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Former Soviet official behind black box "track & tax" of US drivers
The Washington Times Communities ^ | October 30, 2013 | Alan Jones

Posted on 10/30/2013 2:20:08 PM PDT by FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

WASHINGTON, October 30, 2013 — The California bureaucrat behind a big brother plan to track vehicles and “tax by the mile” worked as a government transportation planner in the former USSR.

Hasan Ikhrata, Executive Director of the Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG), who told the Los Angeles Times “This really is a must for our nation. It is not a matter of something we might choose to do,” worked for the Moscow Metro Corporation, according to his official SCAG biography.

SCAG foresees mandatory tracking of all California motorists by 2025. A black box tax-by-the-mile pilot program is underway in Oregon and several other states. Some of the methods Oregon is experimenting with involve using GPS to track miles driven by program participants.

Ikhrata’s former employer Moscow Metro announced plans in July to track the movements of individual passengers on subways by tracking the SIM cards in their mobile phones, even if the phones are powered off, according to RT. Police operations chief of the Moscow metro, Andrey Mokhov argues that the tactic is legal because “By law, we are not allowed to trace a person without appropriate sanctions…but we can keep track of the property of companies, which is exactly what SIM cards are.”

Although Ikhrata no longer spends his days working as a Moscow planner, he appears to have imported into California’s sprawling bureaucracy an instinct which runs unchecked inside the iron machinery of the world’s most authoritarian governments: track, surveil, and ultimately control everything citizens do.

(Excerpt) Read more at communities.washingtontimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: california; nsa; peoplecontrol; policestate; privacy; tax; tyranny; vehicle

1 posted on 10/30/2013 2:20:08 PM PDT by FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Elected officials who support this need to be recalled immediately.


2 posted on 10/30/2013 2:23:31 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

I had some friends in CA who worked for the Russian Mafia.
It was a dangerous place if you crossed the owners or management.

They all left.


3 posted on 10/30/2013 2:23:38 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

So they went right to the source for this “Car Czar” did they? Is Van Jones an advisor?


4 posted on 10/30/2013 2:24:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

So they went right to the source for this “Car Czar” did they? Is Van Jones an advisor?


5 posted on 10/30/2013 2:24:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

We don’t have enough petty bureaucrats of our own, we have to import them?!


6 posted on 10/30/2013 2:24:29 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Yup. Another joy of allowing immigration from countries dominated by totalitarian ideologies: their former citizens just can’t seem to shake the impulse to bring thug government to the Americans.


7 posted on 10/30/2013 2:24:45 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

You just could not make this stuff up.


8 posted on 10/30/2013 2:25:49 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Sound like the perfect guy for California.
Sometimes you wonder how they can find these awesome talents.


9 posted on 10/30/2013 2:25:53 PM PDT by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

The article was likely written with the hopes that we will go negative for Putin...and embrace Obama...who would never think of such a thing /s


10 posted on 10/30/2013 2:28:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

The technology is already there in many states with safety inspection and emissions inspections programs.

Odometer reading is transmitted annually as part of the inspection process.

Not a bad idea, really—why should the electrics and hybrids get a free or reduced price ride?


11 posted on 10/30/2013 2:34:20 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Anyone who would pursue a career as an Urban Planner has lost the handle on his inner-Control Freak.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 2:39:32 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This dude is considered a RIGHT WINGER by the current crop of socialist democrats running city, county and state governments


13 posted on 10/30/2013 2:41:34 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: lightman
Not a bad idea, really—why should the electrics and hybrids get a free or reduced price ride?

I cannot believe that you wrote that here. Did you work for Obama? Or Putin?

Here's a radical idea for you: why not eliminate all of that nonsense altogether?

We have none of it in Florida and everything seems just fine. Imagine that...

14 posted on 10/30/2013 2:46:15 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

In Soviet Russia car taxes you!


15 posted on 10/30/2013 2:47:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: riri

Did you know that Gorbachev has a think tank at the Presidio?


16 posted on 10/30/2013 2:47:45 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Where do these ideologues come from?

And why are they allowed to profit from their pilferage of the granaries of this nation?


17 posted on 10/30/2013 2:58:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree
Straight off of pages 317 to 342 of “Rules For Radicals”.
18 posted on 10/30/2013 2:58:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
In Soviet Russia car taxes you!

(spoken with a Russian accent) "In America you look for party,in Russia,Party looks for you!"

19 posted on 10/30/2013 3:02:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The next step is limiting geographic area cars will run in.

ie 50 mi from home...


20 posted on 10/30/2013 3:04:13 PM PDT by Therapsid (t)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obviously it is an inquisition and an enlistment. LE can now fish and question until we get the wrong answer and we get shot.


21 posted on 10/30/2013 3:05:45 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: bill1952

I’m a constitutionalist who believes in equal protection/equal taxation.

Road users should pay.

I pay through liquid fuels taxes.

How are the electrics paying?


22 posted on 10/30/2013 3:06:32 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

My question is how the frack these losers got US citizenship so quickly and moved up like this. Unbelievable.


23 posted on 10/30/2013 3:07:03 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Regulator

I am a proponent of enlisting in the army if people want to be tracked and leaving the rest alone.

THis is a de facto draft in the government as slaves.

Government should not owned slaves aside from the prisoners it has in custody.

GOvernment should be owned and restrained as any dog would be, not the other way around. We are asking for rape.


24 posted on 10/30/2013 3:11:22 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

~~~worked as a government transportation planner in the former USSR~~~

Now a government transportation planner in Soviet America!

In Soviet America, highway drives YOU!


25 posted on 10/30/2013 3:18:13 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

I like the way they characterize victims as “Program Participants”.


26 posted on 10/30/2013 3:28:55 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Is this them crossing the line that crossed the line on top of the line that went way overboard towards a Fascist State?


27 posted on 10/30/2013 3:36:57 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: F15Eagle

Wifey and in-laws are looking forward to visiting Tainanmen Square late next year about election time, we vote absentee,, and view the surroundings at the end of a asia cruise.. stuff always looks bigger in HD.. hopefully the smog will be at low tide during our stay.. considering we as a nation of peoples have only been around a few hundred years versus a few thousand ,, amazing how they could spread the word of invasions in no time via smoke signals yet one of or modern day media could tell the truth or ask the hard questions.. funny hwo the longer you fight osme opponents , you adapt their tactics.. which they don’t mind.. cuz they got millions to sacrifice.


28 posted on 10/30/2013 3:46:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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none=one


29 posted on 10/30/2013 3:47:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

My updated tagline says it all.


30 posted on 10/30/2013 3:49:01 PM PDT by Perseverando (Obamanation: It's ALL about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: BigEdLB

This is more Agenda 21 BULLSH!T. Controlling everyone’s every move.. Keeping us in line. When this guy says it’s best for “our nation”, he can go F himself. He’s incorporating his FORMER nation’s police state into OUR nation, just like 0bama.


31 posted on 10/30/2013 3:52:34 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree
Remember the meteor skipping across the sky in Russia? And all the great pictures we got of it?

Those pictures weren't from Russian cell phones - they were from government installed cameras in citizen's cars. And the people talking? Same thing. Mics in cars picking up voices.

It's done to curb drinking and driving and God knows what else, but some of the YouTube type videos are a scream... Saw one with a Russian man trying to 'merge' onto a highway - his aid? He had a gun he would wave at the other drivers... they all let him in... funny stuff.

32 posted on 10/30/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by GOPJ ( We've grown to trust MSM hatred. When the MSM hates one of us it's an endorsement.)
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To: GOPJ

The Russian car cameras aren’t government mandated. Citizens install them to protect themselves from shakedown artists who provoke accidents and blame the other driver.


33 posted on 10/30/2013 4:17:35 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
In Russia, you can drive your call all over state.

Is Soviet America, state car drive over you.

34 posted on 10/30/2013 4:24:04 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: GOPJ
FALSE.

The people put them in the car to protect themselves against corrupt police and as evidence in accidents.

Which given the issues Americans have had with police, motorcycle gangs, and feral flash mobs, isn't a bad idea.

35 posted on 10/30/2013 4:26:26 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

Perfect. Welcome to the USSA, comrades!


36 posted on 10/30/2013 6:43:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree
It's amazing how far Russia has come from the Soviet Union, while it seems the USA is trying to implement all the old, failed Soviet programs here. Of course, it's because those old Soviet leaders weren't smart enough to make them work. The leftists here see themselves as so much smarter, and THEY will be the ones to make it all work. Because THEY are the "best and the brightest!"

Mark

37 posted on 10/30/2013 8:19:40 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Procyon

>>The Russian car cameras aren’t government mandated. Citizens install them to protect themselves from shakedown artists who provoke accidents and blame the other driver.<<

Not to mention to protect themselves from the government.


38 posted on 10/30/2013 9:52:17 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree
Some of the methods Oregon is experimenting with involve using GPS to track miles driven by program participants.

GPS to count miles? Huh. You know, we've had these devices in our cars that measure miles for many decades already. They're called "Odometers."

39 posted on 10/30/2013 10:02:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: FreedomOfThePressIsNotFree

gasoline taxes incurred by the gallon already accomplish this... the more traveled, the more paid in taxes... this is just a manner to control where we go.

recall them all.

teeman8r


40 posted on 10/31/2013 6:44:09 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

now we will have to call them obama-ders...

t


41 posted on 10/31/2013 6:59:04 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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