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Imagine that Russia had colonised America
The Telegraph blogs ^ | September 2, 2013 | Daniel Hannan

Posted on 09/02/2013 12:04:41 AM PDT by cunning_fish

What if Russia had got to California first? What if Spain’s feeble, arthritic hold on the province had been prised away, not by mutinous Mexicans or land-hungry Americans, but by sea-borne Cossacks? How different might the twentieth century have been if, in the nineteenth, the Russian Bear had sunk her claws deep into American soil, drawing the entire North Pacific into her embrace?

Glorious Misadventures by Owen Matthews is the story of how it almost happened, and a splendidly ursine, shambling, alcoholic, opéra bouffe story it is. As British, French and Spanish settlers pushed westward into the American interior, looking for land or gold or religious freedom, Russians came from the other direction, looking for fur. Sea otters’ hides were especially valuable: a single pelt could fetch the equivalent of two years’ salary for a working man in the licensed entrepôts of northern China.

Avarice for this ‘soft gold’ pulled the Russians in a remarkably short time across the vastness of Siberia and on, over the Bering Straits, into Alaska. From the other end of the country – the other end of the world, really – Tsars marked maps and poets wrote of the civilising mission of the ‘Russian Columbuses’, as Mikhail Lomonosov called them.

‘In Europe we are hangers-on and slaves’, wrote Dostoevsky, ‘but in Asia we are masters. In Europe we were Tatars but in Asia we, too, are Europeans’.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: alternativehistory; russia

1 posted on 09/02/2013 12:04:41 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

U.S. Civil War: The US-Russian Alliance that Saved the Union
http://www.voltairenet.org/U-S-Civil-War-The-US-Russian


2 posted on 09/02/2013 12:22:47 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was a very different Russia back then. But I think America would still have evolved in a similar fashion. A governing Monarchy far away and out of touch, looking to fill royal coffers would probably resulted in the same frustration and anger.


3 posted on 09/02/2013 12:30:54 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: cunning_fish

I think Hannan should stay from the hard stuff.


4 posted on 09/02/2013 12:47:06 AM PDT by Misterioso (Was born an atheist 76 years ago and haven't changed my mind.)
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To: cunning_fish
What a childish straw man. The people of central Russia along with two Eskimos tribes mad up most of the North American population by 100AD. Fisherman from Europe killed many people in the North Atlantic coast. They did it because they could.
5 posted on 09/02/2013 12:54:00 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Mastador1

Let’s put up the real scenario....the French kept everything west of the Mississippi, and the Russians kept Alaska, western Canada, and Washington state. The US would only amount to twenty-two states today, and would never have been a world power.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 1:00:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Mastador1

Let’s put up the real scenario....the French kept everything west of the Mississippi, and the Russians kept Alaska, western Canada, and Washington state. The US would only amount to twenty-two states today, and would never have been a world power.


7 posted on 09/02/2013 1:00:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

That’s supposed to be a real scenario? A scenario, maybe, but real? Not by a long shot.

The French were in no condition to “keep” anything in what is now the Western United States. they did not populate it, they did not control it, and they sure as hades would not have kept it. Same for the Russians; neither country had the wherewithal to populate, control or protect any territories in North America.

How about this scenario: a Republic of Texas stretching from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Northwest? That’s a scenario at least as realistic as yours.


8 posted on 09/02/2013 1:50:57 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: pepsionice

The Russians colonised as far south as Fort Ross in northern California. Ross = Russian. Get it?


9 posted on 09/02/2013 2:03:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Mastador1

The English were not in the same league of brutality as the Tsarists were. There would have been no USA. The KGB, Cheka etc. learnt from the Tsarist secret police...


10 posted on 09/02/2013 2:13:23 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no way Britain would have declared war on the Union. The political elite may have been pro-south, but the working classes, even those in Lancashire suffering most from the cotton famine viewed Lincoln as a hero (there is a statue of him in Manchester to this day) there would have been riots and maybe a civil insurrection in Britain itself if HM government had intervened on behalf of the slave owning South.


11 posted on 09/02/2013 2:41:45 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: John Valentine

That is a real scenario and for sure the dang wets would not be swimmin’ the Rio right now and there would be no Mexico City.

It would be called Austin South.....

Remember Goliad and Remember the Alamo....SECEDE....


12 posted on 09/02/2013 2:58:58 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: cunning_fish

Imagine if Mexico colonized America. .... Wait, we can watch it in real time.


13 posted on 09/02/2013 3:31:10 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“The Russians colonised as far south as Fort Ross in northern California. Ross = Russian. Get it?”

Ross - from `Rossiya’.....never knew that.

Neat! I mean, “prekrasnaya”!


14 posted on 09/02/2013 4:50:24 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: John Valentine

I like your scenario better!


15 posted on 09/02/2013 5:14:02 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: cunning_fish

They did land in the US,but in Washington DC not California,read Diana Wests book,American Betrayal,it will open your eyes about the communist infiltration that goes back to the 30s


16 posted on 09/02/2013 5:29:42 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer

Public schools are loaded with communists...


17 posted on 09/02/2013 5:38:11 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: cunning_fish

The father of the Russian navy is
John Paul Jones


18 posted on 09/02/2013 5:40:35 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: who knows what evil?

bttt


19 posted on 09/02/2013 5:42:08 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Hollywood/media, the government, and most churches are under the thumb of communism, as well...sure glad college football season has started, so we don’t have to dwell on such matters.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 5:57:37 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: cunning_fish

To colonize (and make it stick) you need lots of your own people to move to the new land.

Russia has yet to colonized Siberia...


21 posted on 09/02/2013 7:06:06 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ballplayer
They did land in the US,but in Washington DC not California,read Diana Wests book,American Betrayal,it will open your eyes about the communist infiltration that goes back to the 30s

They did land in California. Read all about it in Red Channels: The Report on Communist Influence in Radio and Television (New York: American Business Consultants, 1950) or Hollywood Party: How Communism Seduced the American Film Industry in the 1930's and 1940's by Lloyd Billingsley (Rocklin, Calif.: Forum, 1998)

22 posted on 09/02/2013 7:16:49 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: cunning_fish
In his bestselling novel If the South Had Won the Civil War (New York: Bantam, 1961), McKinlay Kantor wrote that had the South won the war, the Union and the Confederacy would have eventually gotten back together and that by 1961, the alternative America would look about the same as the real one, with two notable exceptions: Cuba would be a US state, while Alaska would be part of the Soviet Union.
23 posted on 09/02/2013 7:28:43 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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