Skip to comments.Contempt for illegal drug use blinds American public to alternatives
Posted on 08/25/2013 8:46:19 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Please do not be guilty of the above when considering the legalization of all recreational drugs. Anyone is legally permitted to kill himself slowly with tobacco, once addicted. Equally, a person may legally drink himself to death and/or wreck the lives of those around him with a bottle a day. For such people we have compassion. But for the users of illegal drugs, most of us have only contempt.
It is difficult (impossible, actually) to understand the logic of making certain drugs illegal. Apart from legality, what is the difference between smoking a joint and having a beer? Further, doing a line of cocaine makes for an apt comparison with having a dry martini. Oh, the gateway routine? Well, weed may be a gateway drug but Budweiser and nicotine are the gateways to weed. Shall we continue this line of reasoning??
Society is visited with problems from both legal and illegal drugs but the illegal ones support a criminal culture that is bankrupting...
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Actually, it's more like having a few beers, but the idea of the federal government making a common plant illegal is ridiculous.
If people could grow their intoxicant in the back yard, Anheuser Busch would sell less beer...follow the money.
It probably boils down to money and power. There’s no logic that supports the current laws.
Ask a drug warrior to research the consumption habits of the founders sometime and then watch as the excuses flow.
I am not a drug fan. I am a truth fan.
Nobody is suggesting that I pay for “medicinal” Marlboros for the poor.
The morons who have supported the current drug laws are too stupid and dumb to see how they have boosted entrenching crime by sending drug users to prison and initiating them into lives of crime once they mingle with hardcore criminals there.
A natural substance with popular demand, when banned, will create an underground market that will fuel gangs and criminal organisation. The lessons from Prohibition have completely escaped these nitwits.
Wrong we have pity. But we do have contempt for pushers. And we recognize that jail time is a deterrent.
"t is difficult (impossible, actually) to understand the logic of making certain drugs illegal. Apart from legality, what is the difference between smoking a joint and having a beer? Further, doing a line of cocaine makes for an apt comparison with having a dry martini. Oh, the gateway routine? Well, weed may be a gateway drug but Budweiser and nicotine are the gateways to weed. Shall we continue this line of reasoning?? "
Marijuana causes bipolar and schitzophrenia is a big difference.
And yes, let's continue the reasoning. Are you going to allow drugs so addictive that one use virtually assures you are addicted? Or hard drugs like LSD and bath salts. Drugs that cause permanent brain damage?
If not, then we are just talking about where to draw the line. And if the line has to be drawn somewhere, then it seems to me that drawing the line after alcohol and tobacco is a pretty good place.
Society doesn’t need any more intoxicants.
The more the stigma of using intoxicants is removed, the more young people are going to be impacted by their mind dulling, motivation killing qualities.
Despite the howls of protest, the use of “recreational drugs” is a clear gateway to addictive “hard” drugs.
This isn’t some libertarian, individual “right”, as the impacts to society are long term and severe.
Look at the cultures that have tried the libertarian approach.
Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands.....
100% agreement here. You can get flamed here over this topic though...be warned.
Indeed! There is no logic.
Prohibition merely creates black markets for the prohibited substances and encourages the growth of organized crime and the corruption of police, legislators, and rule of law.
Decades of the War on Drugs has not improved matters one jot. It is time to try something different.
Back to work EBT card provider! You got 40 oz and a pack of Marlboros to buy for several peeps today!
Here’s my line: Antibiotics
Antibiotics are the only drug that should need a prescription and regulation. Why? Because the misuse of antibiotics causes organism resistance which endangers everyone.
Other than that, no line is needed.
There is even evidence that smoking helps malaria but there has been no “medical cigarette” to help malaria.
Thus proving that the drug sodden dickheads rank right up there with the rest of the EBT leeches.
Contempt for ______________ blinds public to alternatives.
murder, rape, child molestation....
Pay attention, they’re already talking about subsidizing “medical” marijuana for the poor.
Beer is the ultimate gateway drug.
Marijuana is benign compared to tobacco and alcohol. Legalize it. Tax it.
Did you miss the alarm clock today.....
Been there done that. We live in a semi begin totalitarian police state now!
Just how more illegal do they have to declare Christians before we dismantle the oppression!!!!
The longer you have paramilitary forces deployed against your citizens the more citizens you will have to declare illegal.
First they came for the intoxicated people, and we helped destroy their lives!
Yeah, I've looked at those and their curious lack of growing paramilitary police states all in the name of people not being able to mind their own business.
How do you subsidize, dirt, water, and sunshine!!
“Contempt for illegal drug use blinds American public to alternatives”.
Why not make the headline, “Contempt for law blinds drug users to alternatives”?
Did you miss the alarm clock today.....
It was an hour ahead today for some reason.
They will need to dope up over half the population to start taking away the guns for their master plan.
Yes, I forgot about the well recorded history of the united states being nation of drug crazed zombies up until the 2nd decade of the 20th century. Oh, wait....
>> Marijuana causes bipolar and schitzophrenia <<
Never heard that before. What’s your evidence?
That is, unless you are addicted to big government.
The war on drugs is just as goofy as the gun control issue. (Chicago is the poster city for repealing strict gun laws.) Why do people continue to support legislation that doesn’t work and is, in fact, counterproductive? (The citizens, not the people who stand to gain from such legislation.) You really hit it on the head!
Didn't work in Colorado!
Again you have overslept! Where have you been the past 5 years!
Let go of your anger and hate towards the poor lost souls addicted to drugs. Murdering them, and enslaving them is not the solution.
And just as unconstitutional at the federal level.
If it wasn't for beer, ugly women wouldn't be getting any at 2:00 AM!
Really? I have known the entire spectrum of addicts. The only ones I have compassion for are those who have faced up to their demons and are trying to stay clean and sober.
I am fairly sure I am not the only one who looks at it this way.
When you start your rant with either dishonesty or stupidity it leads me to believe you don't know what you are talking about.
I am for legalizing all such drugs, under the following conditions:
- Any crime committed under the influence is punished with a torture penalty equal to three-fold the damage back to the perp (it’s biblical)—no “temporary insanity” defense allowed;
- The person, family, or friends of persons hurt can volunteer to provide the punishment;
- No governmental welfare, including medical help, can be provided to help or cure the person.
I think this would go a long way toward responsible drug use.
Your police state tactics aren't going to change thousands of years of human behavior.
The law underlying the law is called the “social sanction”. These are the consensus agreements with most of the public, and they do differ based on where you live.
The closest the SCOTUS has ever come to recognizing the social sanction is when it threw up its hands when trying to create rules about pornography. It concluded that there couldn’t be a universally applied law in the US, that “local standards” would determine whether a given things was legal or illegal.
I mention this with respect to “unauthorized drugs”, because while *now* they are illegal, if they become legal, the social sanction will have to write the rules about their use.
For example, forbidden using drugs while driving, operating machinery, working with small children, carrying guns, or engaged with other things that need a clear head for safety reasons.
Importantly, social sanction rules cannot be easily ignored like the written law, because once a public agreement has been reached, just about everyone tries to enforce the sanction.
A clear example of this, again for example, is if someone donned a t-shirt that said “I like to molest children!”, before walking down a busy sidewalk. Even though what he was doing is legal, the social sanction would demand that people confront him about it. Even violently.
So the proper use of unauthorized drugs could only be done in the framework of what the public imagines.
Sorry. After having dealt with and treated ten’s of thousands of ‘convicted’ drug addicts over 20+ years, the ‘gateway’ drug for over 80% of them was——alcohol. Alcohol abuse impacts society multiple times greater than ‘drugs’. Now the basic question is; As an consenting adult supposedly solely responsible for the ALL the consequences of your choices, WHO owns your body?
There’s a lot of that going around.
I do not support the takeover or George Soros plans. I don't know how you got that idea. I was one of the lost souls. I am warning that the governments plan is to dope up the population to get their way like passing the medical marijuana laws in Colorado.
I would have no problem with this IF I weren’t paying for it. If somebody wants to do drugs and die in a gutter that’s fine. However, as things go right now I have to pay for their treatment. I also pay for the food stamps that are sold for cash with which to buy the drugs. Eliminate all welfare- including Medicare, Medicaid, obamacare, Social Security, SNAP, WIC, etc.- and we’ll talk legalization of drugs. And I don’t care if you did pay into it, Medicare and SS are back door welfare programs.
Same with war on poverty, etc....
How much of the Constitution do we have to give up to make you happy? And even after trashing the Constitution, people will STILL be using drugs anyway.
Because mj intoxication is addictive and dangerous in a way that beer isn’t. And mj is also one of the sacraments of the Left.
All unconstitutional usurpations by the federal government. They do need to be eliminated, and the fed stuffed back in the constitutional box.
I'm the last person to defend mj use. I've seen brilliant people throw away their futures because of it. But the idea of making it a crime to personally grow and use a common plant--one that is easier to grow than a tomato plant--is stupid and a waste of resources.
“Put federal government back in the constitutional box.
That is, unless you are addicted to big government.”
DING, DING, DING, DING. We have a winner!
It is sad, but true: many who call themselves “conservative” really do love big government, and do not accept the limitations of enumerated powers in Art. 1 Section 8.
I’d go along with free crack, meth, heroin, etc. for addicts if we could also send them to the vacated Gulags in Siberia. They could have all the drugs they want once there, but for anything else they might need to survive, will that would be up to them to scrape together.
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