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SHOULD THE PERMANENT NATIONAL DEBT LIMIT BE CAPPED AT 17.83 TRILLION DOLLARS ?
Graewoulf | October 8, 2013 | Graewoulf

Posted on 10/08/2013 6:34:52 PM PDT by Graewoulf

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To: agere_contra
So you are saying what? That we shouldn't protect our market because big agriculture uses it's lobby power against small agriculture?

And "unpasteurized milk" is not a good example. Unpasteurized milk was clearly linked to health issues back in the 1980's. Whether or not unpasteurized milk still causes health issues is up for debate, but the medical community is not convinced, and this is completely irrelevant to this discussion. We aren't importing unpasteurized milk.

The Amish seem to do just fine on subsistence farming. But that's because they are willing to live like they did 100 years ago. They aren't buying the satellite dish or the latest cell phone.

Lots of small farms around, we've got a garden out back. Probably you're seeing state or local issues not federal.

51 posted on 10/09/2013 12:21:45 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Also, earlier you mentioned China not forcing blended fuels. Okay, but a gallon of gasoline in California which is usually a high price state is still cheaper than a gallon of gasoline in China. So even though we have regs affecting the price, it still hasn’t put us at a disadvantage to China.

Ah, but do you remember what I said about America's competitive advantages?

America can't compete on wages, but wages are not the most significant cost component for thousands of products and services.

But where America does enjoy advantages - such as the fuel cost disparity you mention - it's being thrown away.

That fuel cost disparity isn't as much as it could be - and therefore isn't decisive in bringing work back to the US because of the uplift attached by aging refineries (aging due to EPA rules), Ethanol blends (EPA rules) and fuel taxes (sheer bloody-minded Government).

This is why Eagle Diesel is so exciting. Extremely cheap energy in America's heartland. It has the potential to change everything. If anything can bring industry back to the US DESPITE the EPA, Obamacare, etc, etc it is America's natural gas revolution.

The Left - who I feel I should mention are not our friends - are doing their damnedest to stamp out fracking before America shakes loose from their control.

52 posted on 10/09/2013 12:27:15 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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Energy prices can certainly help. But they aren’t likely to offset the wage differential. The wage differential is 1:100 and affects 30% of the product cost of the manufactured goods we have left.

Energy is 16% of our GDP. And probably most of that is consumer usage for homes and car gasoline. I bet energy costs aren’t 5% of most product costs. So yah, you manage to cut energy costs 10%, which means you’ll lower product costs 0.5%. Offshore to China and lower product costs 29%.

Nothing compares to the wage differential.


53 posted on 10/09/2013 12:33:28 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Ok, you really need to pick up the news on this.

The FDA - who I feel I should point out are another regulatory body of the United States like the EPA - have carried out dozens of armed raids on people who sell unpasteurized milk: also organic produce and natural supplements.

They have seized their property and livelihood under color of law. In most cases they have not presented warrants nor shown any probable cause.

Here is an indicative timeline

This is evident, in-your-face, Government tyranny on behalf of Lobby Agriculture against their small-time competitors. And you haven't heard of it? Or you don't think its relevant?

It is highly relevant to this discussion because it shows what happens when a market becomes hostage to intervention. Government Intervention is what you are wishing upon every market in the United States - you need to look hard and long at the toxic effects of that.

54 posted on 10/09/2013 12:41:55 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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Ok, end-of-day here. See you all on the next thread. Goodnight to all.


55 posted on 10/09/2013 12:46:27 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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So now you are saying we shouldn't raise the already existing tariffs back up to where they were because the FDA raids people who illegally sell unpasteurized milk??? That doesn't make any sense.

Unpasteurized milk is completely irrelevant to this discussion because we don't import it.

It's illegal and if you sell it you are breaking the law.

And yes if we raise the tariffs, and you smuggle goods into the country without paying the proper tariffs you're likely to get raided and your goods seized. That's okay by me.

56 posted on 10/09/2013 12:55:12 PM PDT by DannyTN
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