CATO Institute & Daily Caller Declares Foreign-Born Persons Eligible To Be President
Article, then check out # 9.
Thanks, CC Posse Supporter.
Posted on 08/27/2013 2:27:12 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
As we head into a potential government shutdown over the funding of Obamacare, the iconoclastic junior senator from Texas — love him or hate him — continues to stride across the national stage. With his presidential aspirations as big as everything in his home state, by now many know what has never been a secret: Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
But does that mean that Cruz’s presidential ambitions are gummed up with maple syrup or stuck in snowdrifts altogether different from those plaguing the Iowa caucuses? Are the birthers now hoist on their own petards, having been unable to find any proof that President Obama was born outside the United States but forcing their comrade-in-boots to disqualify himself by releasing his Alberta birth certificate?
No, actually, and it’s not even that complicated; you just have to look up the right law. It boils down to whether Cruz is a “natural born citizen” of the United States, the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency. (The Founding Fathers didn’t want their newly independent nation to be taken over by foreigners on the sly.)
What’s a “natural born citizen”? The Constitution doesn’t say, but the Framers’ understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents — in a manner regulated by federal law — and birth within the nation’s territory regardless of parental citizenship. The Supreme Court has confirmed that definition on multiple occasions in various contexts.
Snip~
So the one remaining question is whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. That’s an easy one. The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become “nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.”
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
Problem is Ted didn't have American parents, he had an American parent and a Cuban parent. IOW, less eligible than Obama.
PING
goodie
WTH> Obama had only ONE parent that was an American!!!
zero had one American and one non.
goodie what?
He probably means the One was hatched in HI.
Cruz had American citizenship at birth. He was never naturalized. If he was not a natural born citizen, he would have had to have been naturalized years ago to be eligible to serve in the Senate. This didn't happen because his citizenship was intact from birth. Ted Cruz ia a natural born American.
Yes, just like Ted Cruz. But Cruz in known to have been born in Canada. And after all these years of discussion concerning Obama's birthplace, the only reasonably solid evidence is that he was born in Hawaii.
CATO institute has veered a lot into the far reaches of libertarian kookdom from what I’ve read (very sporadically) over the last few years.
IMHO if Cruz takes the bait that he’s a NBC, and being a Constitutional scholar or something, he ought to know better, then the Dems/leftist will, at the very last minute, pull out info proving that one must be born on US soil to be a NBC - jus solis, IIRC. Of course the researchers here know that to be a verity.
I am 100% sure of this. They will pull it out. And claim that Steaming is a NBC since his faux birth cert says “HI”. And now so many are running with this - Levin, for example, and a lot on FR will now focus their ire on anyone saying “Hey, he ain’t a NBC - foreign birth, foreign national father - two strikes!” We’re trolls, we’re dupes, we’re leftist traitors.
Anyone who thinks he’s a NBC is duped. And pretty soon there’ll be a long thread zotting anyone who says he isn’t, mark my words.
And then at the very last minute, after he’s gotten the nomination, a judge somewhere will make the decision that jus solis determines NBC status.
CATO Institute & Daily Caller Declares Foreign-Born Persons Eligible To Be President
Article, then check out # 9.
Thanks, CC Posse Supporter.
“If he was not a natural born citizen”
False. He’s a natural born citizen of Canada, by virtue of having been born in Alberta.
Bonus, they take him out of the Senate. That’s the plan. Just like the plan was to have Newt folding to Romney folding to Obama. Newt suckered in lots of folks in the primaries. But, he was essential in keeping conservatives just divided enough.
Except that does not pass the intent of the Founding Fathers.
What if Cruz becomes POTUS and a dust up occurs between the US and Canada, trade deals, business deals or what ever. Could Cruz be viewed as having a bias, perhaps a soft spot for his birth place?
Maybe he has a loyalty maybe he doesn’t, but it could easily be argued there is a conflict of interest there, something we should strive to avoid as the Founder did.
A person born to two citizen parents in this Country is no doubt a NBC, any other variance leave a doubt of loyalty and possible conflict of interest.
“This didn’t happen because his citizenship was intact from birth. Ted Cruz ia a natural born American”
No he is not a natural born Citizen. He is a dual Citizen with born allegiances to two sovereignties.
Here is what the principal framer of the 14th Amendment Rep John Bingham stated when defining a natural born Citizen:
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Ted Cruz born within the allegiance of a foreign sovereignty called Canada to a foreign national father who owed allegiance to foreign sovereignty called Cuba is again, not a natural born Citizen. Ted Cruz is just a statutory Citizen only eligible for the Senate or House of Representatives.
newbie.
Great post Ron and right on target!
I’d vote for Cruz in a heartbeat if only to shove the Obama precedent back on the libs but I’m afraid that there are probably enough diehard “birthers” to make his path to victory problematic. What I’d love to see Ted Cruz do is use his possible candidacy as a teachable moment - releasing his college funding records for example and explaining that as a dual citizen he needed to show that he never received as aid as a foreign student or lived in the foreign student dorm.
CAT also supports Open Borders, Illegal Alien Amnesty, and economically destructive Free Trade policies. How people think the are anything conservative when they are quite liberal on most issues
BS troll.
Your boy Obama is not a NBC even IF he was born in Hawaii, nice try.
CAT , I meant CATO
CCP does some solid work here, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Is that YOU, Barack???? Born in Hawaii??....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhAhahaha Yeah.....right. Guess you are calling his GRANDMA a LIAR!!!
That this makes Obama OK to be Prez!!
Wow, imagine that, those who support the Constitution and its original intent are now denigrated because we don't support the questionable candidate de jour....on FR of all places.
Why don't we give Cruz a little time to EARN his bonifides instead of lapping at his feet because he's dishing up some red meat?
I don't know about you, but in the words of Eddie Murphy, I ain't falling for the banana in the tail pipe trick again.
Time will tell.
-PJ
I believe Cruz is loyal to the US. In fact nothing in his behavior would suggest otherwise. Meanwhile most other pols in Washington serve the anti American media and the foreign interests that control the media.
Except that does not pass the intent of the Founding Fathers.
About the Founders and being NBC, they thought this... "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".
I just don't understand this Cruz for President infatuation - over a man who has been in federal public office for less than a year - when yet another clause of the Constitution has to be turned on its head in order for it to work. Cruz is a good guy, but as Theodore Roosevelt famously said, NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land!
There are a number of other good Republican candidates for the White House in 2016 who are head and shoulders above anything the 'Rats can offer and who pass the Natural Born Citizen test with flying colors.
Conform to the Constitution and pick an outstanding and constitutionally eligible candidate for the POTUS in 2016, and let Ted Cruz serve with distinction in the Senate for many years to come.
Kook alert.
Wikipedia quote is that "A person of exceptional merit, generally a non-United States citizen may, be declared an Honorary Citizen of the United States by an act of Congress, or by a proclamation by the President of the United States.....
Winston Churchill was born in Blenheim, England in the year 1874. His father was Lord Randolph Churchill. His mother was the former Jenny Jerome of Brooklyn, New York.
Winston Churchill was declared an honorary citizen of the United States, by a proclamation delivered by President John F. Kennedy.
I would presume then, that Winston was not considered an American citizen, let alone a natural born citizen. His mother then, could not give him citizenship if this was the case.
I like Cruz, don't get me wrong, but I'll jump on his ship after and when in time he has proved his self to my satisfaction.
"the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".
And that is not relevant, Cruz has only one parent Citizen. Besides, they rescinded that in 1795.
If Congress has to determine by statute who is NBC, then said person is not Natural Born, are they.
FYI ping!
It’s true.
You are wrong, sir.
By renouncing his Canadian citizenship, he is a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States. The term refers to loyalty as well as geography. Study up.
” What I’d love to see Ted Cruz do is use his possible candidacy as a teachable moment - releasing his college funding records for example”
Now that I would love to see. Doing that would really get under Obama’s skin as well as his supporters because it would raise the issue why he never has released them.
Irrelevant!
And that is not relevant, Cruz has only one parent Citizen.
I was only addressing the foreign soil issue.
Besides, they rescinded that in 1795.
The 1790 Act (and the 1795 Act) were about Naturalization. Since NBC can't be legislated, the 1790 Act simply gives an indication of who the Founders thought were NBC.
If Congress has to determine by statute who is NBC, then said person is not Natural Born, are they.
See above comment.
“About the Founders and being NBC, they thought this... “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”.
And then they repealed it 5 years later and removed the natural born Citizen language.
“You are wrong, sir.”
No, I’m not wrong. I’m entirely correct.
“By renouncing his Canadian citizenship”
Again. Ted Cruz obtained three citizenships. One, by his birthright, he’s a Canadian citizen. He has access to Canadian health care, the pension system up there. Everything, that most Americans do not have access, Ted has access to.
Two, he has Cuban citizenship by being the son of a Cuban national born in Cuba.
Three, he has American citizensy by being the son of an American national born in the United states.
So while it is correct that he’s been an American citizen - he is not a natural born American. His citizenship to Canada takes precedence, and his American citizenship is actually third - since most systems regard the father’s nationality as more important than the mothers.
“The term refers to loyalty as well as geography.”
Horsecrap. The constitution is explicit. Born on American soil. Nothing else qualifies. You can be a helluva patriot but you’re not a natural born American citizen unless born on American soil.
Welcome to FR.
Facts are stubborn things.
Interstingly enough Canada doesn't require birth on Canadian soil for somebody to be NBC. (Nor do they require two citizen parents).
I guess the laws of nature must be different in Canada.
“By renouncing his Canadian citizenship, he is a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States. “
Not true at all. You can’t be born a Dual Citizen with split allegiances and then revert to a natural born Citizen just because you renounce the foreign allegiance. It doesn’t work that way. It was never meant to work that way. All it makes him is a U.S. code statutory Citizen.
“Your boy Obama is not a NBC even IF he was born in Hawaii, nice try.”
Pity. You’re the one arguing that if it’s ok for Obama it’s good enough for us.
Some of us have higher standards. Others don’t think it’s important that the highest office of the land have a leader without divided loyalties.
Ted Cruz doesn’t even have a American birth certificate.
Guess you don't read to good, eh?
Take off.
“I guess the laws of nature must be different in Canada.”
Yawn. Twisting the definition is just par for the course. NBC - born on American soil. Try again.
Why would he? He has a Canadian birth certificate, same as everyone who’s born in Canada.
“Take off.”
You first.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.