Skip to comments.The Prepper’s Conundrum: To Bug in or Bug Out?
Posted on 10/03/2013 4:03:07 PM PDT by Kartographer
The longer we delve into the subject of preparedness, the more apparent it becomes that making the choice to bug in or bug out is dependent on many factors. Because this topic is far too in depth to write about in one article, it will become a three part series where we will explore in detail one of the most important decisions you will ever make for your family whether to bug in or bug out.
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The Preppers Conundrum: Bugging In (Pt. 2)
Have a plan to do either.
Good luck getting to your bugout destination.
Best is to have weapons and a map that gives the location of preppers.
Good luck getting to your bugout destination.””””
Exactly. I will stay & defend what I worked a lifetime to have. I cannot carry it with me. I may go down, but I will get a bunch of them first.
The paradox: once you bug out, you are getting to a place where you are bugging in.
1. You cannot truly isolate your selves from ‘the troubles’
2. what you don’t patrol, you do not own.
3. You cannot sustain #2 as one nuclear family; you need your tribe.
4. A great guide for #3 and #2 is www.afailureofcivility.com
In the end, if we sense collapse soon enough, we will bug out to our FAR more favorable bug-in location.
If not, see #3, #4 above in a less optimal locale.
It’s all a matter of timing. Also you made need to get creative and think outside the box. Say you live near the ocean or a major river? Think about using it as your escape route. Maybe you can form a group and go in together and find a nice small out of the way commercial building with nothing around like food of retail stores. maybe something in a small older industrial park. Something you can even pull you vehicles in and out of sight.
waiting for the sthtf to bug out, because it is not safe where you are- is like waiting for the market crash- then selling your holdings.
A parasite that kills its host is a dead parasite.
Raiding preppers is a short-term solution; it’s also a very high-risk model - for you.
That said, I certainly don't intend to bunker and hide. It's my neighborhood. I know every tree and rock and quite a few of the rooftops, and all the dogs.
Hunting miscreants is a good way to keep things calm in the local area.
I agree. There is probably not a city in this country that can't be clocked off with 4-6 blockades. I know Vegas can be shut down with as little as four.
Interlopers better have better optics and reach than I do...
I'm comfortable we are sufficiently insulated from those who would use your tactics.
Ooops, clocked = blocked
Only the very lucky hardcore prepper will be able to get to his bug out location in one piece. The 98% of the rest will likely be killed along the way, wounded, have their supplies stolen, have mechanical difficulties or will never make it for various reasons.
What no civil war thread for you to be an obnoxious Azzhat on? :-)
You must be mentally prepared for both options. Some circumstances (e.g. small scheduled asteroid impact, forest fire) could make bugging *out* your only viable option to survive.
Other circumstances might make staying put your only initial option.
There will be waves of violence, as in ebbs and flows. The argument is over how fast citizens become raging mobs, and perhaps how long the unprepared live by looting one house at a time with a bum rush from a mob overwhelming elderly occupants inside, etc.
At some point the first wave of violence will recede, giving those who bugged *in* an option, if they desire, to then bug *out* again.
To which I might add: be wary of bridges and overpasses.
Prepared preppers (not really redundant) will have layered security/ perimeters and adequate comms.
They’ll have firearms that can reach out and touch miscreants 300+ yards, at 100 yards, and on/in the property/structure.
They’ll have observers/watches and radios to know they are coming.
They will wage war to crush in defense of their families. No prisoners from the raiding parties.
I would not want to try an assault on prepared preppers unless I could prepare the battlefield with ‘indirect fire’ weapons first ...
There are ways to effectively convoy. Do not presume a ‘solo family act’ = bugging out.
“In the end, if we sense collapse soon enough, we will bug out to our FAR more favorable bug-in location”
I agree with your theory. We have immediate family and one very close set of friends and their two boys. Everyone is likeminded and already has prepped. At the first sign of trouble every one bugs out to our place. 10-11 people will be able to defend the retreat.
Personally I think its highly likely that whatever crisis comes will happen over a period of time that gives people who are paying attention time to bug out.
Even if the lights went out tonight we have enough gas to get to our retreat before the general public wakes up and realizes that they are not coming back on and chaos ensues.
If a financial collapse occurs and the banks close you will still have time to quietly get in your vehicles and drive out of the area to your retreat. It will take a couple of days before the grocery stores are cleaned out and things get really bad.
Bad guys can steal boats from the early bugouters and be waiting for you to get there.
And the JDLR (just doesn’t look right) criteria get a lot more, um, looser should TSHTF. BUT you have to have patrolled there recently to realize it JDLR tonight.
I’m bugging in.
I have two med age kids to feed.
In the event of a catastrophe, martial law will be declared until order is returned and at least you’ll get your cup of dried milk, slice of bread and a slice of dehydrated fruit. Plus I know which neighborhoods around here are on well water and will draw from their spikets when need be.
City slickers and urbanites who think buying a piece of land out in the middle of bum-f-Egypt is the best way think again.
The natives know EVERY square inch of their land and will eat you alive...literally if need be.
Easy, if you live near a lot of people who are not prepared, bug out with all you can carry. If you are out in the country, stay in.
You can’t depend upon history in these days of drones, missiles, biological warfare, out of control local police with armored vehicles, hussein’s new military’s mentality, the installation of our enemies in key positions, and the government’s total disregard for love of country, it’s Constitution and it’s citizens.
Wrong. Your carry supplies will last you a month at most. If you aren’t at home, you’ll return to one that is ransacked and possibly burnt to the ground.
Stock your surban home with all you need.
Including keeping 25 gallon gas can filled. Rotate the gas out every 6 months into your car to keep it fresh. Rent a small storage bin close to your home and keep extra stuff in there too.
Wrong. (to use your word.)
Prepared preppers have their bugout location already stocked. (because we already go there with some regularity)
p.s. a 25 gallon gas can is REALLY heavy and hard to handle to fill a car. Also can raise eyebrows when you go to fill it.
Be grey man.
Fill 5 five gallon jugs. Easier to handle, east to rotate. No one thinks twice when you fill a couple, especially if you’re in scruffy work clothes.
Better have a gun and plenty of ammo, too.
Right, preppers will be well armed. Try to steal from them at your own risk.
Remember, a man alone is most vulnerable when his trousers are down and he's ready to leave a load. Knives are quiet.
Glad I got my Yugo SKS when it was $100 and ammo was 10 cents a round.
It has a bayonet, too;)
Location, location, location ..... My quiet small remote town where everyone is a prepper of sorts due stores etc over 60 miles away.... We will bug IN thank you.
Were I a subject of urbana such as Detroit or NYC..... I’d be on the first thang flyin, floating or fartin fumes out of town.
My opinion only .....
Ditto. House is easier to defend than my loaded-down pickup truck out on what would probably be fairly crowded roads.
Yes but a lot of them don’t and those that do will have minimal supplies, if any.
I am 52. My wife is 56 and diabetic and her sister, who lives with me is 50 and mentally challenged. We would most likely die trying to bug out, unless I was wiling to abandon them and I ain’t a spring chicken.
Do I really want to be on foot with no supplies in a mass exodus to ??? Best to stay and dig in and hope for the best and kill the rest.
I find people respond to prepper threads all the time.
This is true. The problem is MOST people will wait until it gets REALLY bad and then try to bug out, along with thousands of others making the roads nothing short of parking lots.
Crossbows have more range than a knife, and are quieter than most pistols.
They are slower to take effect than a pistol though.
I’m in an exurb type location where everyone has 5+ acres. Though still in a metro area, I’m going to stay put.
But barbed wire and booby traps might be a good idea.
I think the oath keepers plan for like minded people forming communities is an excellent idea.
In a SHTF, I don’t think that you can ever have enough guns & ammo. .
Yeah and a meteor could land on your head or Godzilla could rise up form the ocean of you just might have a good old heart attack right then or..................
Now be nice.
Always enjoy your posts, JRandom.
Can't hardly get the door closed on my safe. Next acquisition is a quality crossbow.
Silence is golden.
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