Posted on 10/20/2013 7:55:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I like that, because with the current regime they would add in “public employees.” Then we would be in a permanent status as serfs working for the government class.
That’s what the Founders said. Under the Franchise system, a civilian would still have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. No one could deprive of earning a livelihood and holding property; not enslave or draft you. You simply couldn’t vote or hold office without meeting the conditions of the Franchise.
being a slave. servant of the fascist government master is not a “contribution” to anyone but the FGM
Presently we have more of a mob voting to steal then citizens voting for proper government. The question is more correctly “How can a nation ensure the people voting for government officials have both adequate knowledge to make informed decisions and the moral underpinning to prevent voting to steal or worse from their fellow citizens?” This question is as old as man. Our founders understood that men themselves are the problem and attempted to protect our future by ultimately adopting the constitution. With its rules and the separation of powers the hope was it would protect us from the corruption of man. Part of this barrier was a restriction on who could vote. With this restriction our nation prospered and the foundation was set for national greatness. So strong was that foundation that it has resisted continued dilution of the voter pool to the point where even the most ignorant of individuals had the franchise and felt it a duty to vote. But the combined efforts of a marxist government and a marxist propaganda press have damaged that foundation and perhaps destroyed it. So, let’s return to the original formula. You have to own property to vote. And let’s add to it. You must also have served at least two years in the armed forces. And you must also pass a citizenship test. And you must not be receiving welfare, social security or any other government transfer payment of any type. Disabled veterans excepted. And you must present identification to vote. And you will be marked indelibly after you vote. I can see long term problems with this but it would go a long way to correcting our present problems.
bump
serve the beast, and get a vote
and if those servants of the beast are the ones who vote we’d be able to control the beast how?
No vote, no taxes then?
I won’t have to pay taxes, that sounds fair
You must be willing to be sodomized by your government masters and you must say you LOVE Big Brother.... then they will let you vote.
Big Fascist Government Brother
People forget that voting in the US was a franchise, not a right.
The Founding Fathers embraced the idea that the voting franchise was extended only to landowners (and male at that). The rationale was that these had the vested interest of the country at heart.
The argument for this limited franchise was a good one, but not the only one. I submit that it was far better than the universal franchise upon majority that we now have.
I also submit that a national service requirement for the voting franchise makes more sense than the current franchise. Whether it’s the best is open to consideration.
You should be a holder of real property to vote.
That’ll never happen again unless we divide into two or more sections.
“Didn’t you pay in to Social Security and Medicare? That’s not true of TANF, SNAP, farm subsidies and the rest, at least not directly.”
I would remind all those here, FICA (social security) goes by the real name of “Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax”
Clearly, even in it’s name is the word “insurance”. It was designed and sold to the citizens an insurance... Why would anyone think one did not have a “right” to collect on your “insurance”?
It’s true that the politicians stole all the money, but that doesn’t mean it’s not owed.
The same is true of decades of promises of “free healthcare for you and your dependents” which led many a person to do 20 or more years in the service and then was welshed on.
I know that the book has been used for training purposes for military officers and that it addresses issues of esprit de corps and discipline for trainees. It delves into interesting aspects of ‘basic training’ for military recruits and it really ought to be read widely.
I think that the notion of earning certain aspects of citizenship such as holding office and voting makes a degree of sense. What we have currently is a system that is virtually guaranteed to result in destruction of the Republic as we are clearly witnessing.
“The same is true of decades of promises of “free healthcare for you and your dependents” which led many a person to do 20 or more years in the service and then was welshed on.
Very true...
I can’t say though that I was lured by healthcare. The idea of retiring at 40 almost got me though... But I made the right decision I think. I got out after my hitch and went to work for HP for the next 35 years. I can’t complain.
For the first two, no, because you paid into them. It’s not your fault the government blew your account balance on the political equivalent of hookers and blow.
Farm subsidies, no.
That was pretty simple...
In the state of our current system, it’s about a 50-50 split these days among eligible voters over who pays Federal Income taxes and who doesn’t. I’m thinking representation without taxation ain’t such a hot deal, either.
Don’t worry, we’ll never have to live under a Franchise. The net-receivers won’t allow it.
Absolutely. If it were limited to native and naturalized citizens who were net tax payers, I'd be happy with that. That's about the best we can possibly hope for these days. The founders were more restrictive.
Free, white, male, 21, and a property owner, iirc.
There may have been others who had skin in the game, but in colonial times, that pulled in most.
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