commission say that NSA spying has gone way too far
◾Top constitutional experts say that Obama and Bush are worse than Nixon … and the Stasi East Germans
◾ While the government initially claimed that mass surveillance on Americans prevented more than 50 terror attacks, the NSA’s deputy director John Inglis walked that position back all the way to saying that – at the most – one (1) plot might have been disrupted by the bulk phone records collection alone. In other words, the NSA can’t prove that stopped any terror attacks. The government greatly exaggerated an alleged recent terror plot for political purposes (and promoted the fearmongering of serial liars). The argument that recent terror warnings show that NSA spying is necessary is so weak that American counter-terrorism experts have slammed it as “crazy pants”

◾Even President Obama admits that you’re much less likely to be killed by terrorists than a car accident. So the government has resorted to lamer and lamer excuses to try to justify mass surveillance
◾Experts say that the spying program is illegal, and is exactly the kind of thing which King George imposed on the American colonists … which led to the Revolutionary War
◾The top counter-terrorism Czar under Clinton and Bush says that revealing NSA spying programs does not harm national security
◾The feds are considering prosecuting the owner of a private email company – who shut down his business rather than turning over records to the NSA – for refusing to fork over the information and keep quiet. This is a little like trying to throw someone in jail because he’s died and is no longer paying taxes
◾Whistleblowers on illegal spying have no “legal” way to get the information out
◾There are indications that the government isn’t just passively gathering the information … but is actively using it for mischievous purposes
◾Spying started before 9/11 … and various excuses have been used to spy on Americans over the years
◾Governments and big corporations are doing everything they can to destroy anonymity
◾Mass spying creates an easy mark for hackers. Indeed, the Pentagon now sees the collection of “big data” as a “national security threat” … but the NSA is the biggest data collector on the planet, and thus provides a tempting mother lode of information for foreign hackers
◾Mass surveillance by the NSA directly harms internet companies, Silicon Valley, California … and the entire U.S. economy. And see these reports from Boingboing and the Guardian
◾IT and security professionals are quite concerned about government spying
◾Some people make a lot of money off of mass spying. But the government isn’t using the spying program to stop the worst types of lawlessness
◾Polls show that the public doesn’t believe the NSA … and thinks that the government has gone way too far in the name of terrorism
◾While leaker Edward Snowden is treated as a traitor by the fatcats and elites, he is considered a hero by the American public
◾Congress members are getting an earful from their constituents about mass surveillance
◾The heads of the intelligence services have repeatedly been caught lying about spying. And even liberal publications are starting to say that Obama has been intentionally lying about spying
◾Only 11% of Americans trust Obama to actually do anything to rein in spying
◾A huge majority of Americans wants the director of intelligence – Clapper – prosecuted for perjury
◾While the Obama administration is spying on everyone in the country – it is at the same time the most secretive administration ever (background). That’s despite Obama saying he’s running the most transparent administration ever
◾A Congressman noted that – even if a mass surveillance program is started for good purposes – it will inevitably turn into a witch hunt
◾Surveillance can be used to frame you if someone in government happens to take a dislike to you
◾Government spying has always focused on crushing dissent … not on keeping us safe
◾An NSA whistleblower says that the NSA is spying on – and blackmailing – top government officials and military officers (and see this)
◾High-level US government officials have warned for 40 years that mass surveillance would lead to tyranny in America
◾A top NSA whistleblower says that the only way to fix things is to fire all of the corrupt government officials who let it happen. As the polls above show, the American public is starting to wake up to that fact


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: benghazi; congress; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; obama; surveillance
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1 posted on 08/17/2013 1:23:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
KEYSTROKE LOGGING may not have been mentioned....but Im fairly certain that they are using it!

This Message Not Approved by the NSA



2 posted on 08/17/2013 1:28:55 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Working link:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-08-17/you-won%E2%80%99t-believe-what%E2%80%99s-going-government-spying-americans


3 posted on 08/17/2013 1:29:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But the feds have a hell of a time trying to catch Islamoterrorists and illegal aliens. Too much work I guess. I'm going to have to move my computer into "the shadows". The feds don't go there.

A big shout out to the NSA guys! Hey! Yo!

5 posted on 08/17/2013 1:32:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Former Rodeo Clown Sensitivity Training class valedictorian.)
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To: steve86
ya BEAT me!



This Message Not Approved by the NSA



6 posted on 08/17/2013 1:33:57 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

That’s not Zerohedge LOL


7 posted on 08/17/2013 1:34:00 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

This deal will turn into a giant Sh** storm when someone from the DNC/SEIU/etc comes out and says they are feed raw data from the NSA.


8 posted on 08/17/2013 1:34:15 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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9 posted on 08/17/2013 1:34:28 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And with all this unprecedented spying going on, you still have Freepers who refuse to post on Facebook because the gubmint might track what they say...


10 posted on 08/17/2013 1:34:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NSA, IRS, EPA, DOJ, CIA, Military Generals... All being discredited, and coincidentally under 0bama's watch. This is how 0bama creates a need by the people for a new form of government. We're being played. Lerner planted the question that blew the lid off the IRS scandal. Snowden ends up in Russia. Blah blah blah.. We are sooooooo being played!

0bama hopes we all agree to HIS new form of government and he's trying to create the need for what's he's got in store! We're all saying "Yeah! Yeah! Go Snowden!" when we should be saying "UH OH.."

11 posted on 08/17/2013 1:35:39 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We must remember that all 3 branches of government secretly conspired and agreed to deny we citizens our unalienable 4th Amendment rights.


12 posted on 08/17/2013 1:37:35 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: steve86
Im tryin to confuse the guys that the NSA feeds thier "metadata" to....s/



This Message Not Approved by the NSA



13 posted on 08/17/2013 1:37:46 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The link does not seem to work, but this seems to. It provides multiple sources, with links, for the assertions.

The nature of the spying, and Obama Administration lies about it, are disgusting; I had heard this His was going to be the most "transparent" ever. Of course, I heard numerous other fabrications as well.

14 posted on 08/17/2013 1:38:06 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

“As you’re installing the new totalitarian regime, you must discredit, vilify and smear the old one”.. This is what’s happening, people!


15 posted on 08/17/2013 1:38:13 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

16 posted on 08/17/2013 1:39:00 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: LyinLibs




This Message Not Approved by the NSA



17 posted on 08/17/2013 1:40:42 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And then, there are those among us that say that surveillance of foreign communications is OK with them. The demonstrating Germans and French disagree (here, we’re too busy shopping at JC Penneys, which again has sales and specials, to demonstrate.) In other words, if the Germans and the French spy on our phone communications that’s OK too, right?


18 posted on 08/17/2013 1:41:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A top NSA whistleblower says that the only way to fix things is to fire all of the corrupt government officials who let it happen.

The only way to fix things is a military raid on the spy facilities, destroy the facilities and imprison the perpetrators.

19 posted on 08/17/2013 1:43:59 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
KEYSTROKE LOGGING may not have been mentioned....but Im fairly certain that they are using it!

I am sure they are. F those MFers.

20 posted on 08/17/2013 1:47:21 PM PDT by Mark17 (Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
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To: LyinLibs

OK, the tampon earring just did me in. LMAO!


21 posted on 08/17/2013 1:50:56 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
An NSA whistleblower says that the NSA is spying on – and blackmailing – top government officials...

This nugget may partially explain the spineless Republican "leadership" (cough, cough...)

22 posted on 08/17/2013 1:52:38 PM PDT by fone (Never give up, never give in.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Tell me more about keystroke logging. I presume that’s the part that Snowden talked about by saying that they can see what you’re doing on your computer in real time.

And one thing I wish Snowden would tell us is how any single person can find out what spying has been done on them, when, and why. What records do they have to keep? The people doing the snooping - is there a record of THEIR keystrokes, to show where they’ve been?


23 posted on 08/17/2013 2:15:01 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

“Tell me more about keystroke logging. I presume that’s the part that Snowden talked about by saying that they can see what you’re doing on your computer in real time.”

Its been a few weeks since Ive noticed the text typed into my browser stalling and then being “displayed One letter at a time.....after I removed my hands form the Keyboard.

As I understand it that may be a symptom of keystroke logging,,and As there’s been no Trojan discovered On my computer I would have to guess that the logging was being done remotely.

This stopped at about the time I added This Message Not Approved By The NSA to my messages,,,

“And one thing I wish Snowden would tell us is how any single person can find out what spying has been done on them, when, and why. What records do they have to keep? The people doing the snoopin”

they likely dont NEED to keep any records they dont want to.

I havent been auditied yet nor had any unwlecome nightime visits! emphasis on YET


24 posted on 08/17/2013 2:21:40 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How long before we see something “planted” in the files of Jim Robinson, Rush Limbaugh, and other ultra conservatives with a voice that will get them indicted on false charges?


25 posted on 08/17/2013 2:26:04 PM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need more Metatags (Al Gore).


26 posted on 08/17/2013 2:41:16 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: DanMiller

Of course it is transparent. There’s no privacy *anywhere*. Except for Obama’s pedigree, of course.


27 posted on 08/17/2013 2:44:30 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: fone

Live boys, dead girls, farm animals and unprosecuted DUI’s.

Among other things.


28 posted on 08/17/2013 2:47:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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>> It is not just “metadata” … although that is enough to destroy your privacy

It is not just “metadata”, it medical data!!!


29 posted on 08/17/2013 2:48:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
While the Obama administration is spying on everyone in the country – it is at the same time the most secretive administration ever (background). That’s despite Obama saying he’s running the most transparent administration ever

"Don't ask me about my business, Kay."

30 posted on 08/17/2013 2:53:39 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Got a virus alert from zero hedge.


31 posted on 08/17/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: steve86

Got a virus alert from zero hedge.


32 posted on 08/17/2013 2:58:13 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: DanMiller

Got a virus alert from zero hedge.


33 posted on 08/17/2013 2:58:39 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: null and void; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; La Lydia; aragorn; ...

Ping.

Pinging in case anyone missed this thread.

Check out article, and # 24 is interesting.

Thanks, Nully.

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34 posted on 08/17/2013 2:58:49 PM PDT by LucyT (In politics,“Lack of Money" speaks louder than words. Stop donating to RINOs.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Got a virus alert from zero hedge.


35 posted on 08/17/2013 3:00:04 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Excellence

Uh, I have nothing to do with that website.


36 posted on 08/17/2013 3:00:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whistleblowers on illegal spying have no “legal” way to get the information out

How convenient.

There are indications that the government isn’t just passively gathering the information … but is actively using it for mischievous purposes

Gee, really??

Spying started before 9/11 … and various excuses have been used to spy on Americans over the years

So....spying on American citizens since the Klintoon Regime. Un-constitutional violations if the 4th Amendment was ratcheted up under W-Bush(GOPe). Pushed to its limit during the Commie-Fascist Imposture.

37 posted on 08/17/2013 3:00:42 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: null and void; MeshugeMikey

What’s keystroke logging?

I’m a techtard.


38 posted on 08/17/2013 3:02:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: null and void; MeshugeMikey

As always, I read down the thread and find my question answered. Sorry! (I do it all too often.)


39 posted on 08/17/2013 3:03:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: USS Johnston

My late father’s job at Southern Bell in the 60’s was tapping phones off the frame. Samuel Morse and Alexander Graham Bell always went along with whatever the government asked of them. Nothing new.


40 posted on 08/17/2013 3:03:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Excellence

I doubt it’s really a problem as I frequently check out postings there (and millions of others do as well) but am not on a Windows platform anyway.


41 posted on 08/17/2013 3:04:47 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I don’t follow what you’re saying about Lerner and the IRS or Snowden. Could you explain?


42 posted on 08/17/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

They’re essentially a ghost in your machine that catches every keystroke you make on your keyboard. Including but not limited to passwords and those little notepad notes you make to yourself on your home pc.

If you type a word document they catch that too. Even if you’re not on the internet they likely set it up to download that info when you do connect.

It means your pc is a spy.

(3rd amendment anyone?)


43 posted on 08/17/2013 3:05:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: steve86

Me, too. I have no qualms about going to zero hedge. Which is why I was surprised. Could not it have been compromised by a third party?


44 posted on 08/17/2013 3:07:07 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks for the details. Explains it perfectly.

(waving to the orcs!)


45 posted on 08/17/2013 3:08:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MeshugeMikey; All
Its been a few weeks since Ive noticed the text typed into my browser stalling and then being “displayed One letter at a time.....after I removed my hands form the Keyboard.

As I understand it that may be a symptom of keystroke logging,,and As there’s been no Trojan discovered On my computer I would have to guess that the logging was being done remotely.

This stopped at about the time I added This Message Not Approved By The NSA to my messages,,,

Amazing. Who here is shocked by this?

And yet there are still some at FR who believe Snowden is a "traitor" because HE "jeopardized OUR 'security.'"

46 posted on 08/17/2013 3:09:04 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Excellence

Does your AV software provide any more specifics?


47 posted on 08/17/2013 3:10:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Yes, it says, “Rogue:JS/FakeAlert
Alert level Severe

This program is dangerous and executes commands from an attacker. Remove this software immediately.


48 posted on 08/17/2013 3:14:26 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
We're all saying "Yeah! Yeah! Go Snowden!" when we should be saying "UH OH.."

I think we ARE saying, "UH-OH"...but also, hoping Whistleblowers put nation and honor before selling their soul and ALL of us out.

49 posted on 08/17/2013 3:14:36 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: steve86

I’m now doing a full scan.
Damn. I just lost my 64 bit Dell to a malfunction, and all I have left is this 32 bit Toshiba. I miss my Dell.


50 posted on 08/17/2013 3:16:39 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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