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Why Sukkot Is Yeshua’s Real Birthday [Today!]
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Posted on 09/22/2013 5:26:16 PM PDT by Errant

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To: Errant

Since when do shepherds take their flock out in the winter? No green grass to eat then. Rather cold too. So yes Fall is the season for the birth of the Messiah.


101 posted on 09/23/2013 4:46:40 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel,... that by 'the name of Jesus Christ' the Nazarene, ....., whom God raised from the dead.... “And there is salvation in no one else;... for there is ...no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved,"..... (Acts 4:10-12).

I'll just stick with the Name of Jesus Christ ...as savior though I understand the Jewish People refer to Him as Yeshua......The entire New Testament was written in Greek and the word Jesus is the word that is used. It is not the Hebrew יֵשׁוּעַ which is Yeshua. So, it is simple..... Jesus is properly called Jesus.

"And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins," (Matt. 1:21). "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God," (Mark 1:1).

For people to say that Jesus' real name is Yashua or Yahusha or Yahushua, etc., is Jesus' real name is just a statement of pushing an agenda and not believing the New Testament text.

It is enough to know that at the name Of Jesus Christ 'every' knee shall bow....

102 posted on 09/23/2013 5:00:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: Redcitizen
...."Since when do shepherds take their flock out in the winter? No green grass to eat then. Rather cold too."....

Here ya go...


103 posted on 09/23/2013 5:09:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

As I understand it, it wasn’t normal practice to overnight them outdoors when it was cold.


104 posted on 09/23/2013 5:34:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Errant

That was my point, shepherds sleeping in the fields is an argument against Saturnalia as the correct date.


105 posted on 09/23/2013 5:38:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

We are looking at winter thru our winters....Bethlehem is in Israel...I know there are times it has not snowed for years in the winter...thinking I saw it was 4 years between at one time...and the temperatures can flexuate greatly.

I have no problem there were Shepherds tending at night in the nov/dec months.....but I do think the message is lost that God sent His angel to the ‘lowly Shepherds’ to announce Jesus’ Birth..in that day they were considered ‘unclean’ and vastly limited in social acceptability, if at all. But so much like God to choose the ‘unexpected’ when He works a great work among us.


106 posted on 09/23/2013 5:45:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Valid point. I know it does snow there in the winter, but perhaps not in any particular year, as you note.


107 posted on 09/23/2013 5:50:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: caww

Yes that is pictures of sheep in the snow. Where’s their feed or grass?


108 posted on 09/23/2013 5:53:26 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Still Thinking; Redcitizen

I knew that was your point, and you both are right. It is further evidence of Yeshua’s birth taking place at the fall feast of Sukkot.


109 posted on 09/23/2013 5:57:53 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Redcitizen
Here's how they do it now...but I suspect at that time they did it by hand and hauled out bales of hay to them


110 posted on 09/23/2013 6:44:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
We sin every day Errant...

"...go, and sin no more."

111 posted on 09/23/2013 7:02:18 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

You cannot not sin this side of heaven...though when we come to Christ we come to Christ habitual sin is diminished...the ‘power of sin’ is broken...we don’t have to do those things we once did.

That verse..’go and sin no more’...is especially significant in that we now have a choice not to...the power of sin is broken. Habitual sin need not be so anymore for we have the Spirit of Christ within us to overcome.

Does that mean a liar will never lie again...no...it does mean when he does he has the Lord’s forgiveness when He seeks it...”If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins”,...even if we are not always faithful to Him.... HE always brings us back to Himself..so Great is His love toward us.

Sins that you commit after you’re saved are generally known as sins of the fleshly nature... which we do not put off until we go with Him.... They die with the flesh...

If we could be sinless here then we’d never die a earthly death...for the result of sin is death..and all men die earthly deaths....


112 posted on 09/23/2013 7:33:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
we don’t have to do those things we once did.

Except according to you, one should continue to celebrate the pagan days of false gods and idols, instead of observing the actual days of our Messiah's arrival and departure; which just happen to be on the very feast days the Almighty commanded us to observe and keep FOREVER!

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and will surely get us right on through the narrow gate to the city. /s

No thank you. I choose to do His commandments. For Yeshua told us he came not to change the law, but to fulfill - my faith is in him and I will follow him, not some brand of religion based on misinterpretations of the scriptures. Or one that can not count to three, or get the months of the year correct, or realize whose days they are actually celebrating.

Celebrate your iniquity if you wish, the time to do so is fleeting.

113 posted on 09/23/2013 8:15:42 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
...As I stated before...Jesus is the only way to the Father...the Only redemption we need...and no law can afford us salvation apart from Him....the Old laws and regulations were nailed to the cross...it serves none to try and undo Christs' "finished work"...and put people in Bondage again..

"One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike.... 'Let' every man be fully persuaded in his own mind'.... He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it."...Rom.14:5-6.... It is clear..The Old Law was taken out of the way when Jesus died on the cross. Now we walk the walk of Faith.


114 posted on 09/24/2013 10:27:56 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
It is much more complex than you know. There are at least three resurrections that we know of: One has already occurred; Two are yet to happen. The next one, for those in Yeshua, both the dead and those living, I expect to occur in the not too distant future. The final resurrection, after the millennial reign, is for everyone else (Those of which will stand before the throne of judgment). So those too, it seems, will have an opportunity of life everlasting, based on their works, as common sense would dictate.

The scriptures describe the above events clearly. Yeshua came to fulfill the Almighty's plan as laid out in the Torah. Yeshua kept the law and fulfilled that which he was commanded to do. Unlike us, Yeshua did not allow himself to be taken in by the one cast down to earth. We have inherited lies. Through our actions, we stupidity observe days set aside for false idols and gods. How smart is that?!

It is one thing to do so through ignorance, it's quite another to do so knowing better. All sin is forgiven, with few exceptions, due to the sacrifice Yeshua made for us. Those who accept and follow Yeshua will receive the gift of life everlasting, and sooner than the rest, who will queue for the final judgment.

Much of the mystery of the Almighty remains such. We are told it will eventually be revealed. This mystery is much more complex than we understand, or probably even need to know for now. The timing of Biblical events, that have already occurred, are of such miraculous coincidence that only a supernatural power could have accomplished such. Unfortunately, the darkness of this world has managed to obscure these miracles by co-opting observances the Almighty instructed us to always observe. We now observe events based on some of the most hideous practices imaginable. For example, the practice of coloring eggs at easter, harkens back to when eggs were originally dyed with the blood of sacrificed infants (Btw, aren't we sacrificing infants to the god of convenience today?!). Is this something you care to reenact, now that you know the real meaning behind it - not me.

So you see, there are reasons we were instructed to do some things and not others (to keep the commandments). The others eventually lead to undesirable consequences. So it is important that we follow the Almighty's commandments, but not necessarily the laws of the Pharisees, Mullahs, Buddahs, Reverands, Rabbis, or etc.

This is what Paul taught and tried to explain, and what the Messiah taught his disciples to teach. We, in our limited capacity to comprehend, and also at times under the influence of the master liar who rules this world, haven't gotten it quite right yet. Those searching for the truth and exposing more of the lies, and outright deceit we've inherited, are doing the Almighty's work.

Instead of condemning them, we should try to evaluate and understand what they've found.

115 posted on 09/24/2013 11:54:52 AM PDT by Errant
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To: editor-surveyor

Intended to include you on #115.


116 posted on 09/24/2013 12:04:09 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

>> “Instead of condemning them, we should try to evaluate and understand what they’ve found.” <<

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AMEN!


117 posted on 09/24/2013 12:10:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Errant

It is ‘Not’ complex at all...but man makes it so... just as you have in your post....Jesus addressed those who did so...as follows:

“Woe to you, teachers.. ‘of the law’ .... you hypocrites!.... You ‘shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces’..... You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to”....Matt.23:13

“Woe to you, teachers ‘of the law’..... you hypocrites! ....You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded,... you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.”..Matt.23:15

“Woe to you experts ‘in the law’, ....because you have taken away the key to knowledge. ...You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”..Lk.11:52

Jesus replied,... “And you experts in the law,... woe to you, ....because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, Lk.11:46


118 posted on 09/24/2013 12:12:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

There again, Yeshua is talking about the laws of the Pharisees, NOT the commandments of the Almighty, which he kept and never broke.


119 posted on 09/24/2013 12:14:58 PM PDT by Errant
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To: caww

Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”


120 posted on 09/24/2013 12:44:32 PM PDT by Errant
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He is clearly talking ‘about the Law’ .....

Jesus told them repeatedly that they kept.... ‘the letter of the law’... but ‘lost’ the spirit... they made a show of loving God with their public prayers etc....

“Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying:

.... “The scribes and the Pharisees sit ‘in Moses seat’ (Law)..... Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do”. Matt 23:1-5

Peter also accused the Jewish leaders when he said...

” Now therefore.. why do you test God by putting ‘a yoke’ (bondage) on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” ....Acts:15:11-10

Jesus continually reinforced his accusations against ‘their unwillingness to maintain a consistency between their tradition and ‘the written law’.... “They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”..Matt:15:14

When you place the law...such as following certain dates times etc...on the shoulders of Christians it’s placing them back under bondage to those requirements....Jesus fulfilled these entirely...so if you follow the commandments of God then you are in bound to keep the entire Law and Gods commandments. Our walk with Him is a walk of faith,...not under the law....

And by the way..... Moses ‘broke’ the ten commandments the first time around when he smashed the tablets at the foot of Mt. Siani and a second set Moses had to ‘hewn out of stone’ rather than as God did that the first time around...

..At that time the Lord said to me (Moses),
“Hew ‘for yourself’ two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain and make yourself an ark of wood. ....And I [God] will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, ‘which you broke’; and you shall put them in the ark.”

God never told Moses to break them...he did this on his own..so they were literally broken before the people ever got them.


121 posted on 09/24/2013 12:47:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: Errant
That's right...he fulfilled all the Law...not just some of it...he satisfied all the requirements God commanded..... .....but if you believe Jesus fulfilled the law...then why put the bondage of keeping rituals, times dates and ordinaces etc. on the shoulders of people when He took those on Himself.....it brings an individual back under bondage to all the law which Jesus lifted from Him.
122 posted on 09/24/2013 12:51:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Again, you are confusing the laws of the Pharisees with the commandments of the Almighty. However, where you do not, you are wrong in your belief that followers of Yeshua are free to ignore the commandments that pertain to the people (not the laws pertaining to priests and etc.) as recorded in the Torah.

The following might provide you with more insight:

Mat. 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Yeshua was exactly right of course (apologies for the poor image):

You show your love by following his commandments and seeking the truth.

123 posted on 09/24/2013 1:19:14 PM PDT by Errant
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To: caww
The Almighty sent Messiah into the world to give us opportunity of life everlasting - not so we might sin without regard to the consequences. Sinning means ignoring His commandments. Confessing ones sins, regularly and publicly, is one thing the Catholic Church got right, IMO.

Why do you find it so burdensome to follow His commandments? You obliviously celebrate both Christmas and Easter. Why not instead celebrate the actual days of true miracles, now that you know, instead of continued observance of the pagan worship days of old?

124 posted on 09/24/2013 1:33:47 PM PDT by Errant
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To: SkyDancer

If you want to be the most famous atheist in the world, the best way would be to disprove the resurrection of Christ.

If you can do that, you’d be more famous than Darwin.


125 posted on 09/24/2013 1:37:34 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

We be talking about Zeus and we know he isn’t real. As me granpap would say “It’s a joke son” ....


126 posted on 09/24/2013 4:06:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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