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The Death Spiral Begins
American Thinker ^ | 10-8-13 | Nick Chase

Posted on 10/08/2013 1:14:11 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

As a retired computer systems manager, I am always fascinated by large, complex software systems that fail -- such as the Federal ObamaCare "insurance exchange" currently being rolled out at HealthCare.gov.

This software monstrosity is now in its second week, and most people trying to use it still can't get into the system, or else they can't create an account on it, or their account information is lost. I, and you, can follow this unfolding disaster at any time in the comments section on HealthCare.gov's own Facebook page, at https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov. (You do not need a Facebook account to view this page.)

Here are a few recent comments I saw recently (on Monday evening, October 7):

Alicia Pasz: I waited but still CANNOT login. My security questions to create a new password are NOT MINE. If I cannot get SOMEBODY to clear this problem how am I going to login? I enrolled over the phone BUT I want to see what is going on with my account/app. I NEED HELP, I cannot create another account because I am already in the system. IS ANYBODY READING THIS REQUEST FOR HELP? (Nick's answer: No.)

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: begins; death; obamanocare; spiral
This is a great summary of what 1-800-F**K-YO really means for America and those sentiments were no joke.
1 posted on 10/08/2013 1:14:11 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/the_death_spiral_begins.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


2 posted on 10/08/2013 1:14:40 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Hey, at least there’ll be lots of jobs for IT techs to try to get the thing working.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 1:42:14 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If anybody in the private sector had started a company doing this they would be in cuffs. Zerocare is deathwatchCare.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 1:42:38 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I have programmed large complex software systems.

This one is designed to fail, by government swindlers. Seen that one before.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 2:14:10 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: MaxMax

Depends. I’ve seen something very similar happen in Europe, back in the late eighties. A private entity can bleed the state dry, because the bureaucrats *will* cover their ass and eat a chunk of the cake.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 2:17:45 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Hardraade

They don’t actually want to cover anyone. They just want the money.


7 posted on 10/08/2013 2:23:19 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It’s the thought that counts... Obama said it was good and his drones should believe, no matter what the reality.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 2:41:39 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Bump


9 posted on 10/08/2013 2:44:06 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: rawcatslyentist

That exactly what I have been saying. Question: how much if that tax income will actually be going to the healthcare industry? Want to bet it will be going to pay for more special interest groups, crony capitalism and other ways to make the world better for us slaves? All the while sucking the life out of the healthcare industry. This was never more than a way for the federal government to get it dirty paws on som of the trillions spent in the health care industry each year. It is sad how many people fell for this bullshit.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 2:59:17 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: sheikdetailfeather

There was a report that stated that the folks hired to do the job, are now told to shut up!

Since this whole thing was designed by elected and non-elected, out-of-touch bureaucrats, committed on nothing less than the slavery of America, this ‘chicken’ is now coming home to roost.

Since the first reports of this monstrosity were being transmitted, I have sworn to NOT partake of it, and shall still NOT partake of it.

“A computer system designed to eat itself”, one report stated.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-healthcare-technology-analysis-idUSBRE99407T20131005


11 posted on 10/08/2013 3:08:37 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

Wow! Thanks for the link. I was just reading the comments on the healthcare.fu facebook site and people are livid!

https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov


12 posted on 10/08/2013 3:16:44 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Perhaps I'm missing it, but I feel that the Republicans are having two separate conversations:

1) The SW for obamacare has serious problems.
2) The budget should be passed without funding for obamacare.

Seems to me that these are inextricably linked:
Obamacare is a disaster, it cannot work, people cannot even sign up. We need to abandon that ship. Give it up. No funding, let's just pass a budget and fund the government for everything except this complete and utter boondoggle.

By emphasizing the computer problems, we justify the budget stance. Same coin: two sides.

13 posted on 10/08/2013 3:23:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The comment from a Mr Greg Smith is especially eloquent:

"I would rather piss needles from the clap for ten years before I would sign up for this hot garbage."

14 posted on 10/08/2013 3:26:04 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Mr James Engebretson:

"Mr. Obama, tear down this website!"

15 posted on 10/08/2013 3:29:29 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
LOLOL! How about this one...

Roger Filips I got notice that my blue cross was being canceled. The cheapest Obamacare replacement is $160 per month more and my total risk increases from $5000 to $12,500. The good news is that my menopausal wife and I now have maternity, pediatric dental and vision! Thanks a lot.

248 · October 4 at 10:58am

16 posted on 10/08/2013 3:30:56 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are right. I think it would work too based upon the livid comments on facebook.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 3:32:47 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Wow. This from a subscriber called Ipso Phakto:
"Obamacare is a lifetime of ransom payments I can't make."

18 posted on 10/08/2013 3:43:28 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
One possible cause of the problems is that hitting "apply" on HealthCare.gov causes 92 separate files, plug-ins and other mammoth swarms of data to stream between the user's computer and the servers powering the government website

Sounds to me like a fun button to click ... over and over and over ...

19 posted on 10/08/2013 3:51:20 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: agere_contra

I could read comments there for hours. LOL!


20 posted on 10/08/2013 3:52:21 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: tx_eggman

Go for it. hehehehe!


21 posted on 10/08/2013 3:53:09 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: MaxMax
"If anybody in the private sector had started a company doing this....

According to Obama and Reid, both Google and Apple had product roll-outs just like this.
I think if Apple and Google weren't so afraid of crossing the Chiago thug they would call them out on that.

22 posted on 10/08/2013 3:53:39 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Little Pig
Hey, at least there’ll be lots of jobs for IT techs to try to get the thing working.

I'm very skilled and highly-regarded in my field. I also possess (the lowest level) government clearance. I would be HAPPY to help them unravel it.

....uh, but because it goes against my ideological ethos, I will need to charge five times normal rate. One portion will go to the Tea Party, one portion to Ted Cruz's campaign, one portion to the NRA, and one portion to various (genuine) charities.

Set up the interview.

23 posted on 10/08/2013 3:59:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Psalm 73

Talked to a patient yesterday in paying cash for a minor service. She told me over and over she has no money, please do not refer her for an x-ray, blah, blah, blah. I asked her if she had checked out the ACA. She replied that she didn’t think she could afford the premiums.

Ok, bozos, so NOW WHAT??? Another friend elsewhere suggested she sign up for Medicaid. Guess we’re now going to have a cornucopia of “free chit” that everyone can try to sign up for, yet that will pay out nothing. What a country.


24 posted on 10/08/2013 4:01:12 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: agere_contra
Sherry's Page: "Obama came into office wanting to be (and promising to be) everyone's knight in shining armor.Well sometimes your knight in shining armor is really just an @sshole in tinfoil!" I think that's what this has turned out to be....in my opinion. Just sayin'."
25 posted on 10/08/2013 4:01:55 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: tx_eggman
Don't do that brother. That could be reasonably called an attempt to perform a Denial of Service attack, which can net you a criminal charge.

However, since the instructions are not clear on how to do all this, you COULD enroll all your immediate family, each with a new application, and maybe all your extended family needs your help too. Perhaps you might need to enter 10-20 legitimate applications. :)

26 posted on 10/08/2013 4:02:00 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It’s a wonder they even launched a facebook site with all the comments out in the open.

Some of the “propaganda” pics are also quite humorous.


27 posted on 10/08/2013 4:04:20 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

I know! These comments people are leaving show how outraged people are. I am amazed they are leaving them up there.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 4:17:44 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: LibsRJerks
Edgars Freibergs As you sign up today folks don’t forget your free Obamaphone and to request a copy of Michelle Obama’s Healthy food choices book series. “How to survive on twigs and bark” … It will come in handy after you sell your first born to pay for the mandatory premiums!
29 posted on 10/08/2013 4:21:22 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Lazamataz

Get in line behind me. I’m already waiting for the contracts to start appearing. I’ve held a 5c/Interim 6c clearance for work I did with the Dept of Ed, and I specialize in Information Assurance, which ties nicely into the problems that McAfee pointed out the other day. Between this mess, the general “electronic medical records” mandate, the scare that this admin has put into companies who store info or apps in “the cloud”, and Google’s claim that they basically own anything anyone puts into their system, there ought to be a LOT of security remediation work coming down the pike in the next couple of years.

Assuming the whole thing doesn’t come crashing down around our ears, that is.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 4:31:24 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: LibsRJerks

Well, they’ve stopped making new posts a few days ago. They were making a new propaganda post about how great Obamacare is, but their last post was on Sunday.

I guess even the Healthcare.gov employees can’t defend their disaster.


31 posted on 10/08/2013 4:38:27 AM PDT by Velvet_Jones
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To: Little Pig
This should appeal to you :0)

A Mr Stephen Harris:

I am really concerned that hackers will break into the Health care web site... and fix it!

32 posted on 10/08/2013 4:39:05 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Little Pig

You’ll actually have to get in line behind me.... My clearance is current and I am Security Steward for two web apps already (among other roles) ... :)


33 posted on 10/08/2013 4:40:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Wow! Thanks for the link. I was just reading the comments on the healthcare.fu facebook site and people are livid!

I've been following the HealthCare.gov page on Facebook right from the ObamaCare get-go last Tuesday. The comments have been nearly universally negative right from the start.

Likewise on Twitter.

I think the Obamacrats are overlooking or underestimating the power of Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Social Networks to undermine the "good work" being done by the MSM to provide a positive picture of Obamacare to the American public. I think the power of the MSM is, at least in this case, being eroded dramatically by these networks.

The main reason why this is happening: These networks, particularly Facebook and Twitter, are dominated by the young (and often foolish Dem supporting) young people who are the targeted victims of the Obamcare Scam. Fortunately they are seeing through the plan to take their money, provide expensive health insurance they don't need in order to subdized those who are poor and those who are big users of hearthcare, typically the senior members of our society.

34 posted on 10/08/2013 4:42:55 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: agere_contra

Exactly right! It is ransom. Sibelius said that if young people don’t want to buy Obamacare, they can just pay the penalty. That is extortion, plain and simple! Chicago Care in action!


35 posted on 10/08/2013 4:51:18 AM PDT by abclily
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To: sheikdetailfeather
A telling detail from Beth Baldwin McCanna about the Healthcare Facebook page.

" ... omg - this is so funny - as I was writing this, I purposely did not capitalize "Obama", because I do not respect him, and this website automatically capitalizes his name. What incredible narcissism. Type in any other name, and it allows you to not capitalize it. But not little prince Obama's name. lol"

36 posted on 10/08/2013 4:54:02 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Lazamataz

Perhaps like FR, folks like to press over and over if they don’t think it worked the first time. Here we get double posts, there they get....*g*


37 posted on 10/08/2013 4:54:32 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Lazamataz
I found this post on the facebook page:

Cal Page- "I was affiliated with this project pretty closely for a while. A large part of the issue is born from statute and having to put together a complete jigsaw puzzle of a law by a date that was likely entirely motivated by politics. Another issue was inefficient government processes, and way too many people touching way too much. Yet another issue was that I did not meet one convincing or real programmer (forget about a programmer with a health IT/policy background). All I saw were a bunch of hack suits who carried the latest IT proj. management manuals - not impressed at all. These hacks ultimately became the managers of IT contracts. They know nothing about what the policy means, therefore they know nothing about what the business requirements accomplish. Therefore they have no grand vision of how to tie together the technical architecture on a macro level, other than what can be presented in nice PP presentations or Microsoft Project reports. Therefore, they could never provide any real oversight of the development and installation across multiple agencies (who have their own suits, IT managers, and contractors). So by the time everyone realized the real scope of the project in terms of operability with sooo many stakeholders, there was little money, little time, and little resources. I mean, I really could go on, but you all have essentially confirmed what I suspected/expected. It's not surprising that the homepage is poop, as I'm sure some details were overlooked. I do think that there are larger issues yet to be unraveled, and I don't know if there is the bandwidth and expertise to address a spread of wildfires. IT project management is a joke." 3 · October 6 at 4:35am

38 posted on 10/08/2013 4:56:48 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Fire_on_High

If you don’t get a response from the website, it’s clear the information didn’t transmit. I would recommend pressing submit again until you get a confirmation. Some people are too impatient and press ‘submit’ way too often! UH OH!!!!


39 posted on 10/08/2013 4:59:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Consider this:

Even if (when) the whole BS roll-out succeeds as planned... can you imagine going to a hospital or seeing a doctor for treatment ans wondering IF he has the correct information about you and your condition?

How about going in for treatment/surgery, etc. for ONE thing and then coming out with a body part removed or worse, which was never needed or intended???

40 posted on 10/08/2013 5:03:27 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

You’re right! I think that should be put in the comments section on facebook along with the other comments.


41 posted on 10/08/2013 5:05:38 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“...follow this unfolding disaster at any time in the comments section on HealthCare.gov’s own Facebook page, at https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov. (You do not need a Facebook account to view this page.)”

You don’t need an account to view the page, but it wanted me to login or sign up to actually make a comment.

So, my government is soliciting comments through a private entity of questionable reputation in regard to privacy, and I’ve got to sign up with that private entity in order to respond to the solicitation.


42 posted on 10/08/2013 7:38:36 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Part of the reason for a lack of understanding of the business requirements was the administration hiding the details of how things were to work so as to shield the program from political criticism. It’s hard to criticize a program if you don’t know the details of how it works. Likewise, if you don’t know the details of how it works, it’s hard to fix it or otherwise make it work properly.


43 posted on 10/08/2013 10:36:50 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh I know...I’m just giving them...ehh you can finish that thought I’m sure, if you remember the previous bits of the conbo.


44 posted on 10/08/2013 11:55:32 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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