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SHOULD THE PERMANENT NATIONAL DEBT LIMIT BE CAPPED AT 17.83 TRILLION DOLLARS ?
Graewoulf | October 8, 2013 | Graewoulf

Posted on 10/08/2013 6:34:52 PM PDT by Graewoulf

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It is time to tell our sorry RINO leaders that our National Debt Limit needs to be lowered by 10 % per year. What better way to do so than demand that our RINO Politicians to cap our National Debt at $17, 830, 000, 000, 000.00 at the end of Reid's Government Shutdown?

What say all of you?

1 posted on 10/08/2013 6:34:53 PM PDT by Graewoulf
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To: Graewoulf

If we’re going to start paying down US debt, let’s bring back American manufacturing first.

I’m completely serious.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 6:38:14 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Graewoulf

If we’re going to make it 17 trillion, we may as well make it 25 trillion or 100 trillion.

Calvin Coolidge speech on cost of government and cost to the citizens. Note the expenses of government he calls a “Stupendous sum” of 7.5 billion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puwTrLRhmw


3 posted on 10/08/2013 6:39:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Graewoulf

Great point. Our side should demanding that debt be reduced not increased.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 6:41:09 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Graewoulf

Cap it at 17 trillion and fix the annual deficit at the 2008 level.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 6:43:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Graewoulf

Um, Zero

Debt is bad


6 posted on 10/08/2013 6:44:11 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Graewoulf

Id rather nuke the bunch of em, but thats not an option.

All we can do... is to Negotiate such common sense... in forthright manner

We cant be responsible for the attitudes and behaviors of those who would remove a LIMIT altogether.


7 posted on 10/08/2013 6:44:45 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Graewoulf

And if we divided the debt among the 300 million people, how MUCH would each citizen be obliged to pay. THEN factor in that 47% of them aren´t paying anything...so now how much is the other portion indebted for per capita... My calculador doesn´t work with that many zeros.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 6:45:27 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: cripplecreek

Uh, - - - it is ALREADY at 17 Trillion, if the added expense of BARRYCADES are included.

The extra 830 Billion would barely be enough to slow down the inertia of Spendaholic Barry Soetoro, a Legal Citizen of the sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 6:47:19 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

My answer is good idea.

But stop for an instant to marvel what that would sound like to The Framers:

“We cap it at 18 TRILLION..! No more..!”

They would never have believed it would get to even 1/10th of that.

EVAR.

It’s stil a great idea, but we have been full-blown meth addict for...40 years, I figger.

But yes, let’s do draw the line.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 6:47:50 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"If we’re going to start paying down US debt, let’s bring back American manufacturing first. I’m completely serious."

What is your thinking there?

I'm in total agreement we need to bring back American manufacturing ASAP. And it probably makes sense to bring American manufacturing back before we cut government a whole lot, simply because employment is so high, and further unemployment is going to seriously hurt our economy.

But if we could start paying down the debt, why wouldn't we?

11 posted on 10/08/2013 6:57:11 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: rovenstinez

About 112,000 each. Just do it in millions of dollars and your calculator should handle it. If they do that, they can send my 112,000 bill to my new address in Australia. Where my share of the debt will be around 20,000 using your ratios.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 6:57:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: gaijin

If WE do not demand that a PERMANENT Cap be placed on our National Debt as part of the negotiation on the ABOLISHMENT of Obamacare, then it NEVER would occur to our Esteemed Congressional RINOs !


13 posted on 10/08/2013 6:58:05 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Better numbers: $1.783 million or just $1783.00


14 posted on 10/08/2013 7:01:02 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Graewoulf

The debt ceiling is settled law, just like abortion and Obamacare is settled law.


15 posted on 10/08/2013 7:02:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: DannyTN

I want to bring back American industry.

We have sent (far) too much American industry elsewhere, mostly to China.

It is time to pay Americans once again, and to bring back American jobs.

Now. You can meanwhile figure out how we can reduce debt, and I will support you 100%.

I however want to bring back US jobs.


16 posted on 10/08/2013 7:02:56 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lurker

Here are a few “settled” facts:

* Since Obamacare was re-written by the SCOTUS, it is not the same bill that both Houses of Congress voted on, or Obama signed into Law.

* Therefore, until the changes have acheived “The Advice and Consent of Congress,” the revised law is invalid, by standards set forth in the US Constitution and the rules of both Houses of Congress.

* In effect, Traitor John Roberts voided the same Law that he tried to save.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 7:06:33 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I however want to bring back US jobs.

Who do you plan on having work at these jobs? Illegals or untrained liberals or us old farts who actually have skills and discipline??


18 posted on 10/08/2013 7:07:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: justa-hairyape

so if it´s a 5 member household it would be more than a half million dollars debt. Boy, the next generation is screwed.


19 posted on 10/08/2013 7:08:42 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Graewoulf

Yes. Cap the debt where it is. FOREVER.


20 posted on 10/08/2013 7:09:16 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"I want to bring back American industry...I however want to bring back US jobs."

I agree. That's the biggest issue facing this country. And unfortunately neither party is focusing on it. I don't know if they can't figure out the problem, or the solution, or if they are afraid they can't sell the solution.

It's really frustrating that the only politician who has mentioned raising tariffs was RINO Romney, and even he wasn't very serious as he was allowing all kinds of outs for China.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 7:09:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: B4Ranch

The US actually has a high unemployment rate.

We need jobs.

Now.


22 posted on 10/08/2013 7:09:31 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Graewoulf

You will never cap the debt limit as long as the Federal Reserve exists.

They took money out of the hands of the citizens and put it in the hands of the Government and Wall Street. If Government does not have enough money now, or can not pay high interest rates, it simply prints it.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 7:18:07 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: DannyTN

“That’s the biggest issue facing this country. And unfortunately neither party is focusing on it. “

The secret now, that China is much more involved in the world, is to break China’s developing grip and bring back enough American industry to compete.

China used to be our under-developed stepchild.

I got news for everyone: China is now in the global lead.

Now.

We need to compete. With China.

Bring back American jobs now.


24 posted on 10/08/2013 7:26:28 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: PGR88

The problem is trust.

When the Bond Market ceases to trust “the full faith and credit “ of our currently worthless Bonds our spending will be capped, and our National Debt will not be payable, as our dollars too will be worthless.


25 posted on 10/08/2013 7:30:47 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

It should be capped at a much lower leval.If it were up to me I would limit the debt celiling below 16.5 trillion dollars.

if you don’t have the money you don’t spend it.This country can no longer afford to waste tax payer dollars.


26 posted on 10/08/2013 7:38:14 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Drago; Jane Long; Diogenes; Jim Robinson; onyx; All

If Obama resigned before October 17, 2013, would the “full faith and credit” of Obamanation be restored?


27 posted on 10/08/2013 7:38:15 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The way to do that, is to raise the import tariffs.

That would give bring the industry back to America.

And China would lose their biggest customer and easy access to the biggest consumer market.

They’d either end up having to pay their own people more in order to create their own consumer market, or they’d be busy trying to figure out how to employ and feed their own people again.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 7:40:39 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

You got my vote.

We need industry.

Here. In America. A lot of industry.


29 posted on 10/08/2013 8:03:04 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Graewoulf

SHOULD THE PERMANENT NATIONAL DEBT LIMIT BE CAPPED AT 17.83 TRILLION DOLLARS ?


Why? not.. it can be changed the way it is always is changed...
And nobody seems to care.. anyway..

American schools have made the people generally DRONES..
Drones working for the collective.. like bees... termites..
or even MOLE RATS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DcOEzW1wA


30 posted on 10/08/2013 9:34:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: skeeter
Cap it at 17 trillion and fix the annual deficit at the 2008 level. And how long before we reach the cap? We need to STOP incurring more debt, and pay down what we have! But we wont do that as we never intended to pay back the principle ....
31 posted on 10/08/2013 9:46:48 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: DannyTN
Tariffs wouldn't bring industry back to America.

They would turn what industry America still has into another piece of the welfare state. There's simply no need to compete when you have a captive market. There's a reason why the Soviet car industry wasn't the wonder of the world.

Tariffs would also give the Government the ability to choose winners and losers in the domestic marketplace, allowing them to effectively enforce unionization and the rest of their whacked-out agenda

If you hand tariff power to the Government then your most important competitive act suddenly isn't to work better, faster, cheaper - it's to lobby the Government for interventions that suit your company.

Because once you allow Government to place a foot on the hose of production, negotiating with that foot becomes more important than anything else.

Finally - tariffs breach Freedom of Association. Why would we force Americans to buy something they don't want? If a foreign car is better, faster or cheaper than a GM Volt, by what right would we interfere?


If you truly want to bring industry back to America then remove the barriers to industry in America. Capital goes where it is treated best.

Reduce Corporate taxation. Also, simplify taxation. Tax fulfillment costs have become a significant burden on smaller businesses.

Reduce the vast panoply of EPA and other environmental regulations. Companies aren't going to relocate to a country where wood stoves can be declared illegal.

Remove arbitrary, vindictive Government (we all remember Gibson's guitars, I hope).

Get rid of Obamacare. America isn't France. Companies need employees to work more than 29 hours a week, and that's only a small piece of the anti-competitive madness pouring out from Obamacare.

Well, hope this was helpful.

32 posted on 10/09/2013 12:13:07 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
"There's simply no need to compete when you have a captive market."

Wrong. American firms competed against other American firms for the first 190 years of our history when we had high tariffs. "Tariffs would also give the Government the ability to choose winners and losers in the domestic marketplace, allowing them to effectively enforce unionization and the rest of their whacked-out agenda "

OH NO! NOT THE UNIONS!!! The government won't be choosing between American companies. They'll just be restoring the tariffs that our founding fathers put in place and that servered us well our first 190 years.

If you really want to teach those unions a lesson off-shore all American jobs!!! That'll teach them. /s

"Finally - tariffs breach Freedom of Association. Why would we force Americans to buy something they don't want? If a foreign car is better, faster or cheaper than a GM Volt, by what right would we interfere?"

Wrong! Tariffs don't prevent you from associating with anyone. Tariffs don't even prevent you from buying anythign foreign. You just have to pay a little more for it.

Our founding fathers saw tariffs as maximizing American freedom because it allowed them to avoid direct taxation on citizens. They saw it as taxing foreign firms who wanted to do business in America. They saw it as a tax that was only paid by people who wanted foreign goods.

At the very least foreign goods should be burdened with a tax rate similar to what domestic manufacturers are burdened with. Plus Foreign goods should also be burdened with all the costs of American unemployment. Only then is the playing field level.

33 posted on 10/09/2013 5:38:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Graewoulf

Please, just have one wafer-thin mint, Monsieur. What is one wafer-thin mint added to $17,000,000,000,000?


34 posted on 10/09/2013 5:47:38 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: DannyTN
190 years ago the US was a continent-sized virgin territory with enormous natural resources administered under the common law.

But its legislature did what they could to enrich themselves from lobbyists and to grow the Federal Government - by introducing tariffs.

Industrialists in the Northern states decided that trying to compete with foreigners was too hard, and that the easiest way forward was to get the Government to force the people of the United States to buy higher-priced tariff-protected domestic goods.

Southern businesses were relatively impoverished because they were forced to pay extra for European goods. The tensions from this price-slavery arguably contributed to the Civil War.

After the Civil War ended tariffs were raised sharply - because the Northern industrialists had got their way through warfare.

The American people were made poorer by the new tariffs - to pay for the bloody war brought on by the economic distortions caused by the original tariffs.

Both before and after the war the Northern industrialists were able to use their protected positions to get rich off their captive populations. Hmm, I'm not sure why you regard this as a win?


"American firms competed against other American firms" - yes, in a restricted class. This is similar to what happens in peewee hockey, womens' football and the Special Olympics. It may be necessary for sports, but its not something to be proud of in business.


Tariffs don't even prevent you from buying anythign foreign. You just have to pay a little more for it.

So tariffs are ok, because businesses don't compete on price? Got it.

35 posted on 10/09/2013 6:48:23 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: InvisibleChurch; cripplecreek; All

What was the last dollar hike in the National Debt Limit?

Was it more than 830 Billion Taxpayer dollars?


36 posted on 10/09/2013 7:00:02 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: agere_contra
You can eliminate all U.S. Taxes and regulations and you aren't going to compete with Chinese labor at $2.00/day and 12 hour days.

Why compete with a communist country with 800 million excess workers willing to work for peanuts if doing so is going to devastate your industries, throw Americans into the unemployment line, increase the national debt, and America more dependent on foreign countries?

We've got the biggest consumer market, let's use it to our advantage and put Americans back to work.

When we are back to full employment, we can talk about when and how to make use of cheap communist labor. But right now we are following an out-of-business strategy that is quickly reducing us to third world status.

37 posted on 10/09/2013 7:09:10 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
America has (or rather used to have) a lot of competitive advantages. Good infrastructure, educated workforce, huge natural resources, English language, rule of law and (moreover) the common law.

The last five are currently being suppressed by Alinskyite politics. But they are not gone. If you bring them back (kicking out the EPA would be a good start) you will regain and retain industries.

And America now has the enormous bonus of 'Eagle Diesel'. That is beginning to make a huge difference. All you guys need to do to flourish is to remove the soft dead hand of Government intervention.

Remove that dead hand. Don't inject it with growth hormone. Don't insist on growing Government intervention by inflicting tariffs on yourselves.


It's good that you mention the American consumers: they will simply not be able to regenerate the economy while their buying power is being crushed by the voracious demands of Government.

The US citizenry need a sharply reduced tax and regulatory burden, just as much as US corporations do. The extreme & arbitrary burden of Obamacare is going to wipe out consumer purchases (just as much it's going to impair capital relocation).

38 posted on 10/09/2013 7:27:49 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
"It's good that you mention the American consumers: they will simply not be able to regenerate the economy while their buying power is being crushed by the voracious demands of Government."

What's crushing their buying power is unemployment. It's almost at 25% according to shadowstats.com.

The unemployment is caused by cheap imports. And there is no end in site to the cheap imports. China has at least 200 million more workers earning less than $1.50 a day that would love to come in from fields to a manufacturing job just as soon as China can import the businesses from the west.

Don't believe the the weekly propaganda put out about China about how they are either about to go bust, banking crisis, wages are rising, etc. It's just propaganda to try to keep us from reacting to their predatory trade tactics.

39 posted on 10/09/2013 8:33:04 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
The high unemployment - correctly reported by Shadowstats - isn't because America cannot compete.

It's because America has decided to compete with both hands tied behind its back while wrapped in four tonnes of chains.

Remove those chains and America has an excellent chance.

And just to reiterate what I mean by 'chains':

Massive corporate taxation, limitless legal vulnerability, crushing environmental regulation, employee-disrupting Obamacare and pro-Union arbitrary Government: these are why industry chooses to locate away from the USA.

Year on year dollar devaluation due to huge government and punitive healthcare costs/hour cuts due to Obamacare: these are just two reasons why the American middle-class don't have the discretionary spending that they used to have.

40 posted on 10/09/2013 8:52:39 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra
No, it's not that America is competing with both hands tied behind it's back. It's the wage differential and nothing else. Chinese are making 1/100 of American's salaries. At $2/12hr day, the Chinese are making $0.17/hr. While the average American manufacturing wage is $17.00/hr.

Even with many of our high labor industries outsourced, BLS reports that labor costs still make up 30% of manufacturing product costs. If you can outsource and reduce your product costs by 29%, you had better do it before your competition does.

Most regulation except payroll taxes affects only specific industries. And payroll taxes aren't going away. Neither is EPA regulations or OSHA Regulations. EPA regs only affect businesses producing toxic waste. OSHA regs are pretty much common sense that any manufacturing business should be doing.

The cost of regulations is pennies on the dollar. The wage differential is huge compared to the cost of regulation.

It's not over regulation for most industries. It's labor costs.

41 posted on 10/09/2013 9:20:15 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: agere_contra
No, it's not that America is competing with both hands tied behind it's back. It's the wage differential and nothing else. Chinese are making 1/100 of American's salaries. At $2/12hr day, the Chinese are making $0.17/hr. While the average American manufacturing wage is $17.00/hr.

Even with many of our high labor industries outsourced, BLS reports that labor costs still make up 30% of manufacturing product costs. If you can outsource and reduce your product costs by 29%, you had better do it before your competition does.

Most regulation except payroll taxes affects only specific industries. And payroll taxes aren't going away. Neither is EPA regulations or OSHA Regulations. EPA regs only affect businesses producing toxic waste. OSHA regs are pretty much common sense that any manufacturing business should be doing.

The cost of regulations is pennies on the dollar. The wage differential is huge compared to the cost of regulation.

It's not over regulation for most industries. It's labor costs.

42 posted on 10/09/2013 9:20:16 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
BLS reports that labor costs still make up 30% of manufacturing product costs.

We are on the same side but that stat is not true. We are offshoring to save 9% not 29%. Making it all the more foolish.

43 posted on 10/09/2013 9:25:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN
EPA regs only affect businesses producing toxic waste.

I think you may have missed a few items in the news.

The Left has defined the very air we breathe as toxic waste, and the EPA have done their damnedest as co-conspirators to codify that into law. I bet China and India aren't about to enforce the use of multiple blends of engine-killing ethanol.

Obama publicly declared war on Coal in his election campaign - and the EPA have done his bidding on that too.

And let us not forget the Delta Smelt

15,000 California farmers, ranchers and their employees driven out of work by a small fish - and by the ugly insanity of the EPA.

I'm just scratching the surface with these examples. New stories of regulatory overreach in the name of Gaia come on FR every week.

And here's the thing. Those farmers and ranchers in California were comfortably competing against everyone on the planet, no matter how poorly paid. The one entity they couldn't compete against was their own Government.

44 posted on 10/09/2013 10:04:24 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra

Did you forget farm subsidies? Surprised you used agriculture as an example of competition when it’s so heavily subsidized.

The Obama overreach is new. We got high unemployment before Obama’s Coal and Carbon insanity. We know we have to change administrations, but that won’t fix the fundamental problems affecting our economy.

I don’t know the issues with regard to the Delta Smelt. Wikipedia says the job losses were closer to 5000 with most of the job losses coming from drought and not a change in pumping.

I’m sure you can find isolated instances, where wildlife protection acts have hurt jobs. But that’s a political choice. If we are going to choose to have a clear environment where wildlife is protected, then that’s just all the more reason to protect our market from countries that don’t have similar protections for their environment like China.


45 posted on 10/09/2013 11:02:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Oh agriculture is an excellent example of what I'm talking about. It exquisitely displays the Government's penchant for choosing winners and losers in an intervened marketplace.

Big or 'lobby' agriculture qualify for all kinds of subsidies and exemptions. They even got laws written to mandate the use of Ethanol, the gasket-dissolving non-fuel.

But if you are small, unlobbied agriculture - on the other hand - you just get hosed. Unpasteurized dairy, any kind of subsistence farming, any small plantation of cash-crops such as pistachios - the Government are your worst nightmare.

There should be a dedicated thread on this, as Freepers have a lot of experience both 1st and 2nd hand of the financial repression that crushes small agriculture in the US.

Big Agriculture in the US rakes in the subsidies. They are protected from competition from Small Agriculture because they got to write the qualifying rules. In fact they compete by qualifying for the rules and subsidies, NOT on efficient food production.

And if small Agriculture is still competitive: hell, just discover the Delta Smelt. That way you get to stop small agriculture from irrigating its own land, bankrupt it and then buy its assets for cents on the dollar. Drought, hell. The water was right there, it just had a fish in it.

We can look forward to similar rent-seeking and corruption the moment the Government are asked to intervene in other domestic markets either by subsidy or by tariff. And we don't have to look far. For instance: there's Solyndra, and half a dozen other names from America's protected Green Energy 'industry'.


Hmm, you appear to believe that the EPA are just high-minded folks looking out for a clean environment. If you hold this view sincerely then please wake up.

This theory about the EPA amounts to culpable ignorance. I am debating if I should try to assist you by pinging you to the next EPA atrocity story: if I do then please don't be offended.

46 posted on 10/09/2013 12:05:04 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra

bump


47 posted on 10/09/2013 12:06:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: DannyTN

Tell you what: I’ll note them when they show up and list them out next time we have this discussion.

That seems like the best, least-intrusive way.


48 posted on 10/09/2013 12:08:15 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Graewoulf

Cap the debt limit at 5% of GDP.

Shoot anyone trying to spend over that when we are not actively in a major International War.


49 posted on 10/09/2013 12:09:24 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: agere_contra

You’ll have a handful of isolated instances. Probably almost all of them new. None of them affecting all businesses. Probably none of them affecting all manufacturing, except maybe indirectly through energy prices.

Also, earlier you mentioned China not forcing blended fuels. Okay, but a gallon of gasoline in California which is usually a high price state is still cheaper than a gallon of gasoline in China. So even though we have regs affecting the price, it still hasn’t put us at a disadvantage to China.

The wage differentials are the key. And that alone requires us to protect our market, unless we want to see every industry that can be moved off-shore, moved offshore.


50 posted on 10/09/2013 12:11:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
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