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Republicans Say Obama Underestimates Their Resolve.. (Committed to doing something big)
Roll Call ^ | October 8, 2013 | Matt Fuller

Posted on 10/09/2013 12:00:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

If you thought Republicans weren’t serious about a debt default, think again.

While Democrats refuse to negotiate on the continuing resolution and the debt limit, apparently assuming the GOP will eventually cave, House Republicans insist they are prepared to bring borrowing authority to a screeching halt.

“I can assure you it’s not posturing. It’s not a political play or anything like that,” Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., told CQ Roll Call on Tuesday.

Gingrey said Republicans were “absolutely” prepared to lose the House to extract concessions on the CR and the debt limit, and he said the White House is “missing the determination of the Republican Party.”

“I mean, they seem to think that we will miss this opportunity for a ‘Braveheart’ moment to do the right thing for the American people and that we’ll back down for fear of losing the House and not gaining control of the Senate,” Gingrey said.

President Barack Obama held a news conference Tuesday during which he reiterated his position that Democrats would not negotiate with Republicans “for the mere act of reopening the government or paying our bills.”

But Republicans insist Obama will have to negotiate if he wants the debt ceiling raised, and it is that impasse that makes a debt default far more likely than many anticipate.

“I don’t think he’s going to win a game of chicken,” said Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., about Obama’s “no negotiations” position.

House Republicans were expected to pass a bill Tuesday evening that would create a bipartisan, bicameral working group to address the current fiscal impasse.

The don’t-call-it-a-supercommittee Bicameral Working Group on Deficit Reduction and Economic Growth is supposed to force Democrats to the negotiating table — or at least provide more political cover for Republicans.

Democrats are skeptical, and the White House has issued a veto threat. Obama said he’d be willing to consider adding a process for negotiations to a short-term debt limit increase — provided that it’s not a “concession” to the GOP.

“I know that Speaker [John A.] Boehner has talked about setting up some new process or some new supercommittee or what have you,” Obama said. “You know, the leaders up in Congress, they can work through whatever processes they want, but the bottom line is, either you’re having good-faith negotiations in which there’s give-and-take, or you’re not.”

Good-faith negotiations, for Obama, means the GOP has to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling for at least a short-term basis.

That seems to be a nonstarter for Republicans.

“There can be no movement until they come to the table,” said Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky.

Massie seemed to believe, like many in the GOP, that Republicans hold the better public relations position on the shutdown and the debt limit, and that Democrats have blundered.

“I think they miscalculated their message,” Massie said. “They have the wrong message. [The] American public is not going to respond well to a president or a Senate that is not going to negotiate. That’s a horrible message for them.”

But Democrats feel they have a winning argument.

House Minority Whip Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., indicated Tuesday that he thought Americans were sick of the posturing and mini-CRs the House has passed.

“It is a game. It is a pretense without substance and without principle. It’s all politics,” Hoyer said.

While Republicans and Democrats are at a negotiating impasse, it is the communications impasse that is perhaps more alarming.

Asked whether the White House had miscalculated the determination of House Republicans to extract concessions on the debt limit even with the threat of default looming, Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas, said, “You hit the nail on the head there — that’s exactly the problem.”

While Farenthold cautioned that he can’t read the president’s or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s minds — “I’m not sure I’d want to if I could” — he said both had misjudged the GOP’s stance on raising the debt ceiling.

“It’s about what’s good for America; it’s not about politics,” Farenthold said.

Indeed, Republicans seem to believe they’d do more harm by passing a no-strings-attached debt ceiling hike than by defaulting.

“The only thing more irresponsible or insane than the president letting us default on our debt would be the president’s demand that we increase the federal debt ceiling without addressing our nation’s spending problem,” said Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., at a GOP leadership press conference Tuesday.

For many Republicans, the shutdown and the debt limit have nothing to do with politics. And according to one senior GOP lawmaker, that’s precisely the miscalculation from the White House and the Senate that could lead to a debt default.

“The White House and the Senate need to figure they’re playing with fire,” the lawmaker said.

The lawmaker told CQ Roll Call that the White House is “still sort of locked in the old school that, ‘We won’t shut down the government, we won’t default.’

“And here we are in a shutdown, and they think they’re just going to play politics,” the lawmaker said. “And they got to understand that there are people that are real committed to doing something big and doing something effective. That’s why they came here.”

The lawmaker added that the White House never established relationships with members, that the White House doesn’t understand “especially the sophomore class, and they underestimate their willpower.”

The senior GOP lawmaker said it was never the speaker’s plan to shut down the government or default. And yet the government is closed, and default, a once unthinkable proposition, is a real possibility.

“That’s what I’m saying,” the lawmaker said.

“They think it’s all just politics. It’s not. These guys, a lot of our conference, a majority, are committed to doing something big. It’s why they ran, it’s why they came here,” the lawmaker said. “And they keep thinking it’s politics.”

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: conservatives; debt; economy; shutdown
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To: Rummyfan
Stand your ground GOP. Because I think we are about to see a meltdown on the other side.

Nero wants to take down the country, but most of the Rats don't. I think this will ultimately split off the rest of the Democraps.

41 posted on 10/09/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good, keep it simple....if Obama and Reid do not wish to come to the table and are unwilling to negotitate, then they and they alone are responsible for a closed government and the default scare.

Keep it simple, Obama will not come to the table = Obama’s fault.

42 posted on 10/09/2013 11:51:48 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Netz
Don't get down. Zero's popularity has plummeted 7 points in the last week, to as low a level as Bush's lowest rating.

The AP poll shows that Republicans are blamed by 60% of the public, and 50% blame the Democraps. I guess 10% voted for both.

This is much lower than in 1995, when the difference was 22%. And Republicans suffered no lasting effects from that shutdown.

Moreover, the trend is good, since more and more people are learning about the disastrous effects of Obamacare.

43 posted on 10/09/2013 11:54:57 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Republicans need to see this crisis through to its logical conclusion now that it has begun. If not now, then when? There is never a convenient time for unpleasantness. I don’t want to live under any form of Socialism, regardless of the short-term cost to fight it.

44 posted on 10/09/2013 1:22:50 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Jimmy Hoffa Time.

45 posted on 10/09/2013 7:57:04 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
So what? Obama could drop to 5% and he'd still be the POTUS. He doesn't care if 1% support him, he needs to ramrod his policies down the throats of the public and heck be damned!
If this was his first term, I could understand the numbers but he's in an Alfred E. Newman mode of “What me worry”?
He's Teflon and the masses still think he's the Messiah, so I ask, so what? He's still flubbing domestic and foreign policy and the public does not care.
46 posted on 10/09/2013 10:06:35 PM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

The Glorious Won, Clown Prince nobama, is every hour approaching an emotional breakdown. Keep up the resistance because it is NOT futile. Resist in any way you can. Resist.

47 posted on 10/09/2013 10:33:07 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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