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Australia’s lecture on gun control not backed by facts
Small Government Times ^ | 2013-08-24 | Steve Adcock

Posted on 08/24/2013 12:10:03 PM PDT by sdnet

Soon after the completely senseless murder of an Australian athlete in Oklahoma, former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer pleaded with Australian tourists to boycott the United States due to our supposed proliferation of guns which, as Mr. Fischer evidently believes, leads to an increase in violence and crime.

“I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers [but] it’s a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA,” he said. The problem with Mr. Fischer’s statement? The data simply does not support his accusation, and even statistics from Mr. Fischer’s own country reinforces how little of an effect gun control truly has.

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TOPICS: Government; Society
KEYWORDS: australia; banglist; chrislane; guncontrol; oklahoma; secondamendment

1 posted on 08/24/2013 12:10:03 PM PDT by sdnet
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To: sdnet

They should put this guy on the watch list.


2 posted on 08/24/2013 12:32:36 PM PDT by microgood
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To: sdnet
The Aussies say:

You can pry my knife from my cold dead hands. . . . . .

3 posted on 08/24/2013 12:33:50 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Obummer don't Care. . . .)
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To: sdnet

Australia has a different legal system and political culture. So, if they like gun control, they can have it. But, to say that our right to own a gun is responsible for that young man’s death is to discount the real reason for this crime — evil. The thugs who killed this nice young man were evil. The gun had no responsibility for the crime. These creeps could have just as easily killed the victim using their car, a tire iron, a baseball bat, a knife, a rock etc. None of those inanimate objects would have been responsible in that case either. It was the evil thugs who took the young man’s life who are solely responsible. If the Australian politician were to blame the thug culture that surrounded these criminals or lack of parenting, etc. he would have some justification for his comments, but lashing out at an inanimate object and our 2nd Amendment right makes no sense at all.


4 posted on 08/24/2013 1:02:07 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Restoration of the Republic)
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To: 3Fingas
What about the two black teenagers who beat a white WWII wounded veteran to death with flashlights? Do we now ban flashlights.
This obviously was a hate crime, another black on white senseless attack? Which youth is Obama now?
5 posted on 08/24/2013 1:28:12 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Kozy

There is a real problem of black on white violence and everyone knows it, even black people. This type of crime is so common that it rarely even draws any media attention anymore. If not for conservative media, this crime would have surely been covered up completely. As it stands now, they (officialdom) are attempting to bury both this murder of one of our valiant world war 2 vets and the tragic killing of an Australian youth, who, by all accounts, had a very bright future in front of him. It makes me sick — all of this deliberate deception and cowardice by our public officials. Sooner of later, there will an accounting and this 40 year-long problem of black on white violence will have to end.


6 posted on 08/24/2013 1:35:19 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Restoration of the Republic)
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To: sdnet
i completely agree with your claim about the lack of statistical authority of mr fisher's statement. i am an australian and think that not only is the guy misguided but he's totally moronic for suggesting a boycott of the u.s.a.
i bet any money the murder weapon in the oklahoma killing was not a legally registered weapon and the shooter was not a legal gun owner.
as per the script these days fisher wants to turn to the (left leaning) issue of gun control and divert attention from the criminals. this is odd considering the guy was a member of the australian liberal party / national party coalition (they are our conservative parties). it's trendy to be anti guns in oz - the american gun culture is ridiculed and blamed for all gun related crime. gee if only you lived in a gun free country like australia where we are crime free (didn't you know?!) - some of the most draconian gun laws in the entire world and yet still there are these teeny tiny problems with murder, rape, robbery, drugs, bashings... and big surprise our criminals are armed, with guns??
take it from your aussie cousins, just ban guns and america can live in a crime free utopia just like we do.
7 posted on 08/24/2013 3:23:42 PM PDT by dpl1972
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To: 3Fingas

Well said, Fingas.


8 posted on 08/24/2013 3:23:42 PM PDT by sdnet
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To: sdnet

I completely agree with your claim about the lack of statistical authority of Mr. Fisher’s statement. I am an Australian and believe that not only is the guy misguided but he’s totally moronic for urging a boycott of the U.S.A.
To argue it was guns that were to blame for the Oklahoma murder and not the criminals themselves is ridiculous and somewhat perplexing given that Fisher was a member of the Liberal Party / National Party coalition (these are our conservative parties).
Gee, if only you lived in a gun free country like Australia you would have no crime. Australia has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the world but the funny thing is that we have these teeny tiny little problems called murder, rape, robbery, drugs, bashings and they’re happening every day all over our country. Weird thing is that loads of our criminals are armed - go figure Mr. Fisher??


9 posted on 08/24/2013 3:23:42 PM PDT by dpl1972
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i bet any money the murder weapon in the oklahoma killing was not a legally registered weapon and the shooter was not a legal gun owner.

Firearms are not required to be registered in Oklahoma with the exception of those falling under the federal National Firearms Act of 1934 (i.e. real machine guns and sawed off shotguns). Since the shooters were minors, it was illegal for them possess the firearm (18 for rifles/shotguns, 21 for handguns). Many of our western states (not counting California) have very little restriction on firearm purchasing and ownership.

10 posted on 08/24/2013 3:31:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The point is for our Australian friend’s benefit that it was not legal for these minors to purchase or possess these firearms. So, they and whomever provided the firearms to them, broke several federal and state laws just by having those weapons. Point is also that, they, being criminals who cavort with other criminals, don’t care about said laws.


11 posted on 08/24/2013 3:46:42 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Since the shooters were minors, it was illegal for them possess the firearm (18 for rifles/shotguns, 21 for handguns).

And I used to go to the quarry and do some shooting when I was 16 - old Marlin .22 rifle and Remington 12 gauge - and unsupervised. That in Rochester, NY and never a problem. Goes to show that putting extra restrictions doesn't help because gun crime seems to increase exponentially with the addition of illegal restrictions to the Second...

12 posted on 08/25/2013 3:55:35 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Yes, but things were different not so long ago. I carried a rifle through my high school when I was 14 because the range was in the basement.


13 posted on 08/25/2013 4:40:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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