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'Recognizing same-sex unions brings us closer to apocalypse' - Head of Russian Orthodox Church
RT ^ | July 23 2013 | RT

Posted on 08/20/2013 9:42:54 PM PDT by WilliamIII

The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill sees the recognition of same-sex unions by Western countries as a portent of doom. He called upon Russians to ensure that sin is never formalized by the rule of law.

"We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,” Itar-Tass quoted the patriarch as saying after the Sunday service in the Kazan Cathedral on Red Square.

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1 posted on 08/20/2013 9:42:54 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE :”The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill sees the recognition of same-sex unions by Western countries as a portent of doom. He called upon Russians to ensure that sin is never formalized by the rule of law.
“We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,” Itar-Tass quoted the patriarch as saying after the Sunday service in the Kazan Cathedral on Red Square.”

Ditto

2 posted on 08/20/2013 9:45:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: WilliamIII

I don’t think it brings us any closer to the apocalypses (G_d has his own time table), just makes us more aware of it’s near approach.


3 posted on 08/20/2013 9:50:40 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: WilliamIII

Who would have thunk that ole’ Russia would be leader on the march of God and against the USA’s moral depravity.


4 posted on 08/20/2013 9:51:03 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

Our Lady of Fatima


5 posted on 08/20/2013 9:52:42 PM PDT by stanne
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To: WilliamIII

Actually, it doesn’t. Breakdown of society? Yup. Apocalypse? Nope.

But the repression of Christians that is resulting from the mad push for forced acceptance of gay sex? Well, yup...


6 posted on 08/20/2013 9:55:48 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: WilliamIII

No argument here. The last Pope is in Rome, the Anti-Christ is in charge of the most powerful army ever known and the Superbowl halftime show is described in Revelations 17.


7 posted on 08/20/2013 10:07:16 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: GOP Poet
"Who would have thunk that ole’ Russia would be leader on the march of God and against the USA’s moral depravity."

During the war in Kosovo I knew we were on the wrong path and Russia was taking the high road. That seems to have been just the start.

I am looking forward to see how Putin deals with Islam. I am sure the church is going to have a role in it.

Russia has more problems with Islam then we ever did yet only now it seems Putin is recognizing them as a real threat. Not in the sense of military threat but as a quite invading threat.

8 posted on 08/20/2013 10:26:02 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
I am looking forward to see how Putin deals with Islam. I am sure the church is going to have a role in it.

I've been saying for some time that part of the explanation for Putins' embrace of the church is chess-playing, long-term strategic thinking. He knows, maybe not in his heart, but in his brain and in his guts, that the only way to fight a religion like Islam is to encourage the Christian religion. The lesser of two evils (in his mind). But whatever his motivation are, I'll take it.

9 posted on 08/20/2013 10:56:32 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

or maybe, Putin is finally free to support the church and his faith -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk


10 posted on 08/20/2013 11:31:43 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Putin wasn’t as concerned when the US was pretending to be fighting muslim extremists. Now he’ll deal with his way. I have a feeling we’re more than going back to the pre 67 borders. We’re going back to the Russians being Egypt’s best ally.


11 posted on 08/20/2013 11:34:52 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: All

In Canada, we are further down the slippery slope into the moral abyss than the U.S.A. — we legalized same-sex marriage in 2005 and despite a lot of public opposition at that time and a change in government, parliament was never able to find a majority vote to rescind what the Patriarch rightly calls “the legalization of sin.”

And he is absolutely right that this brings into very clear view the prospect of God’s moral condemnation of the west, for indeed, America is only lagging slightly behind the herd as they drop one by one into this cesspool of moral depravity.

The idea that this is some libertarian triumph is ambiguous at best. Given that the libertarian point of view is often atheistic, still there is just as much to be lost in terms of freedom of association and freedom to do business as you see fit, as supposedly is gained from freedom to love and marry as you choose. But on this issue, I believe we see the glaring weakness of libertarian philosophy as contrasted with principled conservatism, for there, people are more motivated to think in terms of the survival of the larger foundations of freedom, which must of necessity take us back to the world’s best known expression of it, the vision of the American founding fathers to create a moral order of liberty respecting foremost the rights of the Creator and then those of the individuals He created (in His image, and here lies the disproof of the Satnic theology that gives false hope to progressives that God is on their side. I believe through Spiritual discernment that this is a dangerous delusion and may indeed be that final delusuion of which we were so abundantly warned in Scripture.

It is surprising and to some extent puzzling that Russia, not that transformed from its cynical communist past, and led by an arch-example of that regime, has chosen to stand virtually alone among advanced nations against the rainbow and also Islamist (and to some extent climate change too) portions of the globalist agenda. They used to design that agenda in the Kremlin just as a hobby.

All praise to the Holy Spirit for its many wonders that can transcend even these imponderables. But we need to find our own steadfast leaders who are uncompromisingly opposed to all of this Satanic delusion, before it destroys what is left of our liberty and moral integrity.


12 posted on 08/20/2013 11:47:16 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: WilliamIII
Hmm,what if one guy decided to get a sex change and become a woman. Would that make it a heterosexual marriage?
Just kidding, of course. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or Adam and Eve, Mary, Susie and Joan.

Same sex marriages are an abomination as are the once-Mormon practice of multiple wives.

13 posted on 08/20/2013 11:59:31 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: VerySadAmerican

To paraphrase Vito Corleone...about Putin: he’s a pimp.


14 posted on 08/21/2013 12:00:44 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: VerySadAmerican

The first statement you made I am not going to comment on.
But you are 100% right on the second Egypt will be Russia’s Allie again since we are on the side of evil


15 posted on 08/21/2013 12:14:23 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: cloudmountain
Same sex marriages are an abomination as are the once-Mormon practice of multiple wives.

Same sex, yes, but multiple wives? Where in the Bible does it say it is an "abomination"? Ironically, you are quoting the Book of Mormon which does indeed call it that, but it was obviously practiced in the Old Testament, and without condemnation.
16 posted on 08/21/2013 12:30:07 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: WilliamIII
The Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill sees the recognition of same-sex unions by Western countries as a portent of doom.

Can't say I disagree. Remember Bork's "Slouching Toward Gomorrah"? He was right.

17 posted on 08/21/2013 12:31:21 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: sickoflibs

“We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,”

He’s taking some liberties with “we” here. I mean, some may have felt “enormous temptation” when the government legalized gay marriage, but it’s safe to say most of us didn’t hear wedding bells ringing.


18 posted on 08/21/2013 1:33:29 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: WilliamIII

He speaks the truth.


19 posted on 08/21/2013 1:37:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
My new 11,000-word short story will be out in a few days.

It will be available to read here, gratis.


20 posted on 08/21/2013 4:35:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: paristexas
RE :”He’s taking some liberties with “we” here. I mean, some may have felt “enormous temptation” when the government legalized gay marriage, but it’s safe to say most of us didn’t hear wedding bells ringing.”

I dont think that is what he was getting at.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 4:37:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Dude, had you heard much from Chechnya these days?
I believe Putin had a lot to do with the drastic population reduction there after a wave of terror incidents hit Russia.


22 posted on 08/21/2013 4:45:52 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: NurdlyPeon

[Putins’ embrace of the church is chess-playing,]

The KGB’s historical predecessors were the “church’s” secret police - the Oprichiniki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina

Good reason to prohibit such state-establishments in a free country where the governed have the right and responsibility to contradict the errors of the fallible and uninspired eunuchs who would govern and enslave them.


23 posted on 08/21/2013 5:52:42 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: GLDNGUN
I called it an abomination...didn't quote the Bible. I know it was practiced. So was divorce. But Jesus did talk about that.
Odd, today we don't have multiple wives, but we do have divorce.
24 posted on 08/21/2013 5:54:57 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: WilliamIII

I cannot help but get a chill every time I read how MOSES warned the children of Israel not to do as the nations they were to supplant. Those nations were being supplanted because of sexual evils and the worship of idols.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.

Lev 18:24 ¶ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Lev 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit [any] of these abominations; [neither] any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

Lev 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which [were] before you, and the land is defiled;)

Lev 18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that [were] before you.

Lev 20:22 ¶ Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, SPUE you not out.

Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

We have invited into our nation those who worship other gods, normalized SODOMY, offer our children on the alter of abortion.

When I was young, there were many churches wherever I lived. Now we have mosques, hindu temples, buddahist centers, occult (new age)worshipers and others near here and I see them slowly supplanting Christianity everywhere they start. Their influence is beginning to be seen ion TV and in movies as we are supplanted by others.


25 posted on 08/21/2013 7:13:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: GLDNGUN

***Same sex, yes, but multiple wives? Where in the Bible does it say it is an “abomination”?****

Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.

Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So, according to this, taking a second wife is adultery.

And so many, including Old Testament people have done it.


26 posted on 08/21/2013 7:25:24 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: NurdlyPeon
During the Chechen wars there were some shifts in populations but they have settled down and muslim populations have returned.

Note at the bottom of this post. "2007 Russian and other Slavic populations decrease in number while the largely Muslim populations of nationalities indigenous to the North Caucasus grow." It looks like when Ramzan Kadyrov (muslim) took over he is using unethical means by the police to force Russians and Slavic out.

http://demographymatters.blogspot.com/2013/04/some-notes-on-chechens-and-chechen.html

This is nearly exactly the kind of thing that took place in Kosovo by the Muslims. When Milošević attempted to deal with the problem the western world turned against him.

It will be interesting to see how Putin deals with it.

27 posted on 08/21/2013 9:42:42 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

~~~We have invited into our nation those who worship other gods~~~

I saw my first mosque in person (in the Midwest) in 1989. I had just come from an Old Testament class. One days, I was asked to teach the Sunday School lesson on an outing. I tossed the booklet as it was useless (normal).

Referring to the mosque, I noted 2 Kings 17:7-22 and said the United States was going into captivity because I’d now seen a temple to a foreign “god”. I don’t think anyone comprehended what I was saying.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20kings%2017:7-22&version=KJV


28 posted on 08/21/2013 9:45:49 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: VerySadAmerican; NurdlyPeon

sorry, post number 27 was meant for VerysadAmerican which is a very sad name


29 posted on 08/21/2013 9:50:38 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: NurdlyPeon
said, "whatever his motivation are, I'll take it."

I agree it is a step in the right direction. It will be a long time before the church could recover though and it will take leadership participation more then just support.

30 posted on 08/21/2013 9:55:08 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: F15Eagle
According to Wikipedia(yuck) "the first mosque was established in the U.S. in 1915, relatively few mosques were founded before the 1960s. Eighty-seven percent of mosques in the U.S. were founded within the last three decades"

31 posted on 08/21/2013 9:59:19 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Fits perfectly with me seeing that one 24 years ago. I hate Wiki, too. It is not an encyclopedia as it portrays itself. Way too subjective. So it's hard to sift through sometimes.

Thanks.

32 posted on 08/21/2013 10:07:34 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: sickoflibs; WilliamIII; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

” “We face enormous temptations when countries start approving sin and codifying it into law in order to justify it,” Itar-Tass quoted the patriarch as saying after the Sunday service in the Kazan Cathedral on Red Square.””

B U M P on this!


33 posted on 08/21/2013 10:30:54 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; WilliamIII; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy

We sure have gone into Bizzaroworld when the (former) Evil Empire is now talking about “sin” to the US... Wow... truly duct tape on head time here...

But then again...they’ve been through this already, and aren’t keen on going back. So they know.


34 posted on 08/21/2013 10:44:09 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: GOP Poet

“...the USA’s moral depravity....”

It’s not “the USA’s” moral depravity. It’s “some in the USA’s” moral depravity.

The whole country isn’t on the bandwagon.


35 posted on 08/21/2013 10:45:54 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; WilliamIII; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy
RE :”We sure have gone into Bizzaroworld when the (former) Evil Empire is now talking about “sin” to the US... Wow... truly duct tape on head time here...”

I bet gays were not treated lovingly under the USSR either.

From what I read the USSR Russia birthrate was much higher than it is now so this moral push is related to increasing the birthrate by Russians. I guess they dont have problems with Mexican invaders, too cold there.

36 posted on 08/21/2013 10:49:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

“...I guess they dont have problems with Mexican invaders, too cold there...”

No, they have Chechen moslems instead. Except, they won’t put up with it. They’ll just kick their asses and do the Bristolski Stomp on them.


37 posted on 08/21/2013 10:54:44 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
RE :”No, they have Chechen moslems instead. Except, they won’t put up with it. They’ll just kick their asses and do the Bristolski Stomp on them.”

Here we give the food stamps, explosives and pressure cookers, just not guns. They might hurt someone with those.

38 posted on 08/21/2013 10:56:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale

” . I guess they dont have problems with Mexican invaders, too cold there. “

Plus, the Mexicans would have their heads stomped, and then would be jailed. They like food stamps better.


39 posted on 08/21/2013 11:09:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: NFHale

Great point.


40 posted on 08/21/2013 11:14:17 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: sickoflibs

“...Here we give the food stamps, explosives and pressure cookers, ...”

and taxpayer-funded lawyers.


41 posted on 08/21/2013 12:18:26 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

Russian culture seems to disapprove of faggotry, the religious and non-religious alike.


42 posted on 08/21/2013 2:14:57 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

The Russians haven’t endured 20 or more years of relentless propaganda on TV from schools and music industry and the culture. Our society is a victim of vicious Nazi-like propaganda promoting pure evil as normal


43 posted on 08/21/2013 2:18:09 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

Communism is emasculating enough without adding perv world to it.


44 posted on 08/21/2013 2:43:43 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.

Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So, according to this, taking a second wife is adultery.


You have twisted all 3 verses.

The first 2 in the OT are SPECIFICALLY talking about a KING as shown in the verse prior to the first you quoted: "Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.

The NT verse says "put away his wife", which is not part of the discussion. The discussion was about PLURAL WIVES, meaning more than 1 at the same time, not divorcing and re-marrying.

Now here's one to chew on:

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:8
45 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:15 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

***”And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom,***

If you will study ancient history you will find that wives were given as hostages in treaty negotiations with nations and tribes around them. Also, when a new king came to power he took the first king’s wives as proof of the new king’s authority.

Please note that Absalom went into David’s wives before he was killed and David put away those wives.

Also, plural wives and concubines caused all sorts of problems. Abraham was given Hagar, by Sarah herself, and this has caused all sorts of problems today.

Jacob worked for Rachael but was forced to take Leah by her father. This caused all sorts of family problems with each forcing Jacob to take their handmaidens. There was NO peace in that family.

Gideon had many wives and look what happened to all of his sons! No peace in that family.

David had many wives and look at what happened in that family! Intrigue, treason, fear of your life as it was the norm for a new king to kill the offspring of the the other wives’ kids to prevent one from trying to ursurp the throne.
Thus the intrigue of Nathan trying to get Solomon on the throne instead of Adonijah.

When Adonijah desired the maid of David for a wife, Solomon had him killed because taking this maid would have been seen by the public as a proclamation that Adonijah was the true king with David’s “wife”, even though she was just a bed warmer.

God had warned against these problems put they were ignored by the desires of men, and this is what Jesus was saying.

Moses allowed it because of the hardness of their hearts.

AGAIN! Look at the words of JESUS!

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:

NOW! If an old boy marries a woman, then marries another woman (Number 2) is it lawful in GOD”s eyes, or is some dispensation given if he did not put away his first wife before marrying his second?

This thread is about same sex marriage. This is a discussion for another thread.


46 posted on 08/22/2013 6:47:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
NOW! If an old boy marries a woman, then marries another woman (Number 2) is it lawful in GOD”s eyes, or is some dispensation given if he did not put away his first wife before marrying his second?

Going by the regulations that were given as part of the law, I would have to say "yes". I can only go by what the Bible says, not what I want it to say or you or anyone else wants it to say.

Use some simple logic here. If Jesus meant it was adultery to have 2 wives at the same time, why didn't He just say that? Then the verse would read something like "Whosoever shall have a wife and shall marry another, committeth adultery" but He didn't say that. He put in a qualifier that if you "put away your first wife" THEN marry a second you have committed adultery.

As to your first point about where the extra wives came from for David, it matters not. Wives are wives and they were then in every sense of the word.
47 posted on 08/22/2013 8:48:14 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

John has a wife. He does not like her and divorces her. He then marries another woman.

He has commited adultery.

Bill has a wife. He does not like her but does not divorce her. He then takes another wife. THIS IS NOT ADULTERY?


48 posted on 08/22/2013 9:09:23 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Bill has a wife. He does not like her but does not divorce her. He then takes another wife. THIS IS NOT ADULTERY?

According to the OT that would be wrong, not because he married another wife, but because he did not "like" her. If he marries a second wife, but loves them both and shows no favoritism, then that is not adultery.

Again, maybe it's not something you or I like or would do...but I didn't write the book.
49 posted on 08/23/2013 3:17:36 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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