Skip to comments.Constructive secession by Red States: Real possibility unless King Barack I is stopped
Posted on 10/14/2013 9:17:36 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Patrick J. Buchanan has raised the question asked here fifteen months ago: Is there a peaceful civil secession of Red States underway? Originally raised here in July 2012, we asked if there wasnt a real possibility of what we described as a constructive secession which would accomplish what The Confederacy could not achieve.
As we described the situation those states that have grown tired of the overbearing Barack Obama Administration and see it as no longer intolerable could engage in conduct that would amount to de facto if not a de jure secession from the United States.
Red Staters have long recognized that if we cant find a way to stop Obamas shredding of our Constitution by his arrogant abuse of Executive Orders we are certainly headed for a...
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How about a Gov who just refused to allow the closure of coal fired power plants in his state? The EPA is an unelected govt agency running roughshod. If allowed to continue you will see major power outages in the near future. All part of the plan.
Sadly, for I have lived during this nation’s greatness, now being toppled by a bunch of morons and idolatoers of money, I agree.
Along with the idea of secession, to preserve what might be left to save, the other ugly word must be contemplated, paryed, meditated about ... eradication. As unto the Cannanites, the Carthaginians.
I look forward to moving from my rapidly bluing “People’s State” to one of the new states. Keep the news coming.
I would just as soon that Texas become it’s own country again—and we could oust all the illegals—and yankees-—and Californians
(Just kidding about you yankees who are here..........)
Judge Andrew Napolitano: Revolution is Duty of the People.
It would be an interesting exercise. Of course it would work better with 30 or 40 states cooperating with each other and ignoring the feds. Strength in numbers.
The left hates the idea of secession of those they seek to subjugate. It really gets them in a twist.
I was thinking yesterday that the Rapture is equally offensive to them,
because, just like secession, but on the Ultimate Grand Scale, the Rapture leaves them to the hell they’ve created, and those they wanted to punish with this hell will have escaped.
Recently I switched from a Insurance company located in the NorthEast to USAA, which is located in the south. It cost me nothing, but I sleep better knowing my hard earned money is going to support some 'Blue Stater' who is voting for candidates that seek only to oppress us.
Just one of many ideas I'm working on - this needs to be a regional movement .
Libs/Leftists are taking the Red States, one state at a time. Some call it Kalifornication and it is happening in several Western states.
Most Pubbies are not going to jump on the secession bandwagon because they are too happy with the status quo and their go-along-to-get-along strategy.
Some type of ‘virtual secession’ might work wherein several states agree that they will no longer comply with onerous federal regulations, etc. Just ignore them. But the trick is to have states join in blocks to solidify their position and ability to resist.
To a certain extent, this type of thing is already happening on the liberal side with the so-called sanctuary cities. Are they not ignoring federal immigration laws? They don’t comply, they just do what they want. Conservative states could do likewise.
The red states will never be allowed to leave peacefully. If it comes to that they should be ready for a federal invasion.
Seems to me, a peaceful, lawful step towards an amicable divorce would be something like.....having local tea party groups prove up their membership, then allowing them based upon their membership to appoint a certain number of “delegates” to a convention.
Probably a convention in each state, to keep travel somewhat limited.
Each state convention would then pass a resolution by those delegates stating something like, “the union is not working, and we want to see immediate discussions between states that want to go and the federal government commence on how to accomplish a peaceful, orderly transition”.
(Of course those discussions won’t happen...but seems to me that that needs to be the first step).
That was I think generally how the colonies started movement away from the king. They tried, and tried for a reasonable epriod of time. Eventually, b/c the king was non-responsive, they set forth a long list of grievances and declared independence, in the second continental congress.
But the point is, there was already a mechanism in place which the residents of the colonies recognized and respected which gave the delegations to the continental congress some legitimacy.
Yes, we would need to spend some money on conducting elections, ballot security and so on, as well as renting of convention facilities, etc. But these challenges are overcome.
That is how I see this proceeding.
But I would like to hear some responses (not snarky ones, but ones oriented towards a plan, an even better plan....and one that is workable).
I meant to say that each state convention would also elect a smaller number of delegates to a national convention.
The national convention would write up the resolution to be submitted to the King.
I heard/saw a TV ad this morning put out by our Secretary of State. It said voters have to show a picture ID to vote, then it described where voters could get a free ID picture card if they don't have one.
Freaking Eric Holder took us to court to stop our ID picture requirement, and Attorney General Abbott won that for us. Holder has said he will try again to stop us. He hates Attorney General Abbott and Texas in general.
This is what I mean by saying we are already seceding. Abbott said he would have any federal officer arrested who took one step into our state to go into our polling places. He said the same thing about our defense weapons. Said he would have any federal officer arrested who tried to remove handguns/rifles from our citizens.
Texas refused to join the new Medicaid part of Husseincare.
We have seceded every time a new POS rule/law tries to take away our state sovereignty.
This progression of events is as old has humanity and is immutable.
It would be much harder to do now because of direct withholding. The feds now get their hands on your money before you do so they can extort you, your community, your state into doing what they want - unless you are willing to walk away from the federal 'benefits'.
“That is solution #3 to the problem of irreconcilable cultural differences. It comes after Migration and Partition. When neither of the other two are possible, or if they fail to resolve the issue, then sooner or later someone will cry “havoc”.
This progression of events is as old has humanity and is immutable.”
You are exactly right, But it will not be a rehash of 1861-1865. Asymmetrical warfare is a b*tch. The invaders had best not imagine that they will be able to resume their happy lives when they are done. There may be no home to return to.
When such action is take by Red States, such as Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, West Virginia, North Dakota, Kentucky, and South Carolina, there would have to be a demand by these newly formed independent nations to the to the current federal government to pay Reparations so that these new nations could make up for the loss in the money that they currently receive from the federal government.
Good point. The States have to get control of the taxes paid to the Feds. Otherwise, this is a fool’s errand.
Yes they are ignoring federal law!
So, states that don't want illegals overrunning their communities should band together, start rounding up the illegals within their borders and ship them off to all of those caring, liberal, "sanctuary" cities and states. Just ignore all federal edicts and laws regarding the handling of the invaders and let the "Sanctuary" places have them.
We in the South just want to be left alone
We want to live our lives how we want to
we want very small government and freedom
The free market must be left alone to provide the multitude of products and services that actually work (unlike oppressive government that doesn’t work)
for this the media and democrats call us racists, because we want freedom and to be left alone
The next step in restoring state sovereignty is for states to require that all tax collections be escrowed within the state until the legislature authorizes their release.
That would work.
I suspect that many patriots who play with the idea of secession are guilty of not knowing why the Founding States made the Constitution in the first place, which was to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
The challenge for constitutionally-enlightend patriots is the following. They need to get low-information voters, including their fellow patriots, up to speed on the federal government’s limited powers so that they can see how DC lawmakers have been lying to them about their abuse of powers.
many of these morons have daily 3 hours shows in which they could repeatedly call for the resignation of this communist demon Obama. they could detail its many unconstitutional acts including Obama ordering the IRS to rig the election for Obama and the democrats. they could beat the drum for protests, to call for it's resignation, but they choose only to follow the mainstream media
Of course, most of the natural resources are in the potential seceeding states, so they would have a powerful bargaining chip. Assuming that the means of production of said resources were not a casualty of the war, which is not a given.
All things considered, a "big" secession has the greatest chance of success.
Hey, some of us ex-Californios are model Texans now!
BTW, I'm all for Texas snipping the political bonds with the former USA. Wouldn't take long for the rest of the red states to join us in a restored constitutional republic. In not too long a time, the blue states would come crawling on hands and knees, begging us to come back.
They'd probably hate the terms of re-unification, though. Left-liberalism in all its forms would be abolished by constitutional amendment for starters, and the welfare state would be a thing of the past.
To put a fine point on the matter: our founding fathers did not seek to educate the Tories. They sought to drive them out.
Good point, except Obama and Holder will bring the full weight of the federal leviathan down on any red state that tries to ignore their pet mandates, regulations, and laws.
They've already sued individual states for clamping down on voter fraud, or for instituting state laws that reinforce federal immigration law.
This isn't 1861. Americans no longer have the stomach to murder millions of their fellow citizens over a matter of political union, and there will be no public support for any regime that attempts to use our military for such overt suppression.
We already have such conventions in place. They're called state legislatures, and they all have the power to draw up and pass Articles of Secession.
What I fear most is a catastrophic miscalculation on the part of government that will start violence that cannot be stopped. This business of deliberately targeting veterans in shutting down federal services was absolutely deliberate and entirely unnecessary - these have very little ability to affect the outcome of the logjam in federal government but are a prime target for the sort of class warfare that the current administration can't seem to outgrow. That immaturity in office is like a four-year-old with a loaded revolver in hand.
The only hope I held to in 2008 when the ship of state careened to the left was that 0bama could grow in office. He hasn't. He has become more bitter, more ineffectual, more hostile and divisive, more like then general of an occupying army than a political leader. He's not going to grow, and neither are his people.
It's been estimated that during the Iraq war, there were never more than fifteen thousand 'insurgents' engaged in active hostilities against U.S. forces, yet they managed to tie up our entire military for nearly ten years.
In the end, we left without achieving a real victory, and that country is now rapidly reverting to what it was before we arrived.
What sort of odds does anyone think the U.S. military would have against MILLIONS of armed American 'insurgents', fighting for their families, their homes, and their very freedom?
I like it.
Good luck with that.
You wonder why grey hairs predominate at every Tea Party gathering and protest? It's because the public schools quit teaching the fundamentals of American citizenship, our history, and constitutional principles back in the 60s.
You've got two or three dumbed down generations of ignorant government dependents to bring up to speed before the whole thing crashes. Do you really think you (or we) can win that race?
I wish secession was a concern. That, at least, is a somewhat controlled movement with an objective. Sure, it could end in violence, but it doesn’t have to.
The problem is, we’re facing a complete systemic collapse. It’s just a matter of time. IMHO, it’s too late to stop.
There won’t be a negotiated settlement when that happens, nor will there be a way to stop the violence once it starts.
I find it ironic that the people who prattle on about “sustainability”, never turn that metric to the government that many of them worship.
People do not change. Human nature is the same now as it was in 1861, or 1775 or the day that that Cain slew Abel, for that matter. Faced with the imminent loss of power (and probably the means of food and energy production) the Federal government will put boots on the ground in your hometown faster than you can say "Abraham Lincoln". And all it takes to force a soldier to obey any order is put another soldier behind him with orders to shoot him if he hesitates. It worked for the Soviets, and it would work for Barack.
Attorney General Greg Abbott is running for governor. I'm sure Hussein and Holder are gnashing their teeth over that. No way do they want him as governor. He has spit in their eyes many times and will continue to do it when governor.
I think being confined to a wheelchair since his college days and not letting it stop his life, has made him fearless - he doesn't give a s-— about Hussein/Holder's edicts. He is also able to verbalize/state his case, very well, as Perry never could.
Have you been telling low-information voters about the Founding States' division of federal and state government powers, this division of powers evidenced by the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment?
Even if the states were able to do that, what’s to stop the feds from printing up a ton of new dollars in order to retain control over the states through devaluation of the currency? Wouldn’t the creation of a new currency recognized by the world’s largest economies be one of the first steps a new red state nation would have to take?
The new division won’t be state to state, or county to county. It will be door to door. Talk of secession is silly and immature - a modern secession movement would be much more catastrophic as the last one we tried.
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