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Morning Examiner: The day amnesty died
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 8/21/13 | Conn Carroll

Posted on 08/21/2013 7:04:56 AM PDT by cotton1706

Conservative talk radio may not have killed amnesty this time around, but it definitely helped liberals realize they’ve already lost.

On Tuesday, House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said the following to conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt:

In my opinion if you, after you have the borders secure and these enforcement mechanisms in place. If you were to do something, I would start first of all with children who were brought here illegally by their parents. They’ve grown up here. They’ve been educated here. They are ready to face the world and they have no documents. I think there’s a more compelling argument to be made for them. But, even for them, I would say that they get a legal status in the United States and not a pathway to citizenship that is created especially for them.

Salon’s Brian Beutler flagged the interview, and in a post titled Immigration reform just got punched in the gut, Beutler wrote, “How likely is immigration reform to become law if the Republican with the most immediate power to shape the legislation opposes citizenship for current immigrants? I’d say not very likely — not without him and the contingent in the party he speaks for getting tossed under the bus.”

Beutler’s analysis was quickly seconded by Talking Points Memo‘s Sahil Kapur, The Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent, and The Huffington Post‘s Elise Foley.

But the harshest assessment came from Talking Points Memo editor Josh Marshall, who, in a post titled “Immigration Reformers, Wake the F’ Up!“, wrote:

I get that it’s difficult for immigration reformers to see and accept the writing on the wall — that reform is likely dead in this Congress. … But pretending this isn’t the case is actually damaging the prospects of reform.

It makes all the tactical and strategic sense in the world to take this out of the confusing arcana of Washington’s intentionally obfuscating procedural maze and put it back into the political realm where it belongs. In other words, stop pretending that the GOP House’s hardening resolve to kill the Senate bill is going to change and take this whole question back to the people looking forward to the 2014 election.

Unfortunately, as The Post’s Sargent writes in a separate item, winning that argument is highly unlikely. Democrats need to pick up 17 seats to take back the House, but there are only eight Republican-held seats that Democrats have a chance of winning that also have Latino populations above 10 percent. Sargent concludes, “If Republicans do kill immigration reform, we may have to wait awhile before we see the electoral consequences of it for the party. We’ll all but certainly have to wait until after 2014.”

When Congress comes back in September, it will be consumed by talk of defunding Obamacare, government shutdowns, and defaulting on the nation’s debt. With only nine working days left in the House before the current government funding authority runs out on September 30th, it is highly unlikely the House will debate, let alone vote on, immigration at all.

Until immigration advocates give up their quest to confer citizenship on millions of individuals who entered the U.S. illegally, amnesty is functionally dead.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 08/21/2013 7:04:56 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
“How likely is immigration reform to become law if the Republican with the most immediate power to shape the legislation opposes citizenship for current immigrants?

And conversely, if they can't get them citizenship and sign them up as Democrat voters, the Dems apparently feel "screw 'em, let 'em stay in the shadows, we don't care about their fate as individuals".


2 posted on 08/21/2013 7:08:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cotton1706

i don’t fully believe this... as much as i want to... i thought that about the Senate and got punched in the gut when it passed...


3 posted on 08/21/2013 7:10:02 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: cotton1706
Never underestimate the ability of the GOP-E to screw things up.

/johnny

4 posted on 08/21/2013 7:14:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

The UNDENIABLE FACT in all this amnesty appeasement in dubbing our “immigration system is broken” is that a device or system CANNOT be broken if you do not USE it.

Obviously, the current immigration control system isn’t working, but it is not working because Obama, Holder and Napolitano WOULD NOT ENFORCE THE LAW.

I told my congressman that I didn’t want him to do a damned thing regarding immigration beyond enforce current, on-the-books immigration laws. I don’t give a crap about Hispanics or what they think about illegals; I don’t care if new laws would ‘bring them to the GOP fold’. If they can’t see the value in conservatism, then eff them.


5 posted on 08/21/2013 7:17:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: cotton1706
If you were to do something, I would start first of all with children who were brought here illegally by their parents. They’ve grown up here. They’ve been educated here. They are ready to face the world and they have no documents. I think there’s a more compelling argument to be made for them. But, even for them, I would say that they get a legal status in the United States and not a pathway to citizenship that is created especially for them.

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers, including children, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.

Goodlatte is playing word games. And does he really think that legalizing the status of the "children" without a pathway to citizenship will not be a political issue for the Dems and La Raza? And what do we do with their parents? And will this be a rolling amnesty, i.e., as long as the children get here, they will be legalized?

The McRubio-Schumer amnesty bill puts no age limit on the children. They could have been brought here 40 years ago and still get amnesty. Why can't the "children" be repatriated with their parents.

6 posted on 08/21/2013 7:18:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: latina4dubya

“i don’t fully believe this... as much as i want to”

I don’t either. However, when you see the liberals start to talk in depressing terms, things are going in the right direction. And as things get closer and closer to an election year, politicians go wobbly, and in this case, they’re going wobbly in the right direction i.e. not falling for the democrats’ latest scheme.


7 posted on 08/21/2013 7:19:47 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
As for amnesty being dead, I would not count my chickens before they hatch. Boner, Cantor, and Ryan will surprise us, or maybe it will not be a surprise to some of us.

They don't call it the STUPID PARTY for nothing.


8 posted on 08/21/2013 7:26:03 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: cotton1706

Bump.

Bring back American jobs, limit the number of new immigrants.

Bump.

:D


9 posted on 08/21/2013 7:28:00 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Buckeye McFrog
And conversely, if they can't get them citizenship and sign them up as Democrat voters, the Dems apparently feel "screw 'em, let 'em stay in the shadows, we don't care about their fate as individuals".

Couldn't have said it better. The truth is out there, but it seems as alien to the average voter as anything on the X-files.

10 posted on 08/21/2013 7:31:30 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: cotton1706
I ain't buying that the Disenfranchisment of American Voters Act is buried for 2013, until 11:59:59PM on 12/31/2013.

.... and even then, I'll be sweating that last second.

11 posted on 08/21/2013 7:36:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: cotton1706
are you surprised?
12 posted on 08/21/2013 7:36:55 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: Drawn7979

“are you surprised?”

I am actually surprised to see these articles. They’re either telegraphing their depression or sending danger signals, or both.

I actually think the Obamacare defunding business is deflating the immigration reform balloon. They had a timetable in mind and a budget battle will screw all that up. Damn that Cruz and his unshakable principles, heh heh.


13 posted on 08/21/2013 7:44:20 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Ain’t no such thing as “undocumented”—PERIOD.

The ILLEGALS here have documents—all of them—just not documents from the U, S, of A is all.

Their documents are from their countries of origin—like Mehhiccoo, Guatamala, Neecarawawa, Peru, Equidor..............WHERE THEY BELONG.


14 posted on 08/21/2013 7:50:05 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: cotton1706; All
Conn Caroll doesn't get out much.

Goodlatte said the EXACT SAME THING in June, and no one put an obituary on amnesty...

REP. GOODLATTE (R-VA): HOUSE GOP WILL BACK 'PATHWAY TO LEGALIZATION,' NOT 'PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP'

Don't be fooled. The GOP-E is as committed as ever to forcing through an amnesty bill. The "citizenship" keyword is just a red herring.

15 posted on 08/21/2013 8:01:55 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: cotton1706

I think there should be a path to citizenship, via a satisfactory completed four year tour in the US military.

As part of their induction *into* the military, they must take a written test to demonstrate English language proficiency and literacy, a written test on the US constitution, and must pass a military drivers exam. Study guides for this purpose should be made freely available to them. As is the case right now, they may not have any previous convictions for felonies or serious misdemeanors.

After four years and honorable discharge, they will have clearly risen to the level of deserving citizenship. If they choose to reenlist, and the military wants them, they will reenlist as US citizens.


16 posted on 08/21/2013 8:10:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: cotton1706
But, even for them, I would say that they get a legal status in the United States and not a pathway to citizenship that is created especially for them.

Let me try this: These illegal sons and daughters here for over 15 years, over 18 years of age, can stay on legal status, but the rest of your clan, immediate deportation...get out!

17 posted on 08/21/2013 9:17:52 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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