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I need some Freeper help here. Have been trying to convince my son that the colleges here in PA are left-leaning. When I produced a list, he told me that I obtained the list from a right-wing site. I am trying to convince him that the economy is worse with Nobama than it was with Bush, same thing - I picked a right-wing site. Is Wikipedia a left-leaning site? That is the one he chooses when arguing points with me. He says my sources are always biased. Should I just give up on him?
1 posted on 10/08/2013 5:48:50 AM PDT by GYPSY286
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Show him your paycheck.

Ask him if he thinks it’s fair for the government to take SO much?


2 posted on 10/08/2013 5:50:48 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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Wikipedia is no longer considered an acceptable source for many college professors...and they’re leftists themselves. LOL.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 5:51:02 AM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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Tell him that attacking the source of the information is not a valid argument, and in doing so, he’s showing intellectual laziness.

Appeal to his natural youthful liberal arrogance.

He has to refute the points on their own merits.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 5:51:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Even highschool teachers won’t accept Wiki sourced material either.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 5:52:02 AM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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Don’t give up on him but understand that you have lost him for a while. Just because he uses terms like “right wing” shows that his education has been effective. Public school, yes?


7 posted on 10/08/2013 5:54:40 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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They are MORE left leaning than Harry Reid, I know, I am listed on Wikapedia and hardly any of it is TRUE!! Now, Try getting it changed....Forget it!!


9 posted on 10/08/2013 5:57:11 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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Yes it is


10 posted on 10/08/2013 6:02:25 AM PDT by GeronL
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When I was a news director, I told my reporters they were not to use Wikipedia as a source under any circumstances. I don't know if it's liberal or not, but being as anyone can edit any page makes it highly suspicious, and 100% un-credibile.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

12 posted on 10/08/2013 6:03:38 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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Wikipedia entries — which are almost entirely written by self-selected volunteers — are as subject to bias, distortion, and error as most everything else. As for worthwhile colleges in Pennsylvania, Grove City College is politically conservative but socially tolerant and well-regarded for its high admission standards and academics — and the Wikipedia entry is complimentary.


13 posted on 10/08/2013 6:05:08 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Wikipedia is definitely left leaning. I recall doing research for an article on Allende and Aristede and found the Wikipedia articles to be heavily censored and biased. I had to check numerous original sources before I had all the facts concerning Chile and Haiti. Anyone relying exclusively on Wikipedia is engaging in intellectual laziness.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 6:05:46 AM PDT by trubolotta
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Ask him what source would be acceptable, I’d be interesting in knowing what he thinks.

The school probably has a socialist democrat club website, just use it.


18 posted on 10/08/2013 6:10:30 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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Tell him he must pay for college, himself. Ask him how he will go about paying for it. I doubt Wikipedia will have the answer.

Wikipedia is not necessarily left-leaning, but you should point out to him that it's articles are constantly re-written by ordinary people, not professionals, and that it is not always accurate. It is not the Britannica. It lies. One can also be very selective with facts. You could probably use Wikipedia for your own research, too, to counter his. Also tell him that Google is in the tank with Obama (it's owner helped run his campaign), and that any search is geared toward left-leaning articles and websites. Yahoo is not much better.

19 posted on 10/08/2013 6:11:17 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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Wikipedia is user driven and simply not a reliable source. It has references but those references can be questionable. Not a reliable source.

To compare Bush years vs Obama, show unemployment line charts and have him demonstrate how 5 years of 7-10% unemployment is better than 4.7%-6% which is what it was for most of the term.

Then show a line chart of percent of the population employed. Ask him how this period is better. Let him explain it and decide. He may not give in now but it will be info to think about.

It might be helpful to look at the 90s too and talk about the House forcing Clinton into lower tax rates on capital gains and the resulting boom. Unlike obama’s hard line left beliefs Clinton signed off on a lot of good economic policies.


20 posted on 10/08/2013 6:12:34 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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I a word? Yes. You should also tell him that since the government is going to take care of him the rest of his life, he won’t need any inheritance.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 6:15:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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wikippedia is completely unreliable because anyone can get on it an edit, does your son know that?

But whether you can convince him or any other kid that can’t remember what USA was before the 1970s? No, they will just have to figure it out


23 posted on 10/08/2013 6:16:29 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Read their post on FreeRepublic. Then tell your son what you know of us.


27 posted on 10/08/2013 6:19:34 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Need health care? Dial 1-800-F1UCK-YO to reach Obama's hotline)
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He says my sources are always biased.

Any source is "biased." It's whether they're up front about it that counts. Which is why just about anything from the "objective" media is BS.

Should I just give up on him?

No, just be sure he understands that he'll be responsible for his own choices. That is, should he decide to major in Great Inuit Literature of the 17th Century, you're not going to be there to pay his bills when he - unexpectedly - can't find a job. Financial independence is a big motivator in determining one's politics; liberalism tends to fade when you don't have other people's money to engage in it.

29 posted on 10/08/2013 6:25:38 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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This doesn’t label colleges but offers some good information and it is a lefty site.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/18/is_there_a_liberal_bias_in_academia_partner/


30 posted on 10/08/2013 6:26:54 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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You can tell he wasn’t on his own with Bush or he wouldn’t even be needing proof.


31 posted on 10/08/2013 6:27:48 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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It is dangerous to rely on Wikipedia as a single, authoritative source. There’s a lot of unverified “content” and emphasis on certain aspects of topics that are not all that relevant or which stray into opinion. It may be a convenient starting place to get basic information about something but it is not a substitute for thorough research. It often reflects contributions from those with an obvious liberal bias.

He needs to learn to be intellectually honest with himself and examine multiple sources of information before developing a view on something. And that includes reading information that may be contrary to his feelings and emotions.

I wouldn’t give up on him. He will need to make many decisions in his life and needs to learn that maintaining an open and inquisitive mind will serve him well. You should cousel him to be weary of arguments that have a high emotional component, which is frequently the case with liberals.


32 posted on 10/08/2013 6:29:45 AM PDT by Starboard
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