Skip to comments.Carney denies people misled on keeping healthcare coverage
Posted on 10/29/2013 11:45:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
White House press secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday denied President Obama had misled the public when he said that consumers could keep their health insurance plans after the passage of the Affordable Care Act.
Carney said that consumers who "had a plan the day before the Affordable Care Act passed and signed into law" and who had not either dropped their coverage or "been thrown off the plan" by their insurance companies were "grandfathered in and can keep that plan."
"If you've kept it, you can keep it forever, as long as your insurer offers it," Carney said.
The controversy centers around a small but important segment of healthcare consumers who purchase health insurance on their own.
These consumers usually about 5 percent of the American population typically purchase year-long contracts with insurance companies for coverage.
But many of these plans do not satisfy basic requirements of the Affordable Care Act. Under ObamaCare, plans must offer certain "essential" benefits like free preventive care to qualify as acceptable.
Under the ACA, those non-qualifying plans could be "grandfathered in" allowing subscribers to keep their exiting coverage at existing prices, even if they don't offer all the benefits mandated. But plans cannot be carried over if insurance companies have made substantial changes to key elements of the policy.
Insurers regularly alter benefits and co-pays from year to year, and thus many individuals with privately-purchased insurance won't be able to keep their same coverage after ObamaCare is implemented.
Because of that, insurance companies have begun sending out 90-day notices to their customers informing them that their policy will no longer be offered, and instead instructing them to purchase a new policy.
Republicans have seized on that as evidence that the president misled Americans when he said in 2009 that, if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan."
On Monday, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he had "heard from hundreds of my constituents who are seeing their premiums rise, theyre seeing their policies being canceled."
"Many, again, are losing their plans," Boehner continued.
But the White House has downplayed the significance of this turnover, noting that individuals rarely purchase the same plan for their own health insurance from year to year.
A study by Health Affairs cited by The Washington Post found that just 17 percent of individual market subscribers purchased the same policy for two or more years.
The administration also argues that those who must find a new plan will choose from a menu of options providing better coverage. Now, coverage for things like hospital visits and birth control will be provided. And, the White House says, federal subsidies will help reduce the price of that more extensive and expensive coverage.
Hey Jay Jay! Where the heck is my 2500 bucks!
I didn’t expect him to admit it.
The TRUTH has left the building on this administration!
Jay Carney lied.
President Obama lied.
Obamacare sets the rules for insurance companies then tells us It's not Obama's fault insurance companies dropped them.
Obamacare ,Sopranos type middleman for you healthcare
“A study by Health Affairs cited by The Washington Post found that just 17 percent of individual market subscribers purchased the same policy for two or more years.”
The question is did the other 83% purchase a significantly different policy, like they have to do now.
It was never allowed to enter.
Sadly, it never made it to the driveway, let alone the building.
ya know how pigs like to roll in mud, dogs in poop, horses in dirt..
Carney, a good name for the times we face.
It,s a circus ..
It would be easier to post the number of people in the “most transparent administration ever” who aren’t lying.
That number is.........zero.
He worked for Time, for crying out loud.
Obama lies, people dies.
Heres the Liar King telling the mother of all whoppers.
This was posted on another thread. I hadnt seen it before, and its just stunning. Enjoy!
A level playing field would have had the exchanges with mandates compete with plans with NO mandates but then that would be insurance not welare.
Anyone who utters this explanation, should be rounded up and shot. It’s infinitely offensive.
I loathe these bastiges. They know well and good that the insurers are being required to drop these policies because they don't "qualify" under the law.
Interesting. But I think I’ve figured out the problem.
While certain politicians in WashDC are destroying America (economically and in terms of our national defense, alliances, values, and morals), the American public frankly doesn’t give a dam*.
They aren’t even interested.
Herewith are the titles (not the articles themselves, just the titles) of the top 50-most read stories in today’s leading newspaper from Northern California’s largest city:
(do you see ObamaCare, or Obama funding world Islamonazi Terrorists, or Harry Reid preventing a federal budget for the 5th straight year, or ANY of those big, important stories.... take you pick....add your own......do you see any big important stories impacting the future of America or the world, on the public’s list of stories they actually care enough about to read.....below?
Most-Popular among all readers (of the San Jose Mercury News):
Of The Day: This list ranks the top 50 most-clicked articles so far today.
Google’s top-secret floating facility: A waterborne data center, or gadget showroom?
Tesla stock falls after another Model S fire caught on tape
‘Dancing With the Stars’: Teary Nicole refuses to leave the stage
Roadshow: 10-and-2 is no longer recommended position to grip steering wheel (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
San Jose: Suspected drunken driver backs over, kills female acquaintance (down 1 1 from the previous hour)
Golden State Warriors now among NBA’s most hunted
Editors’ Picks: Top stories on MercuryNews.com
Climate change pact signed by California, Oregon, Washington and British Columbia (up 2 2 from the previous hour)
Judge OKs class-action suit against Apple, Intel, Google, Adobe (down 1 1 from the previous hour)
Fremont teen killed, another arrested on suspicion of DUI, manslaughter after crash (down 1 1 from the previous hour)
Ex-Santa Clara County Supervisor George Shirakawa Jr. indicted (up 2 2 from the previous hour)
49ers’ bye week comes at perfect time
Netflix snags reruns of Showtime’s ‘Dexter’ (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Steve Jobs house added as ‘historic resource’ (up 5 5 from the previous hour)
Woman to face charges Tuesday of killing Menlo Park couple while drivin
Safeway executives sell stock after rumors of buyout offer (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
What to do when your computer gets kidnapped by ransomware (down 3 3 from the previous hour)
Sriracha factory odor a nuisance, California city claims (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Retailer sandblasting bans have changed little in the garment industry (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Review: Bridge School Benefit disappoints at Shoreline (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Covered California chief, Peter Lee, defends delay of enrollment figures
Google, Apple and other tech giants look to a post-cookie era
Home-sale contracts sink as mortgage rates, prices rise (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Marin: Celebrity chef Guy Fieri testifies in Max Wade trial (up 5 5 from the previous hour)
Kawakami: San Francisco 49ers taking aim at Seattle Seahawks rematch (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Wine: Decanting in a blender? (down 1 1 from the previous hour)
Apple’s slowdown continues
Mega Millions winning numbers, Oct. 22 (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
World Series schedule (down 1 1 from the previous hour)
Vaping — a form of tobacco-free smoking — is a breath of sweet air
Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver likely to be disciplined internally (up 5 5 from the previous hour)
Desert mystery: Trapped man dies slow, lonely death in Utah (up 87 87 from the previous hour)
Google stock split near after judge approves lawsuit settlement (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Hayward: Two San Mateo men charged in death of Hawaii resident (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Artist David Hockney’s iPad and iPhone artwork goes on display at the de Young Museum (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Obamacare’s winners and losers in Bay Area (down 5 5 from the previous hour) (((OK I see Obamacare did make the list, here it is in rank 36)...
Cupertino council clears huge Apple ‘spaceship’ campus for liftoff (up 16 16 from the previous hour)
Roadshow: Why shouldn’t the disabled pay to park at meters?
Intel’s Renee James says mobile delay due to lack of prioritization (down 7 7 from the previous hour)
Golden State Warriors preview: Key players, big dates, expectations (up 3 3 from the previous hour)
Santa Clara unveils development plans near Niners stadium (up 9 9 from the previous hour)
Homicide suspect arrested at SFO, authorities say (down 2 2 from the previous hour)
Biz Break: Apple has an answer to investors’ profit concerns (down 6 6 from the previous hour)
Purdy: It’s too early to compare Pryor with top young quarterbacks (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Grading the 49ers’ 42-10 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars (down 4 4 from the previous hour)
7 tips to help improve battery life with iOS 7 (up 1 1 from the previous hour)
Extortion or art: Oakland grapples with graffiti (up 12 12 from the previous hour)
Tesla shows off Model X SUV at new Palo Alto showroom (up 3 3 from the previous hour)
San Jose: ‘Very alert citizen’ finds at-risk woman who was reported missing (down 7 7 from the previous hour)
CA judge performs wedding after sentencing killer (down 11 11 from the previous hour)
House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer conceded to reporters today that Democrats knew people would not be able to keep their current health care plans under Obamacare and expressed qualified contrition for President Obamas repeated vows to the contrary.
We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage, Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
Oh yeah, let's see Carney and the administration get caught up in a bunch of double-speak over what was promised. The people aren't blind to this, they'll feel it, and it hurts.
Obama lied and the economy died.
"CBS News has learned more than two million Americans have been told they cannot renew their current insurance policies -- more than triple the number of people said to be buying insurance under the new Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare."
I don’t have profanity adequate for this idiot.
Someone needs to send this to the scumbag.
Someone needs to send this to the scumbag.
Go to BING, type Obama, and the system proffers the following selection as the most likely to match your request before you press Enter:
“Obama if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”
Hoyer: .................”We’ve used that [message] in trying to allay the fears of people who have group policies or significant coverage through their employer, which was the overwhelming number,” he said. “I think we could have caveated [to say], ‘Unless you have coverage that’s insufficient to accomplish the objectives of giving you adequate, quality healthcare.’”
Pressed as to whether Obama and the Democrats misled the public on the topic, Hoyer conceded the party’s message could have been better articulated.
“I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. But it was not precise enough,” he said. “Clearly, it should have been caveated with, ‘Assuming you have a policy that, in fact, does do what the bill is designed to do.’ “........
Is the S starting to hit the F?
“.....The promise that patients could retain their current coverage was designed, Hoyer said, “to allay the fears of somebody that had insurance group insurance, for the most part that do meet the criteria.” ......
The same thing is set to happen next year when all of the policies provided by employers are required to meet the “Employer Mandate” and same set of O’care minimum standards. Those not being affected now, standby.........
Eat it, DIMs/LIBs. Eat it full time, you dishonest degenerates. You own it. Nothing any LIB/DIM ever says is the truth. They wouldn’t know truth if it hit them in the face. Who would have thought that a whole class of subhumans (DIMs’/LIBs) could be narcissistic psychopaths? Who woulda thunk it?????
Jay Carney the Useful Idiot.
If this weren’t so true it would be funny.
“You can keep your doctor and your insurance “ may be Obama’s defining line. You know, like “ I am not a crook” and “I did not have sex with that woman miss Lewinsky”
Next he will be saying, all these people losing their insurance, is just a bunch of Tea Party lies.
Coming soon to the MSM, when the template has been tested and officially launched, by Carney.
It’s just beginning, and the Rino’s will be in full support.
well, I guess when the bobby sox media prints stuff like this, it’s kind of a victory, isn’t it? About as much of an admission that Obama is the worst president in living memory, I mean. The socialists had to lie large and repeatedly to get this loathsome piece of Pelosi-Reid abomination across the finish line. The media knew all along the claims the left made were laughable, but couldnt report it since it would hurt “la causa”.
Let it burn and then let’s hang them.
“If you’ve kept it, you can keep it forever, as long as your insurer offers it,”
And that’s the point. We no longer needed maternity coverage so our high deductible insurance didn’t cover it. Now it must, so by definition, my policy is no longer offered by my carrier.
They lie with impunity because they know the democrat auxiliary in the press will cover for them. And they are right.
Press secretary Grima Wormtongue: Please pick up the black Mordor courtesy phone.
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