Congressman Steve Stockman Questions Obama Birth Certificate; Foreign Student?
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Posted on 08/20/2013 1:39:34 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
WASHINGTON – To hear Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, describe it, the difference between President Obama and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas – on the question of their eligibility for the highest office in the land – may be a case of comparing apples and oranges.
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The congressman said with Cruz, it is a legal question of whether he is eligible to serve as president – whereas the issue with Obama is not really about where he was born, but whether his documentation is authentic.
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Obama, on the other hand, is the subject of Stockman’s proposed legislation calling for a congressional investigation of both the president’s constitutional eligibility and the authenticity of the birth certificate he released to show he was born in Hawaii.
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In an exclusive interview with WND, Stockman said, in the case of Obama, it is more of a question about the validity of the documentation as well as his forthrightness, whereas with Cruz, it is more of a matter for legal and constitutional scholars to decide.
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The congressman said he doesn’t really know if Cruz is eligible for the presidency, but Cruz has been upfront and Obama was not.
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Stockman mentioned another element that separates the case of Cruz and that of the president: the persistence of reports that Obama was listed as a foreign student in school and the fact he has yet to release records that would disprove that.
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A News 4 report from Jacksonville noted that U.S. Rep. Ted Yoho has promised to back Texas Rep. Steve Stockman’s proposed bill to investigate the president’s birth certificate.
“So I called Steve up when I got back. He says, ‘Yeah, we’re doing it. You want to get on that?’” I says, ‘yeah,’” said Yoho.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
Wouldn't it be such a surprise to the REST OF THE UNITED STATES to finally hear that Obama might have been pretending to be a foreign student in order to get financial aid?
The stuff about his status as a foreign student has always been for me a bigger red flag than the BC stuff... Someone could be encouraged to provide documentation if the price was right. And (God help me) Trump has the cash and has made the offer....
Haven’t you figured out yet that Trump is on Obama’s side and everything he’s done has helped Obama?
Does anyone else think Ted Cruz has been secretly consulting behind closed doors with fellow Texan Steve Stockman and Lt. Mike Zullo of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse? People, this is a coordinated plan to expose Obama’s document fraud and ineligibility to be president.
at this point, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
Lord Almighty, these people are 7 years too late.
nothing to see here, move on.
I doubt he was pretending. He was likely an indonesian citizen and there is no record of Barky ever repatriating himself.
I would very much like for some irrefutable evidence of this to come out.
You and me both.
I would love to get an answer to the foreign student question. I also want to see transcripts. Academic standards for foreign students can be pretty low. And where did he get that odd SSN?
Ping
They sure took their sweet time before coming to this revelation.
.....and the faked selective service registration form......itself a felony and prohibits granting of federal money or jobs to the miscreant.
Congressman Stockman pretty much gets it, although the issue with Obama is also legal in the sense that his REAL place of birth can surely have a legal bearing upon his constitutional eligibility or lack thereof.
Obama, on the other hand, is the subject of Stockman’s proposed legislation calling for a congressional investigation of both the president’s constitutional eligibility and the authenticity of the birth certificate he released to show he was born in Hawaii.
Is this "proposed" legislation already formally introduced as a House bill or will it definitely be introduced in the near future? If so, congratulations to Congressman Stockman for his courage to propose the bill and to the Arizona Cold Case Posse - Mike Zullo, in particular - for his effective work in getting out the findings of the Obama LFBC fraud investigation.
Congressman Steve Stockman Questions Obama Birth Certificate; Foreign Student?
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Whatever the outcome, the damage Obama did to this country is irreversible and devastating.
He did accomplish his goal while the House and Senate sat on their asses. Hence, their complicity to the damage should not be overlooked.
Everything Trump has done is to help Trump.
The fact that Trump has never followed through on any of threats is just a sign that Trump got the help he was looking for.
A lot people and groups are getting the same type of help to keep quite at the expense of the American people.
We are seeing a lot of weird, inexplicable behavior on the part of a lot of politicians in Washington these days.
One reasonable explanation for this inexplicable behavior is that they are owned by some one or some thing due to bribes, blackmail, extortion, threats or some combination of the above.
Word is there are a lot of scared people in Washington these days.
Cruz, at least, didn’t flinch in putting up the very same document that barrack has had in his possession since his mother passed and he ruminated about in a book.
That he waited years and left in doubt the certainty of his birth right status tells volumes about his honesty and depth of character.
I hope that's the case, otherwise Ted's not as brilliant as we think. He's not been afraid to take on the big dogs, that's for sure.
Interesting.
Mark for later....
Write him and Yoho and URGE them to continue peeling the stinking onion!
Rep. Steve Stockman
907 E. Houston St.
Cleveland City Hall
Cleveland, TX 77327
Rep. Steve Stockman
420 Green Avenue
Orange, TX 77630
Rep. Steve Stockman
8060 Spencer Hwy.
San Jacinto College
Building 1, Room 108
Pasadena, TX 77505
AND, handwritten notes to Yoho:
Rep. Ted Yoho
5000 NW 27th Court
Suite E
Gainesville, FL 32606
(Thanks, ColdCase!)
Faked Selective Service Registration and forged Birth Certificate..............I'm trying to understand why no one is tracking down the forgers and others that facilitated these deeds? There has to be a weak link..............
” - - - Faked Selective Service Registration and forged Birth Certificate..............I’m trying to understand why no one is tracking down the forgers and others that facilitated these deeds? There has to be a weak link.............. “
Try looking at www.Nachumlist.com 0bama dead pool - these kind who might talk - end up not being able to.
(I recall reading about someone who feared for her life due to something she inadvertently witnessed. Sure enough - she didnt last long thereafter ~
If I put myself in the position of the guy ordered to convince the world that I'd scanned some sort of a real birth certificate for Bork Obunga, the very last thing I'd ever do is post some six or seven part pdf file on the internet. I'd anticipate my own mother and grandmother calling me a lying SOB... The ONLY thing I'd ever post would be some pure bitmap image, either a bmp or tif image.
Moreover, any technically competent person that the Bork (Obunga) admin were to give that assignment to would have known that; you have to assume that whoever did that scan and post had to be a near computer illiterate.
Then you ask yourself why a near computer illiterate would have drawn that assignment, and the answer is not difficult. When Attila the Hun died, the Huns killed every member of the burial detail which had buried him so that his grave would never be found. When Genghis Khan died, same thing, to this day nobody has any clue as to where either Attila or Genghis Khan might be buried.
There are some assignments which nobody wants despite any glory which might be attached to them, simply because no amount of money would compensate for the occupational hazards attached to them and being the only person on Earth to know what exactly had been posted on the internet for the benefit of Bork Obunga's continued general recognition as a "natural born US citizen(TM)" is one of them.
My guess is that either Bork himself or some member of his immediate family posted that pdf file.
Can you link us up a bit on that? I certainly wish I could be confident of such a bold move from Stockman, et al.
There are two elements:
(1) The "creation" of the document
(2)What's in the document (s).
The fact that the document is a forgery really has little to do with the information presented by it, which IMO, cannot be proven or disproven. That's OK. The BC forgery is enough. And now that Reggie Love has said that "Barry found his real BC," it starts to get surreal.
In the related "Constitutional Eligibility" matter, it is important IMO, to point out that the SCOTUS has no power to remove a sitting President.
IOW, if the SCOTUS should:
(a) shift its haunches and decide to rule,
and (b) if they find the guy ineligible, (which ain't a slam-dunk)
it would still be up to Congress to use the info to impeach and convict him. Or not. Removal is Congress' call, and with a short-timer to deal with, it may well not be worth the effort and upheaval.
That is why I have turned into an annoying one-trick pony on the issue of the SCOTUS accepting an appeal on Art.II eligibility. For them to answer the question they have been so studiously avoiding places very little actual onus upon them. And, with a definition in hand, we could consider the eligibility of other candidates without a long drawn out distracting series of brawls, which IMO, would guarantee a Democrat victory.
Recycled post.
It's a "Failure to qualify" issue under the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three. If there is no valid birth certificate upon which to prove eligibility, Congress has allowed a usurpation to occur by FAILING to enforce this amendment. If we are dealing with a usurper, there is no impeachment needed as we do not have a President to impeach. We simply have a usurper to arrest.
All of this can be acted upon the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three not being obeyed and proving it hasn't been obeyed.
Of course it is. And it really has nothing to do with Obama. The SCOTUS needs to get 4 justices to agree to take an appeal and tell us what a "natural born Citizen" is.
They might well rule against what you desire. Or for it. After that, it is up to Congress to use that ruling, or not use it against Obama. What the SCOTUS doing its job would mean is the clarification of the issue for future candidates.
One might well accuse Congress of neglecting it's duty. However, they are just like us in that there are differing opinions on what that duty might be in this case. That's why we have a SCOTUS, to tell us what the COTUS means.
It's a "Failure to qualify" issue under the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three. If there is no valid birth certificate upon which to prove eligibility, Congress has allowed a usurpation to occur by FAILING to enforce this amendment.
Where does it say it has to be a Birth Certificate. What is the "proof of eligibility." the 20th is an Amendment ... a part of the COTUS. When there's a problem, it is the SCOTUS' constitutional duty to accept appeals that define the meaning of the Constitution.
Please note again that the courts cannot remove the President. Just as the Congress cannot ultimately define the Constitution.
I am not defending the pusillanimity of Congress in this matter, just that the SCOTUS' is more egregious.
There is no state in the union that requires submitting a birth certificate in order to qualify for the state ballot. The Arizona state legislature passed such a law but Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it in 2011.
The power to check qualifications for office is a state issue not a federal issue. Every states’ Chief Election Official (usually an elected Secretary of State) cleared Obama for the state’s ballot in 2008 and in 2012.
There are still two pending ballot challenges to Obama’s eligibility, in Alabama before the all Republican state Supreme Court and in Mississippi before a Reagan-appointed federal judge.
There were 50 lawsuits or state election board challenges filed in 22 states for the 2012 election cycle contesting Obama’s eligibility. There was no ruling of ineligibility.
Why were his lawyers fighting it?
His own words:
“The only people who don’t
want to disclose the truth are
people with something to hide.”
No federal money?
As in national Senate pay? (As well as Pres__dental pay)
Hmmmm, if the pay continues and the doc is fraudulent, then the statute of limitations is a moving object isn’t it?
Go Cruz and Stockman!
In the “trial on the merits” in Georgia, Obama’s lawyer refused to show up for the trial. The judge was going to enter a default judgement against Obama but the people suing him asked the judge to let the trial go on any way. The judge did that and then he ruled in Obama’s favor.
It wasn’t a trial. It was a administrative hearing.
I maintain that it is a constitutional issue and therby a federal issue.
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Now that a proven fraudulent document has been posted on an official government web site, it is also a Criminal issue.
Yes, it was an administrative hearing presided over by Georgia Administrative Law Judge Michael Mahili. But the plaintiffs did ask Judge Mahili to hear their evidence and witnesses and rule on the merits and the judge granted their request rather than issue a default judgement against Obama.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/georgia-judge-considered-default-against-obama/
Was the birth certificate examined in the hearing?
The problem is that no one has proven the document is fraudulent IN A COURT OF LAW. Until that happens, “fraudulent document” remains an accusation.
No state or local prosecutor in the nation seems interested in taking up this issue and pursuing it to a grand jury investigation. No one should expect federal law enforcement/prosecutors who are under the control of the Obama administration to have any interest.
The fact that there has been no "day in court" because of a corrupt judiciary and congress, can and does not erase the fact of wrong doing.
All it reveals is that the courts and legislature are not doing their Job.
According to Orly Taitz, Michael Jablonski, Obama’s attorney submitted a copy of the long form with a letter he wrote to Judge Mahili.
Dr. Taitz argued that she should have then had the right to inspect the original, vault copy, long form birth certificate in Hawaii.
Dr. Taitz said that “Judge Mahili gave me a leave of the court to petition the Superior Court for Letters Rogatory to the Circuit Court of HI seeking local subpoena for Obama’s original birth certificate in lieu of the alleged copy attached to 01.25.12 letter from Jablonski.”
“Dr. Taitz said that “Judge Mahili gave me a leave of the court to petition the Superior Court for Letters Rogatory to the Circuit Court of HI seeking local subpoena for Obama’s original birth certificate in lieu of the alleged copy attached to 01.25.12 letter from Jablonski.”
And then what happened?
“And then what happened?”
Then what? Ted Cruz is what happened.
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/maternity/77ER377.htm
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/amicus-brief-georgia-potus-eligibility-cases/
Then what happened?
https://libertylegalfoundation.org/georgia-law-not-enforced-against-the-powerful/#.UhThU9LVDcs
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2012/01/26/obama-eligibility-court-case-blow-by-blow/
Donald R. DeCicco?
So much happened that it would take a book to relate the entire story.
Four eligibility challenges were all heard on the same day: Farrar v. Obama, Powell v. Obama, Swensson v. Obama and Welden v. Obama.
Orly Taitz did not get to view Obama’s original birth certificate in Hawaii,
Judge Mahili ruled in Obama’s favor and declared Obama to be a natural born citizen.
[”For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen. Accordingly, President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary under O.C.G.A. under Section 21-2-5(b). February 3, 2012”—Judge Mahili]
(It is important to note that several of the plaintiffs stipulated that Obama was born in Hawaii. Their argument was that his Kenyan father rendered him ineligible under the “two citizen parents” theory of natural born citizenship).
Georgia’s Secretary of State Brian Kemp cleared Obama for the Georgia ballot.
The plaintiffs appealed Kemp’s decision and the Fulton County Superior Court upheld Secretary of State Kemp’s ruling.
The plaintiffs appealed to the state Supreme Court and the Georgia Supreme Court dismissed an appeal of the Fulton County Superior Court’s ruling.
Several of the original plaintiffs appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In Justices’ conference at the Supreme Court of the United States, there weren’t the required four votes to hear the appeal before the full Supreme Court, so the petition to hear the appeal was denied.
Romney beat Obama 53% to 45% in Georgia and won Georgia’s electoral votes. That’s the Readers’ Digest version.
The courts can’t do their job if no one brings forward a formal criminal complaint in the form of an indictment to a court of law. Congress is not the place to adjudicate criminal activity.
Nearly every accusation of fraud, forgery, identity theft and document tampering has been made in a civil lawsuit, not in a criminal complaint.
Past presidents were investigated for many reasons ie.
Nixon during the Watergate scandal.
Reagan during Iran contra.
President Clinton was investigated regarding the Lewinsky affair.
And then a second time for lying to congress.
More recently, Obama for the Benghazi probe
AND even now, the House Energy and Commerce Committee has launched an investigation into the Obama administration's decision to delay aspects of Obamacare
When the supreme court sees some intrest from the legeslature, perhaps then they will hear some appeals brought before them.
Our roll as citizens is to yell from the rooftops as we educate others before it is too late.
This isn't necessary as it's been settled by Minor vs Happersatt. In addition, the "natural born citizen" question is a red herring.
The President Elect is tasked with "failing or not failing to qualify" under the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three. A failure to qualify forces Congress to act in naming a replacement. In order to act, they must be made aware of whether or not they have to act. If they didn't enforce the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three, this means that there has been a failure to qualify regardless of whether it's because there was no proof of eligibility given or they didn't act upon this non-proof. Both scenarios result in a usurpation of the office of President.
Even someone who is a natural born citizen will fail to qualify without being able to back it up with evidence to Congress. This is why the "natural born citizen" arguments are a waste of time. What should be discussed, and answered by our congressmen and women is how did they satisfy the demands of the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three. If they are unable to answer, they didn't. So far, I don't think any one of them has.
You are incorrect. Obama's own defense used the Twentieth Amendment, Section Three as their reason to disallow standing to those who demanded to see proof of eligibility in court. Their argument was that Congress was charged with this responsibility under the Constitution.
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