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Should social conservatives abandon the phrase “traditional marriage”?
The Collegiate Theist ^

Posted on 10/11/2013 9:24:17 PM PDT by Collegiate Theist

It seems like any time someone wishes to express their opposition to the redefinition of marriage, they start by extolling the virtues of so-called “traditional marriage”. In doing so, their intentions are undoubtedly to explain why it is that succumbing to the push for a more “inclusive” definition of marriage would be harmful to society. Their choice of words, though, may very well hinder their argument....

Whole article: http://collegiatetheist.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/should-social-conservatives-abandon-the-phrase-traditional-marriage/

(Excerpt) Read more at collegiatetheist.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: blattingog; christian; doma; homosexuals; marriage; pimpmenot; possibleblogpimp; thoushaltnotpimp; traditionalmarriage
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1 posted on 10/11/2013 9:24:17 PM PDT by Collegiate Theist
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To: Collegiate Theist

The phrase traditional marriage does not hinder my argument. It hinders THEIRS.

Pipes get bent....so should they.


2 posted on 10/11/2013 9:29:55 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Should idiots stop writing articles like this.... read the rest at my blog....


3 posted on 10/11/2013 9:32:24 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Collegiate Theist
I think government should get out of marriage and leave it to the churches. The "traditional definition" of (civil) marriage lost it's top argument with the 50% divorce rate.

As far as homo marriage goes, my church won't recognize it. I'll leave that to the Anglicans and Henry the VIII's descendants.

4 posted on 10/11/2013 9:40:53 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Traditional marriage is marriage in accordance with Natural Law. It is heterosexual.


5 posted on 10/11/2013 9:44:40 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Darren McCarty

government cannot “get out of it”

who do certain benefits go to is a big thing since the government is the largest employer in the country


6 posted on 10/11/2013 9:45:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Walkingfeather

Yep, even the question is stupid.

Why should conservatives constantly be asked to surrender?


7 posted on 10/11/2013 9:47:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Collegiate Theist

What is the alternative word or phrase that you propose we use?


8 posted on 10/11/2013 9:47:43 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Collegiate Theist

Let the gub’mint allow “civil unions” and leave “traditional marriage” and holy matrimony to the church. Remember, like the libs say, “separation of church and state”!


9 posted on 10/11/2013 9:49:20 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Historically, social embracement of homosexuality and sexual deviancy has been the downfall of virtually every great civilization. We saw it with the ancient Greeks and the Roman Empire.

America is going to be the next great civilization to fall if we continue on our current liberal path to obscurity.

“Those who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it.”


10 posted on 10/11/2013 9:49:57 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: jeffc

So, “civil union” benefits for gays and no marriage benefits for anyone else?


11 posted on 10/11/2013 9:49:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
who do certain benefits go to is a big thing since the government is the largest employer in the country

Which needs to change.

Start by eliminating the TSA, BATF, IRS, EPA, most of the executive branch, (and I can go on and on)

12 posted on 10/11/2013 9:50:49 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Darren McCarty
I think government should get out of marriage and leave it to the churches.

Since there is no government church in America, your argument is to end marriage as humans know it and just let everyone create their own definitions, which of course, the government will still have to recognize as it has throughout history.

Marriage has always had a legal definition whether it was from the Greeks or Romans or Sharia law or Catholic law for a while, or tribal law, or whatever, marriage and families and death and divorce lead to the need for law.

13 posted on 10/11/2013 9:51:11 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: GeronL

What?


14 posted on 10/11/2013 9:53:22 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Welcome to FR.


15 posted on 10/11/2013 9:57:29 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ansel12
People right now can just live in sin and call it whatever the hell they want to call it. Doesn't mean I have to recognize it. My church looks quite unfavorably on homo marriage, or divorce for that matter.
16 posted on 10/11/2013 9:59:14 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Excellent point! The Catholic Church has addressed this issue by standing on the condition of marriage as it is in the Catholic Church, as one of The Seven Sacraments.

Catholics enter into the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and always have. This means it is not a gimmic, produced out of thin air to meet a threat. It is ancient, in the Church.

Thus, reliance on the Freedom of Religion clause will enhance their defense of marriage on proven and crystal clear religious grounds.

Given their reluctance to recognize a Catholic divorce, they will be seen as quite credible on their serious view of “marriage”.

The regime has successfully made a mockery of all things “traditional”, already.


17 posted on 10/11/2013 10:01:01 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DustyMoment

It’s probably too late. There’s no greater symbol of America’s cultural decline into the sewer than embracing the abject deviancy of homo marriage. An America that embraces this is not an America worth saving.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 10:03:21 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Collegiate Theist; humblegunner; shibumi

Any reason for excerpting your material?
/ hat tip to the blogger overlord who is currently on break and a side ping for popcorn.


19 posted on 10/11/2013 10:04:21 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Collegiate Theist

How about “real marriage”?


20 posted on 10/11/2013 10:07:07 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: Darren McCarty
People right now can just live in sin and call it whatever the hell they want to call it. Doesn't mean I have to recognize it. My church looks quite unfavorably on homo marriage, or divorce for that matter.

Which has nothing to do with anything, except your personal feelings or your personal church members, the Mosque, or the Gay Church of the Goats may have different internals, it isn't law.

You do mention what should be a well known point though, people can and always could, call whatever they wanted, "marriage" between themselves or their group or within their church, the Mormons do today for instance they marry dead people, but it isn't legal so who cares?

Society and the government has to know what a legal marriage is.

21 posted on 10/11/2013 10:13:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Collegiate Theist

I don’t know about the term ‘traditional marriage’, but they definitely should stop using the word ‘gay’.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 10:16:13 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: Collegiate Theist; Darksheare; humblegunner; Vendome; TheOldLady
WARNING!

Excerpting your own material on FR
May engender the wrath of our residents.
Most notably - The BLatting OG.


23 posted on 10/11/2013 10:16:44 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Collegiate Theist

I try to avoid using the term ‘traditional marriage’ when I can.

It implies that there is some sort of non-traditional marriage, which there isn’t.

There is only one type of marriage, and everything else is just a delusional attempt to make disturbed people feel normal.

If I have a real Rolex watch (I wish) and you have a fake one that you got at a market somewhere, I don’t say that my Rolex is ‘traditional’.
No, my Rolex is a damn Rolex, and you’re an idiot with a fake piece of crap around your wrist.


24 posted on 10/11/2013 10:16:49 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

“...If I have a real Rolex watch (I wish) and you have a fake one that you got at a market somewhere, I don’t say that my Rolex is ‘traditional’.
No, my Rolex is a damn Rolex, and you’re an idiot with a fake piece of crap around your wrist.”

Bingo ! ! !


25 posted on 10/11/2013 10:48:58 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Collegiate Theist

This Wittgensteinian use of Language-—is to control “perceptions”. He who controls the words determine the “worldview”. The Marxist control over publications and media-—and schools (USDOE) is to control worldview-—erase the Individualism in Christianity-—to erase Christian Ethics. (to collapse culture).

In using the term-—”traditional” marriage-—you are stating that there are other legitimate types of “marriages”-—so you are normalizing the idea that there are all sorts of possible “marriages”. Same with putting “homosexual” in front of the word “marriage”-—it normalizes the irrational concept—esp. in children. What was odd—becomes normal after decades of using that term.

Same with the word “gender”. It is to open up the possibility of more than just boy and girl (now they have “its” in Sweden—genderless children) (irrational/removal of Reason/Natural Law(Science) from the minds of children.......it is like the word “partner”-—to destroy the concepts of wife and husband-—words eradicated in “new” children’s books decades ago to normalize the concept of non-married couples living together.

Whether you realize this or not-—worldview is created by language-—by the emotions tied to the words-—and they use “operate conditioning” on ALL CHILDREN in public school (embedded in the Billy Ayers curricula) and in TV shows-—which will elicit the “correct” emotion (one permitted) which is tied to a concept——like sodomy = Good/Right and Chrisitanity = Bigot/hater. These concepts are in their literature/questions/history lessons-—everything-—math “problems” and their “sex ed” which will destroy Virtue in children.

I am reading “Sex Education: the Final Plague”. It outlines how Sex Ed was inserted into public and private schools over the last 70 years—and by whom—evil Atheist/Sodomites/Satanists/Marxists—who all want to destroy Christian Ethics-—because it uses Natural Law and Reason and Individual Rights from God. Can’t have that in unjust/slave societies.

Literally-—Sex Ed during Latency and post-Latency erases morality in those exposed to “Sex Ed” which promotes perversions and unnatural ideas which they embed in children to normalize evil as good. Flips morality-—to the using of the body as an object (means to an end) which is slavery/prostitution/homosexuality-—all dehumanizes and leads to nihilism and the destruction of culture—for totalitarian state.


26 posted on 10/11/2013 11:08:02 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Monterrosa-24; Viennacon
What?!?

You mean that there aren't a small number of factory issued "misprints" labeled as "Rolodex" that are worth tens of thousands on the collector market but are offered by a few select street vendors for $249.95?

(We'll see what Rick Harrison has to say about this!)
27 posted on 10/11/2013 11:12:16 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: savagesusie

I always thought he word “queer” was apt.

I really resent them co-opting the word “gay.”


28 posted on 10/11/2013 11:14:52 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Collegiate Theist

29 posted on 10/11/2013 11:33:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Collegiate Theist

No

How does it make sense to abandon a term 100% of people understand?


30 posted on 10/11/2013 11:43:49 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Real marriage?


31 posted on 10/12/2013 1:36:30 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: shibumi

That’s a great picture. Horrific without being a horrible or sleazy picture. I will use sweet little OG in one of my games.

Do you recall where you found it?


32 posted on 10/12/2013 2:13:39 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Viennacon

Well said.

There’s real, conjugal, natural law marriage.

And then there’s fake, non-conjugal, unnatural, erzatz, government-defined marriage.


33 posted on 10/12/2013 2:19:50 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Collegiate Theist

See you, ZOT Hole...


34 posted on 10/12/2013 2:52:31 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: montanajoe

What’s wong with you?

Why do you have such a hard time accepting absolutes in the face of ambiguity?

You....Make...me...Thick....

Digthugthing bathuhd....


35 posted on 10/12/2013 2:54:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Welcome to FR.

Make your point by publishing the entire article on FR. We don’t like leaving the compound to service alternate agencies.

I hope you have a good point to make concerning semantics.


36 posted on 10/12/2013 3:01:24 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Darren McCarty

>> I think government should get out of marriage and leave it to the churches

I completely agree.


37 posted on 10/12/2013 3:03:36 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Collegiate Theist
The pimp and the poster, a mod lecture series thread.
It's a good place to start looking for "should I excerpt my BLatting OG or not?"information..
38 posted on 10/12/2013 3:08:27 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

>> A Mod Lecture Series

priceless


39 posted on 10/12/2013 3:09:26 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

>> What is the alternative word or phrase that you propose we use?

Marriage


40 posted on 10/12/2013 3:09:59 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Yes, they were helpful and inspirational.


41 posted on 10/12/2013 3:13:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: GeronL

>> So, “civil union” benefits for gays and no marriage benefits for anyone else?

I propose society take the risk of leaving marriage to Faith allowing private industry to market its wares according to any criteria it deems practical without involvement of the iron fist.


42 posted on 10/12/2013 3:13:56 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Collegiate Theist

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2776537/posts

Another in the mod lecture series.


43 posted on 10/12/2013 3:21:16 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Collegiate Theist

Collegiate Theist
Since Oct 11, 2013


Welcome to FR!!


44 posted on 10/12/2013 4:45:11 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Darksheare

sorry, I was not aware that doing so was frowned upon. Is there any way to edit/delete a thread once it’s posted?


45 posted on 10/12/2013 4:57:01 AM PDT by Collegiate Theist
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To: shibumi

Thanks, sorry. I wasn’t aware of this when I posted. Is there a way to delete the thread now?


46 posted on 10/12/2013 4:57:01 AM PDT by Collegiate Theist
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To: Viennacon

Well said. This was my point exactly.


47 posted on 10/12/2013 4:57:01 AM PDT by Collegiate Theist
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To: shibumi

Can someone help me edit or delete the original post?


48 posted on 10/12/2013 4:57:01 AM PDT by Collegiate Theist
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To: agere_contra

Internet search for “Lovecraft” images.


49 posted on 10/12/2013 6:05:37 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Collegiate Theist

No.

You are doomed.


50 posted on 10/12/2013 6:06:48 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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