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Why Sukkot Is Yeshua’s Real Birthday [Today!]
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Posted on 09/22/2013 5:26:16 PM PDT by Errant

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Hope everyone enjoyed the REAL Birthday of the Messiah today!

It was really a gorgeous day here - what a Blessing!

Video at link above.

1 posted on 09/22/2013 5:26:16 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

I don’t know when Christ was actually born, but Scriptural clues definitely makes it in the fall.


2 posted on 09/22/2013 5:33:57 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Errant

Don’t know, don’t care. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in Zeus.


3 posted on 09/22/2013 5:41:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Jonty30
The video at the link isn't bad at making the case for Sukkot, which is today. Further evidence, from other sources, even pinpoints the day Jeshua was born at exactly 2015 years ago today.

Modern computers and advances in celestial mechanics allows for a precision never dreamed possible.

4 posted on 09/22/2013 5:43:54 PM PDT by Errant
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To: SkyDancer

We all started life as atheists. ;)


5 posted on 09/22/2013 5:44:53 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

We all started life as ignorant. Then an adult had to come along and spoil it.


6 posted on 09/22/2013 5:47:07 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

It wasn’t an adult who spoiled it, it was something that happened 6,000 years ago.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 5:52:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

The King of Kings who hath brought us salvation. Happy birthday Jesus.


8 posted on 09/22/2013 5:57:19 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Errant

Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptist’s father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.

I tend to suspect that the Christians in the Roman empire were not so ill-informed, stupid, and dull as to get the date wrong after 200 years or so (when they first started celebrating Jesus’ birthday), and Christmas has NEVER been celebrated in the Fall.

So sorry Messianic Jews, Sukkot is NOT Jesus’ birthday—and 99.99% of Christ followers in history agree. You may want to get on the bandwagon and celebrate the date Jesus’ followers have faithfully followed for at least 1700 years.


9 posted on 09/22/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Jonty30
Here's a chart someone put together...of course I'm for the 25th...it's when the world comes together to celebrate even if they don't believe in Christ the Spirit of Christ is known and heard throughout on the 25th.... He his honored fully that day....and I rejoice in that...

http://www.oration.com/~mm9n/articles/hist/christmas_files/image003.jpg

10 posted on 09/22/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by caww
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11 posted on 09/22/2013 6:09:44 PM PDT by narses
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To: AnalogReigns
I tend to suspect that the Christians in the Roman empire were not so ill-informed, stupid, and dull as to get the date wrong after 200 years or so

They were so stupid as to not even be able to get the months of the year right:

September (Septi-) = 7, not the 9th month!
October (Octo-) = 8, not the 10th month!
November (Novem- = 9, not the 11th month!
December (Decem-, Dec-) = 10, no the 12th month

But one small example of the preponderance of the evidence to the contrary.

12 posted on 09/22/2013 6:09:57 PM PDT by Errant
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To: AnalogReigns

What I just posted to you, proves a link exists back to the Biblical reckoning of time for the Gregorian calendar.


13 posted on 09/22/2013 6:12:32 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

I am familiar with this, makes sense.


14 posted on 09/22/2013 6:15:26 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: AnalogReigns

Yep...I agree...I’m in the 99.99% and celebrate the 25th of Dec. with Christians throughout the world who celebrate at this time.


15 posted on 09/22/2013 6:18:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: Errant

I overheard a woman in a store in Tennessee telling her child that Joseph and Mary couldn’t find lodging before His birth because everyone in town was celebrating Chr*stmas.


16 posted on 09/22/2013 6:20:47 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

lol - too funny!


17 posted on 09/22/2013 6:22:37 PM PDT by Errant
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To: All
It really doesn't matter if it was today, tomorrow, or December 25th.

Romans 14:6-12

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

18 posted on 09/22/2013 6:30:44 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Jonty30

Based on astrological calculations contained in the book “Star of the Magi,” the actual date was April 17, 6 B.C.


19 posted on 09/22/2013 6:36:42 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: SkyDancer

Well, you’re in for one hell of a rude awakening.


20 posted on 09/22/2013 6:37:07 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Errant

That’s because the new year didn’t begin in January back then, but in early spring. There have been various systems, and the calendar has been adjusted several times. Our current system, the Gregorian calendar, came into use in 1582.


21 posted on 09/22/2013 6:39:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SkyDancer; Errant
Don’t know, don’t care. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in Zeus.

I don't believe in Zeus either, But I believe in the real God. Just keep in mind, if you are right, and there is no God, well then we all end up as worm food. If Christians are right, then you might want to read the bible and talk to someone. It will give purpose and meaning to your life. Call it fire insurance. :)

22 posted on 09/22/2013 6:41:11 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: SkyDancer

You will definitely not be an atheist when you stand before the throne of Yeshua.


23 posted on 09/22/2013 6:44:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SkyDancer
Don’t know, don’t care. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in Zeus.

I don't believe in Zeus either.

But considering what you say here, you expend the energy to reply on a thread that you think has no bearing for your life. Interesting choice of time management on your part.

Oh, and you DO have this posted on your profile page. So what's really going on in your life?


24 posted on 09/22/2013 6:45:13 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: who knows what evil?
I overheard a woman in a store in Tennessee telling her child that Joseph and Mary couldn’t find lodging before His birth because everyone in town was celebrating Chr*stmas.

No doubt Mary and Joseph should have made reservations via the internet.

25 posted on 09/22/2013 6:46:03 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Love the image....speaks volumes to those who can hear. HE who has this on his page is closer to the the thruth then those who claim so but have lost their way.


26 posted on 09/22/2013 6:48:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: AnalogReigns; Errant

>> “Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptist’s father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.” <<

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Nonsense!

Using the courses of service would deliver dates roughly 6 months apart, so December 25 is completely impossible.

Since Zeremiah served in the course of Abia, as stated in the scriptures, Sukkot is shown to be the date. But that should be no surprise, since the purpose of Sukkot was to prophecy the coming of the Messiach.


27 posted on 09/22/2013 6:50:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NoCmpromiz; SkyDancer

SkyDancer’s posting history would appear to be that of a believer.

I think that she pulleth our leg.


28 posted on 09/22/2013 6:53:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Doomonyou; SkyDancer
SkyDancer is a very smart person (based on posts I've seen), but like many other thinking folks, what little evidence they have seen, is easily disproven because it is lies that we've inherited. Just like Christmas being celebrated as the birth of the Messiah, when clearly it isn't.

SkyDancer, the reality, once you start examining it, leaves little doubt that a higher power exists - I promise you will be blown away by the enormity of it all. PM me if you need a few suggestions of where to start looking. ;)

Freepgards,

29 posted on 09/22/2013 6:54:19 PM PDT by Errant
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To: SkyDancer
Skydancer... I love the image stating a man should look for a woman for her relationship to God on your page...many a man has done so and not regretted it by any means...

....and you sure have some swell pictures there....must be awesome flying like that..in Australia no less! I am truly jealous!

30 posted on 09/22/2013 6:54:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: editor-surveyor
since the purpose of Sukkot was to prophecy the coming of the Messiach.

Exactly - a shadow picture, just as was Passover for the sacrifice. It's why the Almighty instructed us to always observe these dates!

They are also shadows of events to yet to come.

31 posted on 09/22/2013 6:58:28 PM PDT by Errant
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To: huckfillary

The problem with that date is that April would be when an agricultural society, like most of Roman subjects would have been, starts planting their crops. After a long winter, their wealth would be at a low point and there would be very little to collect, which was the reason why Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem.


32 posted on 09/22/2013 6:58:35 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: caww; SkyDancer
HE who has this on his page

I got the impression from looking at SkyDancer's page, that she is a she...

The image on her page tends to contradict the reply above..

33 posted on 09/22/2013 7:00:09 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Well do correct my utter failure to call her a her or she.....I suspect the point was lost amid all the trouble of doing so.


34 posted on 09/22/2013 7:03:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: Errant

Christ fulfilled all “the shadows” of things to come. I don’t think he at all minds when we celebrate His birth, rather that we understand why HE came and His purposes.

Rather like people attempting to put a date on His second coming....we see the signs...which as at his birth were significant and with much meaning....but HE’s chosen not to tell us exactly when.

So too His birth...we can get a general idea but to get caught up in when exactly He was born is to miss the message of the “Good News”....and it is that Good news we celebrate...”A Savior is Born”....and generally when Christians do celebrate the Savior’s arrival.


35 posted on 09/22/2013 7:09:28 PM PDT by caww
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>> “which was the reason why Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem” <<

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Almost.

The real reason was because it was the commandment to go to Jerusalem for the Feast of Sukkot. Joseph also was required to vote in a Roman plebecite, from his home village, which was Bethlehem.

The conjunctions of the particular heavenly bodies that the Jewish astronomers from Babylon observed were also verified to have occured then by NASA computation.


36 posted on 09/22/2013 7:09:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: caww; Errant

>> “Christ fulfilled all “the shadows” of things to come.” <<

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Actually, no, he only completed some interim fulfillments.

The final fulfillments of Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, The Last Great Day, and Purim are yet to come.

And Yehova is definitely incensed when men celebrate on pagan feast dates. He gave us the days to celebrate, and we are to do no others.


37 posted on 09/22/2013 7:15:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; caww
And Yehova is definitely incensed when men celebrate on pagan feast dates.

Indeed! I recall scriptures concerning a lecture to the Israelites, "not to learn the ways of the heathens (pagans)"! I'm pretty sure those rules apply to the branch as well!

38 posted on 09/22/2013 7:29:50 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

the Apostle says,... “let no one act as your judge in regard to . . .”

He is saying don’t let anyone tell you these things are ‘requirements’ for fellowship with God.... They were only shadows of the person and work of Christ,.... He has not only come and fulfilled those shadows, but He is ‘totally sufficient’.

Colossians 2:16 and 17.... in no way forbids believers from commemorating something such as the birth of Christ if it is done out of love, devotion, and the joy the season gives when used as a way of focusing on the Savior and not as a religious duty...... The issue is not the observance date or time, but the reason, the attitudes and the spirit in which it is done.


39 posted on 09/22/2013 7:40:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: Errant

I personally believe The Messiah was born in the 1st day of God’s calendar 6th month. Exactly 40 days before the Day of Atonement - where on the day of Atonement He was dedicated At the temple after the circumcision and the day purification of Miriam. They would still be in the area or Tabernacles for him to dwell as John put it...


40 posted on 09/22/2013 7:49:54 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: AnalogReigns
Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptist’s father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.

I tend to suspect that the Christians in the Roman empire were not so ill-informed, stupid, and dull as to get the date wrong after 200 years or so (when they first started celebrating Jesus’ birthday), and Christmas has NEVER been celebrated in the Fall.

So sorry Messianic Jews, Sukkot is NOT Jesus’ birthday—and 99.99% of Christ followers in history agree. You may want to get on the bandwagon and celebrate the date Jesus’ followers have faithfully followed for at least 1700 years.

So you can explain those shepherds watching their flocks in late December, right?

FYI, for over a thousand years the Catholic Church was notorious for slapping Catholic Holy Days on top of "pagan" Holy Days, and building churches on top of "pagan" Holy Sites.

And right around December 25, there is the Winter Solstice, which is celebrated by the "pagans" as when the sun "stops" and then restarts after three days of apparent immobility in the the zodiac, being "born" as the "new sun(son) on... what a coincidence... December 25th.

Grow up. You want to be a Christian, fine. But at least acknowledge the existence of the rest of world history before you spit.

41 posted on 09/22/2013 7:54:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Errant

Sukkot began on Wednesday night....you have to tweak your astronomical fantabulous machine a bit.


42 posted on 09/22/2013 7:58:02 PM PDT by Phinneous
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To: editor-surveyor

Well I suppose if one is Jewish these dates make a difference...since they were directed to the Jewish People....however in Christ we are complete in Him...the observances of all the laws was met in Him...and so He becomes our all in all.

So no...Jesus set us free from the Jewish rites, ceremonies and religious feasts once were commanded. Now we celebrate Him and what He has done for us.

To say that God is “incensed” when we celebrate His birth on a particular day...puts a person back ‘under bondage’ to these rites and celebrations once offered to the Jewish people.

Who Christ has set free is free indeed.....


43 posted on 09/22/2013 8:01:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: Repeat Offender

Amen, amen.

Jews did not celebrate birthdays. Pagans did. On only 2 (maybe 3) birthdays in Bible, someone died. Pharoah’s, Herod’s, and perhaps Job’s first children.

Early Christians did not celebrate Jesus birth for first one or two hundred years, and even condemned the practice when pagans wanted to introduce it.

We are specifically instructed, on the other hand, to celebrate not His birth - but His death - often. The dates of His birth or death are not important. What occured in his death is all-important. Our salvation. Proven by His resurrection.


44 posted on 09/22/2013 8:02:57 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks Errant.

45 posted on 09/22/2013 8:04:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SkyDancer
Don’t know, don’t care. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in Zeus.

Not caring about not knowing is not atheism, it's sloth.

And it's certainly nothing to brag about.

46 posted on 09/22/2013 8:06:16 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: caww; SkyDancer
The image on her page tends to contradict the reply above..

Hmmm.. More correctly, should have read: "The image on her page tends to contradict her reply above.."

47 posted on 09/22/2013 8:11:33 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: editor-surveyor
<...”Actually, no, he (Christ) only completed some interim fulfillment's”....>

Well yes he did fulfill all that HE said HE would and did. His last words were..”It's finished”....all the law was fully met in Him...all the requirements HE met through His life, death and His Resurrection. IF we're going to keep old testament laws, then we better make sure we keep all of them,... including all implied laws of adultery by thought and murder by hate.... Which of course is impossible, except in Christ.....

What christian do you know today who claims to follow the Old Testament law is going to Jerusalem three times a year? Because that is the law of God. .....What christian follows the law of splashing blood on the door posts? That also is the law of God.

But you see, there are some groups who want to pick and choose (depending upon their traditions) what Old Testament laws they want to keep, and which ones they exclude themselves from....... But the law isn't a salad bar where we take what we want, and leave the rest. If we are indebted to one law, we're indebted to all the laws.

Christ set us 'free' from those restrictions...once and for all.

48 posted on 09/22/2013 8:13:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: SkyDancer

You pick a strange way of celebrating your unbelief. Why would you post in this thread, then deliberately (yet falsely) equate Jesus with “Zeus”, there is not historical or theological connection.


49 posted on 09/22/2013 8:14:58 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: caww

No, absolutely not.

The feasts are commanded to all.

Your misunderstanding is a common one but it just fails in the scriptures.

Yehova has given us the fassts and is definitely insenced when we celebrate pagan feasts.

Yeshua set us free from the Pharisees Takanot and Ma’assim, not from Torah.

You place yourself in bondage when you celebrate pagan days.

You have invented your own private “jesus” that is nowhere to be found in God’s word.


50 posted on 09/22/2013 8:16:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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