Posted on 10/15/2013 7:25:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs
This failure of an option B has set the stage for Bohners end game, very much like what happened early this year with taxes.
Reid Slams New House GOP Debt Limit Offer (Hissy fit) Roll Call ^ | 10/15/13 | Meredith Shiner
Reid will pass his ‘bipartision’ bill using a procedure that only requires 50 votes but gutting a previously passed bill. That allows lots of GOP Senators cover to vote symbolically ‘no’ with no effect.
Then that Bill goes to house and Bohner puts it up for a vote and passes it with Pelosi Dems and a few Dems like Peter King, this will give lots of GOP house members plenty of cover to vote ‘no’ with no consequence.
That Senate Bill passes in the house as is Obama and signs it. Crisis ended. GOP gets pretty close to nothing. But Congress keeps their Obamacare subsidy and all those government employees who got furloughed get paid for that extra vacation. .
Lastly, no one challenges Bohner as Speaker just like in January. He keeps his job. None of them want it.
I almost forgot, Dems go into their Thanksgiving and Christmas celebrating their great victory over GOP and the Tea Party.
GOP(nor me) , not quite as happy.
Better luck next time ping!
Actually, sounds about right for the Republicans. I expected less and got less so I can’t complain.
I can vote though!
/johnny
RINOs make me sick.
Obama is holding the funding of the government hostage, no one else. Can RINOs articulate this? No.
Obama demands that a very expensive and very defective program be funded or that nothing be funded. Congress has offered him one year to work out the problems but Obama demands all or nothing and calls it “bending over backwards”.
Obama spends money to erect barriers where none existed - all an effort to make us capitulate to his will. For this alone he should be opposed unyieldingly. Make him capitulate. Shame him.
NEVER CAPITULATE TO THIS DESPOT.
I tired of these symbolic losses long ago.
I really wanted to see Obama and Reid swallow something that they found tasting bad. Just something
But unfortunately I knew from the start it would end just the way it looks like it will: GOP gets nothing.
Dems go into holiday celebrating their new single party rule (they will see it that way anyways)
Hopefully amnesty is dead.
Nop, Obama hasn't signed a bill yet.
Just what I see coming in the next day or so.
/johnny
The RINO-Dem Coalition at work
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079399/posts
> Having hammered out a deal to shoot back to the Senate tonight — with most Republicans reportedly on board... Then the medical device tax delay was stripped out, and the “full Vitter Amendment” (no special treatment under Obamacare for Congress, staffers, and White House officials) was inserted in... opposed to stalling or repealing the tax as part of this deal... The delay would look like another favor to big business rather than the little guy... would take the issue off the table as a Democrat-dividing maneuver for future negotiations...
and from the “he’s just pissing off everyone today” desk:
Reid accuses Boehner of trying to ‘torpedo’ progress toward ending stalemate
NBC News | Oct 15, 2013 | Tom Curry, National Affairs Writer
Posted on 10/15/2013 4:24:37 PM PDT by mdittmar
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079375/posts
Senators Near Fiscal Deal, but the House Is Uncertain
New York Times | October 14, 2013 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR and JEREMY W. PETERS w/ Ashley Parker, Jonathan Weisman, Annie Lowrey & N. Popper
Posted on 10/15/2013 1:53:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus’ Wife
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079063/posts
House preparing to vote tonight to end shutdown, avoid default
Washington Examiner | October 15, 2013 | By SUSAN FERRECHIO |
Posted on 10/15/2013 1:49:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus’ Wife
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079307/posts
Whispers: Might the House GOP Adjourn and Leave Town After Passing ‘Final Offer’?
townhall.com | 10/15/13 | Guy Benson
Posted on 10/15/2013 11:31:30 AM PDT by cotton1706
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079255/posts
House GOP to try to counter Senate debt limit plan
yahoo.news | Oct 15, 2013 2 minutes ago | ANDREW TAYLOR
Posted on 10/15/2013 7:16:04 AM PDT by 11th_VA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079149/posts
Reject This
Red State | 10/15/2013 | Erick Erickson
Posted on 10/15/2013 3:01:57 AM PDT by IbJensen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079075/posts
My bet is the only thing that will happen tomorrow night is an short extension of the debt ceiling, 2 months. Gov still shutdown
Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
Dimocrats everywhere hope you are right.
I don’t think you are.
If our guys cave they might as well join the Dims; they will NEVER have leverage against them. Our side NEEDS TO PUT OUT ADS, like billboards with El-Presidente’s face and a quote; “I will not negotiate”. It wouldn’t cost that much and with the electronic billboards could go up within a day.
Good idea.
Wow, You are still sure that Obama will cave and defund Obama-care. Rejoice! Thats great news.
That's not exactly insightful considering I pointed it out that Dems will celebrate the GOP cave over holidays.
As I said, Bohner will go to Pelosi to pass it, again.
Difference is I don't go around spouting defeatism to try to kill off the very real momentum that conservatives have gained.
/johnny
momentum ???
Your faith in Bohner to hold the line is very inspiring.
Morale is an important part of any fight. You are either supporting the fight and keeping up morale, or you are supporting the other side.
Which is it?
/johnny
I always like the idea of a short term extension in return for cutting off congress and their staffs Obama-care subsidies like the latest failed play.
Especially wiping those smirks off of Reid and Obama’s faces,
But it looks like its ‘all or nothing’ which in this case = nothing
I was actually in the Senate gallery back in 2011 on the night of the first ‘big cave’ after Boehner became Speaker of the House. Remember, that’s the one where he went back to the Republicans and said “I got the best deal I could” on spending cuts, which turned out to be an increase of a couple hundred million.
Imagine how this country might have been different if he’d showed some fortitude back then and held out for a couple of weeks. Instead he’s got a track record of buckling under as soon as the smallest amount of pressure is applied so everyone - media, conservatives, GOP and especially the Dems - just assume it’s a foregone conclusion.
Looks like Bohners going to go to Dems like Pelosi to pass a bill like he did those other three times.
The others will have plenty of cover to vote no except a few like Peter King who will join Dems.
Your faith in Bohner NOT doing that is inspiring.
At the very least, we need to make congress live with Obamacare...as well as their staff. I mean, that’s not even hard. If we can’t get r stuff together t o even accomplish that, then we truly are pathetic. It’s so frustrating to have the math on our side, the facts on our side, even the majority of the people on our side......we have everything but the politics on our side. Those are controlled by the media and they always win.
/johnny
Once the camera's are off and the reporters leave, the D's and R's congratulate each other that they managed to fool us all for another day.
This cycle will continue until we do one thing:
Hang 'em all, hang 'em high.
In the spirit of our Founding Fathers complete with tar, feathers, and swinging by their necks on the steps of the Capital. That's the fix we need.
Believe it or not he Dems now consider that sequester deal a big Obama sellout to the GOP and part of why they demanded that he not give the GOP anything on this, which he didnt so far.
I made a simple case to try to avoid this Kabuki dance.
The end of last yeas I challenged Freepers to talk their favorite House GOP like Lou Gomert to run for Speaker against Bohner after he went to Pelosi for votes twice.
Not one responded.
Is all a familiar dance
I am not Rush, I don't get paid big $$$ to tell you sweet fairy tales that you want to hear.
I will save that brainless work for others.;
No one will take Boners job,call your favorite pet house hero and ask him to run against him as speaker, I dare you. He will never return the call.
72 posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:02:20 PM by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
Get on the phone and call your favorite House member to run as Speaker and tell us what he said,
26 posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:58:08 AM by sickoflibs
Get someone to run against Bohner, its that simple.
52 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:02:18 AM by sickoflibs
You should challenge them (your favorite house members) to oppose him as Speaker by running for it themselves now , this losing and then scape-goating whining stuff is long past old.
49 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:46:45 AM by sickoflibs
I don't want sweet fairy tales, and I don't listen to Rush.
What I want is for so-called conservatives to knock off the defeatist talk and borrowing trouble. Because that DOES affect morale.
It's not over until it's over. You are calling the game early. Like the liberal media is trying to do.
/johnny
Reality is reality, its not defeatism.
Defeatism is rushing into a machine gun nest with blindfolds on.
Thank you so much for the pings! I really appreciate all that you do!
Amnesty passes or Obama shuts us down harder next time.
You've embraced defeat so closely that you felt compelled to write up your defeatism and share it with those that might not have quite given up yet.
/johnny
That is one of my main points. Why not try to hurt Dems?
GOP will vote symbolic no’s
Obama-care will stay law.
Congress will still get that special $$$ for Obamacare
Bohner will remain Speaker.
If some here dont like it then they should address it and stop it, not live in wonderland.
That reminds me of when Rush told his listeners that Romney would win in a landslide and many listeners were repeating it. Oh, better not contradict Rush or that is defeatism
Then boom! What happened?
Opening your eyes and thinking is NOT defeatism. NO wonder Obama beats the crap out of GOP with such logic.
This may throw some fire on the congress......bet ya Obama’s meeting to plan on evoking Executive Priviledge.....won’t matter if it’s an impeachable offense....he’ll evoke the 14th and force the Supreme Court to stop him......
.....”Lew will meet with President Barack Obama ‘and’ Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday in a closed Oval Office strategy session”.
One bright side of all this is that time might be run out to pass amnesty.
Holidays coming up.
Doesn’t matter. They will legalize 16 million illegal aliens next week. All will vote Democratic. Republicans will be irrelevant.
One bright side of all this is that time might be run out to pass amnesty.
Holidays coming up.
How many times in the past 3 weeks have you called and sent letters to your congresscritters? Even if you do live in a liberal hell-hole, that's no reason not to put pressure on them.
/johnny
WTF?? Bashing.
‘WHAAAAAA’.
What does he always call his mommy when he goes after others?
Isnt there a nice polyanna ‘Obama will surrender tomorrow’ thread here that would make you two lovebirds happy?
You could post one yourselves. Hit ‘post’
I promise to be more polite than you two are on it.
Thanks Whenifhow!
That's pointless if you don't have a clue what went wrong because you think that being blind is the way to win,
then you never learn nothin.
...like those who still support Rush for making them think that Romney would win in a landslide.
Calling Nancy Pelosi office over this is just ridiculous.
Zero and Reid are pushing the country toward a Constitutional crisis, and their partisan media shills are trying to lay down the memes. I’m sure my allegedly intelligent family members (just ask ‘em, they’ll tell you how smart they are and how stupid everyone is who disagrees with them) will be among the small but sizable group in the country who will wholeheartedly support the destruction of the Constitutional structure in favor of “paying our bills” (IOW, raising the amount that we owe in order to spend even more).
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