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Contempt for illegal drug use blinds American public to alternatives
Coach is Right ^ | 8/25/13 | Bruce Karlson

Posted on 08/25/2013 8:46:19 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

Please do not be guilty of the above when considering the legalization of all recreational drugs. Anyone is legally permitted to kill himself slowly with tobacco, once addicted. Equally, a person may legally drink himself to death and/or wreck the lives of those around him with a bottle a day. For such people we have compassion. But for the users of illegal drugs, most of us have only contempt.

It is difficult (impossible, actually) to understand the logic of making certain drugs illegal. Apart from legality, what is the difference between smoking a “joint” and having a beer? Further, doing a “line” of cocaine makes for an apt comparison with having a dry martini. Oh, the “gateway” routine? Well, weed may be a “gateway” drug but Budweiser and nicotine are the “gateways” to weed. Shall we continue this line of reasoning??

Society is visited with problems from both legal and illegal drugs but the illegal ones support a criminal culture that is bankrupting...

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1 posted on 08/25/2013 8:46:19 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
what is the difference between smoking a “joint” and having a beer?

Actually, it's more like having a few beers, but the idea of the federal government making a common plant illegal is ridiculous.

2 posted on 08/25/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

If people could grow their intoxicant in the back yard, Anheuser Busch would sell less beer...follow the money.


3 posted on 08/25/2013 8:50:10 AM PDT by axxmann (If McCain is conservative then I'm a freakin' anarchist.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

It probably boils down to money and power. There’s no logic that supports the current laws.


4 posted on 08/25/2013 8:51:27 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: Jeff Chandler
William F. Buckley on cigarettes, illegal drug and hypocrisy
5 posted on 08/25/2013 8:53:34 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ask a drug warrior to research the consumption habits of the founders sometime and then watch as the excuses flow.

I am not a drug fan. I am a truth fan.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 8:56:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Oldpuppymax

Nobody is suggesting that I pay for “medicinal” Marlboros for the poor.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 8:57:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The morons who have supported the current drug laws are too stupid and dumb to see how they have boosted entrenching crime by sending drug users to prison and initiating them into lives of crime once they mingle with hardcore criminals there.

A natural substance with popular demand, when banned, will create an underground market that will fuel gangs and criminal organisation. The lessons from Prohibition have completely escaped these nitwits.


8 posted on 08/25/2013 8:59:01 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
"But for the users of illegal drugs, most of us have only contempt."

Wrong we have pity. But we do have contempt for pushers. And we recognize that jail time is a deterrent.

"t is difficult (impossible, actually) to understand the logic of making certain drugs illegal. Apart from legality, what is the difference between smoking a “joint” and having a beer? Further, doing a “line” of cocaine makes for an apt comparison with having a dry martini. Oh, the “gateway” routine? Well, weed may be a “gateway” drug but Budweiser and nicotine are the “gateways” to weed. Shall we continue this line of reasoning?? "

Marijuana causes bipolar and schitzophrenia is a big difference.

And yes, let's continue the reasoning. Are you going to allow drugs so addictive that one use virtually assures you are addicted? Or hard drugs like LSD and bath salts. Drugs that cause permanent brain damage?

If not, then we are just talking about where to draw the line. And if the line has to be drawn somewhere, then it seems to me that drawing the line after alcohol and tobacco is a pretty good place.

9 posted on 08/25/2013 9:00:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Oldpuppymax

Society doesn’t need any more intoxicants.

The more the stigma of using intoxicants is removed, the more young people are going to be impacted by their mind dulling, motivation killing qualities.

Despite the howls of protest, the use of “recreational drugs” is a clear gateway to addictive “hard” drugs.

This isn’t some libertarian, individual “right”, as the impacts to society are long term and severe.
Look at the cultures that have tried the libertarian approach.
Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands.....


10 posted on 08/25/2013 9:04:14 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Jeff Chandler

100% agreement here. You can get flamed here over this topic though...be warned.


11 posted on 08/25/2013 9:04:40 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Silentgypsy

Indeed! There is no logic.

Prohibition merely creates black markets for the prohibited substances and encourages the growth of organized crime and the corruption of police, legislators, and rule of law.

Decades of the War on Drugs has not improved matters one jot. It is time to try something different.


12 posted on 08/25/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Oldpuppymax
This link explains why illegal drugs are illegal:

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/opium.htm

The destructive nature of opium was well known at the time of the Opium Wars. Opium is highly addictive, and induces passivity into the smoker. Addicts seldom lived past age fifty; heavy smokers had a life expectancy of only five years.

The drug was widely used in Britain itself, even by the Royal Family, as shown by revelations that Queen Victoria's court frequently ordered opium from the royal apothecary at Balmoral. In England, where opium was legal, the cause of the exceptionally high infant mortality rate in one Lancashire town was discovered to be a concoction, called ``Godfrey's Cordial,'' a cough syrup containing opium which was given to babies, often in lethal doses.

While a prosperous Chinese official could afford opium addiction, a Chinese worker would spend two-thirds of his wages, neglecting his family. Many Chinese saw opium as a poison introduced by foreign enemies. In 1729, the Emperor banned the import of opium, except for a small amount, licensed as medicine. In 1799 a stronger Imperial decree was issued prohibiting both the smoking of opium and its importation. This decree stated:

``Foreigners obviously derive the most solid profits and advantages ... but that our countrymen should pursue this destructive and ensnaring vice ... is indeed odious and deplorable.''

Confucianism strongly condemned the use of drugs like opium. Gottfried Leibniz (1646-1716), the great German mathematician, physicist and philosopher, who wrote extensively on China, recognized that Confucianism contained many of the most positive features of Christianity. Leibniz worked for an ecumenical alliance between Confucianism and Christianity. In Confucianism, a man had a duty and debt to his ancestors. His body was given to him by his ancestors as their link to his descendants. Therefore, for a man to destroy his own body was a great offense against filial piety.


I guess the numbskulls in this country need a refresher course from time to time.
13 posted on 08/25/2013 9:06:10 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Oldpuppymax
George Soros and others spend large amounts of money to get drugs legalized. The more doped up people there are the easier the take over is. The government has little will to stop drugs or illegal immigration or really anything Illegal. This causes a lot of innocent victims to get caught up in conditions they can not control.
14 posted on 08/25/2013 9:06:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: cripplecreek
>Nobody is suggesting that I pay for “medicinal” Marlboros for the poor.

Wanna bet

Back to work EBT card provider! You got 40 oz and a pack of Marlboros to buy for several peeps today!

15 posted on 08/25/2013 9:07:51 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: DannyTN

Here’s my line: Antibiotics

Antibiotics are the only drug that should need a prescription and regulation. Why? Because the misuse of antibiotics causes organism resistance which endangers everyone.

Other than that, no line is needed.


16 posted on 08/25/2013 9:08:58 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: cripplecreek
Nobody is suggesting that I pay for “medicinal” Marlboros for the poor.

There is even evidence that smoking helps malaria but there has been no “medical cigarette” to help malaria.

17 posted on 08/25/2013 9:09:08 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Thus proving that the drug sodden dickheads rank right up there with the rest of the EBT leeches.


18 posted on 08/25/2013 9:12:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Contempt for ______________ blinds public to alternatives.

murder, rape, child molestation....


19 posted on 08/25/2013 9:13:40 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: mountainlion

Pay attention, they’re already talking about subsidizing “medical” marijuana for the poor.


20 posted on 08/25/2013 9:13:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: G Larry

Beer is the ultimate gateway drug.


21 posted on 08/25/2013 9:16:25 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DannyTN

Marijuana is benign compared to tobacco and alcohol. Legalize it. Tax it.


22 posted on 08/25/2013 9:18:45 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: mountainlion
The more doped up people there are the easier the take over is.

Did you miss the alarm clock today.....

Been there done that. We live in a semi begin totalitarian police state now!

Just how more illegal do they have to declare Christians before we dismantle the oppression!!!!

The longer you have paramilitary forces deployed against your citizens the more citizens you will have to declare illegal.

First they came for the intoxicated people, and we helped destroy their lives!

23 posted on 08/25/2013 9:19:53 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: G Larry
Look at the cultures that have tried the libertarian approach. Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands.....

Yeah, I've looked at those and their curious lack of growing paramilitary police states all in the name of people not being able to mind their own business.

24 posted on 08/25/2013 9:21:23 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: cripplecreek

How do you subsidize, dirt, water, and sunshine!!


25 posted on 08/25/2013 9:21:34 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Contempt for illegal drug use blinds American public to alternatives”.

Why not make the headline, “Contempt for law blinds drug users to alternatives”?


26 posted on 08/25/2013 9:23:27 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Did you miss the alarm clock today.....

It was an hour ahead today for some reason.

They will need to dope up over half the population to start taking away the guns for their master plan.


27 posted on 08/25/2013 9:23:45 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Yes, I forgot about the well recorded history of the united states being nation of drug crazed zombies up until the 2nd decade of the 20th century. Oh, wait....


28 posted on 08/25/2013 9:24:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: DannyTN

>> Marijuana causes bipolar and schitzophrenia <<

Never heard that before. What’s your evidence?


29 posted on 08/25/2013 9:24:33 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: rawcatslyentist
How do you subsidize, dirt, water, and sunshine!!

Ask a farmer.
30 posted on 08/25/2013 9:25:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: G Larry
My copy of the Constitution leaves out the power to regulate drugs of any sort in Art. 1 Section 8. That is a State police power, and should devolve back to the states. Put federal government back in the constitutional box.

That is, unless you are addicted to big government.

/johnny

31 posted on 08/25/2013 9:27:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: wintertime

The war on drugs is just as goofy as the gun control issue. (Chicago is the poster city for repealing strict gun laws.) Why do people continue to support legislation that doesn’t work and is, in fact, counterproductive? (The citizens, not the people who stand to gain from such legislation.) You really hit it on the head!


32 posted on 08/25/2013 9:27:49 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: mountainlion
They will need to dope up over half the population to start taking away the guns for their master plan.

Didn't work in Colorado!

Again you have overslept! Where have you been the past 5 years!

Let go of your anger and hate towards the poor lost souls addicted to drugs. Murdering them, and enslaving them is not the solution.

33 posted on 08/25/2013 9:27:53 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Silentgypsy
The war on drugs is just as goofy as the gun control issue.

And just as unconstitutional at the federal level.

/johnny

34 posted on 08/25/2013 9:29:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Blackirish
Beer is the ultimate gateway drug.

If it wasn't for beer, ugly women wouldn't be getting any at 2:00 AM!

35 posted on 08/25/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Equally, a person may legally drink himself to death and/or wreck the lives of those around him with a bottle a day. For such people we have compassion.

Really? I have known the entire spectrum of addicts. The only ones I have compassion for are those who have faced up to their demons and are trying to stay clean and sober.

I am fairly sure I am not the only one who looks at it this way.

When you start your rant with either dishonesty or stupidity it leads me to believe you don't know what you are talking about.

36 posted on 08/25/2013 9:30:45 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I am for legalizing all such drugs, under the following conditions:

- Any crime committed under the influence is punished with a torture penalty equal to three-fold the damage back to the perp (it’s biblical)—no “temporary insanity” defense allowed;
- The person, family, or friends of persons hurt can volunteer to provide the punishment;
- No governmental welfare, including medical help, can be provided to help or cure the person.

I think this would go a long way toward responsible drug use.


37 posted on 08/25/2013 9:32:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Opium use has been going on for thousands of years. Opium poppys have been found buried with Egyptian mummies.

Your police state tactics aren't going to change thousands of years of human behavior.

/johnny

38 posted on 08/25/2013 9:33:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The law underlying the law is called the “social sanction”. These are the consensus agreements with most of the public, and they do differ based on where you live.

The closest the SCOTUS has ever come to recognizing the social sanction is when it threw up its hands when trying to create rules about pornography. It concluded that there couldn’t be a universally applied law in the US, that “local standards” would determine whether a given things was legal or illegal.

I mention this with respect to “unauthorized drugs”, because while *now* they are illegal, if they become legal, the social sanction will have to write the rules about their use.

For example, forbidden using drugs while driving, operating machinery, working with small children, carrying guns, or engaged with other things that need a clear head for safety reasons.

Importantly, social sanction rules cannot be easily ignored like the written law, because once a public agreement has been reached, just about everyone tries to enforce the sanction.

A clear example of this, again for example, is if someone donned a t-shirt that said “I like to molest children!”, before walking down a busy sidewalk. Even though what he was doing is legal, the social sanction would demand that people confront him about it. Even violently.

So the proper use of unauthorized drugs could only be done in the framework of what the public imagines.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 9:34:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: G Larry

Sorry. After having dealt with and treated ten’s of thousands of ‘convicted’ drug addicts over 20+ years, the ‘gateway’ drug for over 80% of them was——alcohol. Alcohol abuse impacts society multiple times greater than ‘drugs’. Now the basic question is; As an consenting adult supposedly solely responsible for the ALL the consequences of your choices, WHO owns your body?


40 posted on 08/25/2013 9:34:47 AM PDT by yadent
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To: JRandomFreeper

There’s a lot of that going around.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 9:35:15 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: G Larry
The more the stigma of using intoxicants is removed, the more young people are going to be impacted by their mind dulling, motivation killing qualities.

I honestly can't believe how often we have to go over these same logical flaws, again and again and again. Here's yours: there is a HUGE difference between something being illegal and something having a social stigma. Right now, smoking weed is actually considered COOL precisely BECAUSE it is illegal. That has been true since the 1960s/1970s. Stuffy, stick-up-the-ass morons in Washington DC telling people they can't do something has NOTHING to do with whether people want to do it, but it has everything to do with the government having yet another excuse to send jackboots to raid your house in the middle of the night. Get it yet?
42 posted on 08/25/2013 9:36:04 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: rawcatslyentist
Let go of your anger and hate towards the poor lost souls addicted to drugs. Murdering them, and enslaving them is not the solution.

I do not support the takeover or George Soros plans. I don't know how you got that idea. I was one of the lost souls. I am warning that the governments plan is to dope up the population to get their way like passing the medical marijuana laws in Colorado.

43 posted on 08/25/2013 9:36:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I would have no problem with this IF I weren’t paying for it. If somebody wants to do drugs and die in a gutter that’s fine. However, as things go right now I have to pay for their treatment. I also pay for the food stamps that are sold for cash with which to buy the drugs. Eliminate all welfare- including Medicare, Medicaid, obamacare, Social Security, SNAP, WIC, etc.- and we’ll talk legalization of drugs. And I don’t care if you did pay into it, Medicare and SS are back door welfare programs.


44 posted on 08/25/2013 9:42:55 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
What part of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to regulate drugs? That's a State police power that the feds have usurped with the help of so-called conservatives in their war on drugs.

Same with war on poverty, etc....

How much of the Constitution do we have to give up to make you happy? And even after trashing the Constitution, people will STILL be using drugs anyway.

/johnny

45 posted on 08/25/2013 9:48:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Because mj intoxication is addictive and dangerous in a way that beer isn’t. And mj is also one of the sacraments of the Left.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 9:49:37 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: goodwithagun
Eliminate all welfare- including Medicare, Medicaid, obamacare, Social Security, SNAP, WIC, etc

All unconstitutional usurpations by the federal government. They do need to be eliminated, and the fed stuffed back in the constitutional box.

/johnny

47 posted on 08/25/2013 9:49:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kabumpo
Because mj intoxication is addictive and dangerous in a way that beer isn’t.

I'm the last person to defend mj use. I've seen brilliant people throw away their futures because of it. But the idea of making it a crime to personally grow and use a common plant--one that is easier to grow than a tomato plant--is stupid and a waste of resources.

48 posted on 08/25/2013 9:54:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Put federal government back in the constitutional box.
That is, unless you are addicted to big government.”

DING, DING, DING, DING. We have a winner!

It is sad, but true: many who call themselves “conservative” really do love big government, and do not accept the limitations of enumerated powers in Art. 1 Section 8.


49 posted on 08/25/2013 9:55:24 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Oldpuppymax

I’d go along with free crack, meth, heroin, etc. for addicts if we could also send them to the vacated Gulags in Siberia. They could have all the drugs they want once there, but for anything else they might need to survive, will that would be up to them to scrape together.


50 posted on 08/25/2013 9:59:44 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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