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Vanity: "Why aren't the Republicans at least trying to help fix Obamacare?"

Posted on 11/04/2013 5:38:25 AM PST by Junk Silver

I keep hearing this Democrat talking point being trotted out, accusing the Republicans of harming their constituents by not doing everything in their power to "fix" the Affordable Health Care Act. This one must test well in focus-groups because it keeps getting repeated. I've yet to hear one Republican answer this coherently. Here's my suggestion for a response:

"If I saw a friend's house being looted would I do everything in my power to stop the looting, or would I walk over and try to negotiate with the looters? Would I call the police and try to get some neighbors to help out, or would I see if I could persuade the looters to delay their looting by a few months, and maybe not take all of the good silverware? To anyone who believes in the principals on which this country was founded the Affordable Care Act is nothing less than government-sanctioned looting of our health care system. The Republican party's only goal is to put a stop to it, not to help it proceed more smoothly."


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: obamacare; repeal; replace; romneycare; romneycare4all; romneycare4ever; romneycare4you; talkingponts; troll
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1 posted on 11/04/2013 5:38:25 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Junk Silver

If I saw someone using a ballpean hammer on my neighbor’s porsche,
would I offer him a sledge hammer to do it more efficiently?


2 posted on 11/04/2013 5:40:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Junk Silver

well duh, it is not fixable. once they touch this communist monstrosity, they will get the blame.


3 posted on 11/04/2013 5:40:05 AM PST by dforest
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To: Junk Silver

They offered ideas early on in the process. All of which were REJECTED by Reid and Pelosi.


4 posted on 11/04/2013 5:40:58 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Junk Silver

There is no fixing a steaming turnd, you begin anew by making insurance portable across states without the minutae of state regulations. Unfortunately, our idiot “representatives” will crap a new turd.


5 posted on 11/04/2013 5:41:01 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: dforest

As it is, and this is just something they’re going to have to accept,

the reason it’s going to fail is because the republicans refused to help it work.

They actually should get out in front of this “reasoning” and make a mockery of it before the left tries it.


6 posted on 11/04/2013 5:41:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Darn, In like how you said that. Very clear!


7 posted on 11/04/2013 5:41:22 AM PST by dforest
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To: Junk Silver
Welcome to FR.

/johnny

8 posted on 11/04/2013 5:41:28 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Junk Silver

Excellent vanity post! That is the proper response.


9 posted on 11/04/2013 5:41:35 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Junk Silver

They passed it without Republican input or even a single republican vote; they can fix it without republican help. Call us when you’re ready to sh*tcan the whole thing and replace it with something people want.


10 posted on 11/04/2013 5:42:29 AM PST by skeeter
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To: MrB

Here’s the fix:

1) scrap Obamacare
2) Tort reform
3) Tax free, inheritable HSAs
4) Tax free catastrophic health insurance premiums
5) Interstate insurance competition


11 posted on 11/04/2013 5:42:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Junk Silver

so when the RATS begin sending us to our re-education / extermination camps, and they are not very successful at getting us to go, the Republicans should help them make the process go more smoothly, right?


12 posted on 11/04/2013 5:46:06 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Junk Silver
"Why aren't the Republicans at least trying to help fix Obamacare?"

Simple - Democrats created this mess, they can be the ones to clean it up.

And let's all remember - not a single Republican voted for ObamaDon'tCare - this is 100% a Democratic disaster.


13 posted on 11/04/2013 5:46:24 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: MrB

I heard that one on some site in the comments the other day. Probably an Obama herd poster.

I pointed out the so called healthcare summit at the WH. The meeting where Ryan pointed out that the bill was scored in a false way and would be far more expensive and expansive. The summit was all for show to make it look as though Obama was listening. He never intended to let the Repubs have any say.

Obama picked his nose that day and told old fart McCain that “I won” again. LOL


14 posted on 11/04/2013 5:48:02 AM PST by dforest
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To: Junk Silver

Has the GOP ever fixed anything?

Outside of Cruz and Lee, has the GOP ever explained anything coherently? Ever?

No.

Expecting the GOP to do either of these things is kind of like expecting the sun to rise in the west.

They aren’t on our side.


15 posted on 11/04/2013 5:48:18 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Junk Silver

There is no way to “fix” something you aren’t supposed to be doing in the first place.


16 posted on 11/04/2013 5:48:23 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Junk Silver

The Republicans need to keep their hands off of it. If they go to tinkering around with it, THEY will get the blame when it collapses. It’s the DemocRATS’ mess. Let them own it.


17 posted on 11/04/2013 5:48:33 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (From a Nation of Laws to a Nation of Lies in just one election. Amazing.)
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To: Junk Silver

Here is the snag is your “response”... You were not elected to represent some 650,000 people, you only have to act guided by your conscience, not a 200+ year old document, and your decision/actions only impact you and your neighbor, not 300+ million other people... It is impossible to “help” someone who thinks they have all the answers and refuses that help.


19 posted on 11/04/2013 5:49:13 AM PST by vet7279
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To: MrB

Excellent list. All simple to do.
I saw yesterday the Feds are now going to “allow” us to carry over $500 on our HSAs. They should provide for full carry-forward of any unused amounts. The notion of use-it-or-lose it is just plain stupid.
The state insurance commissions should butt out a lot, too. Their minimum requirements raise everybody’s costs.


20 posted on 11/04/2013 5:49:26 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Dead Corpse

Need that skull graphic for o care right here.


21 posted on 11/04/2013 5:49:30 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Junk Silver

My response would be:

You don’t fix a sewage spill — you clean it up.

The ACA is totally bad policy, substituting government planners, compulsion, and regulation for the plain American virtues of free choice, liberty and sensible law. As such the fix is the repeal that the House has passed a half dozen times already and Democrats refuse to take up in the Senate.


22 posted on 11/04/2013 5:50:40 AM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)
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To: Junk Silver

What parts of Obamacare do you want to see “fixed”?

Which of the 16000 pages of regulations do you want to see improved?

Are you for more regulations to fix the existing ones?

Do you think the government should subsidize you so that you can afford the new rates you will be paying for the crappy insurance that is mandated?

Tell us, how can we improve Obamacare?


23 posted on 11/04/2013 5:52:53 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: A CA Guy
Which one?

This one?

Or this one?


24 posted on 11/04/2013 5:52:59 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Junk Silver

Besides being unconstitutional, Odunga-care is TOXIC.

There is a saying among the denizens of software development.

“You touch it, you own it.”

No sensible person with a view to a future in politics wants to be associated with this unconstitutional bill of enslavement, empoverishment, and destruction of modern medicine as we once knew it.


25 posted on 11/04/2013 5:54:37 AM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: jersey117

They were not allowed in the room either.


26 posted on 11/04/2013 5:54:56 AM PST by bergmeid (Resist we much!)
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To: Junk Silver
Because ObamaCare is not fixable.
The "fix" for healthcare in America is to undo the last 60 years of government tinkering with the free market doctor/patient relationship.
Good luck with that.
Most people are oblivious to the origin of the problems with the economic model of healthcare and how they have manifested over that span.
How did a huge pencil-pushing middleman become established in that economic model, to extract premiums and grudgingly dole out benefits, while also benefiting from the "float" to build skyscapers?
They only serve to increase the cost in a multitude of ways.
Then consider the parasitic nature of malpractice insurance/law-suits and the multitude of ways that government-protected revenue source for trial layers raises healthcare costs.
Und Tort Reform ist verboten.
As always government creates the problems, then rides in with move government solutions that only serve to make the situation even worse.
27 posted on 11/04/2013 5:54:57 AM PST by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Junk Silver

Didn’t some famous RHINO once say “If you break it you own it?”.


28 posted on 11/04/2013 5:55:56 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Junk Silver
Sometimes, the only solution to fix something is to destroy it and start completely over.

For example, when your computer has a nasty virus (i.e. 0bamacare), the only solution is to completely erase your hard drive and start over.

29 posted on 11/04/2013 5:56:57 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Junk Silver

The only way to ‘fix’ Slavery was to repeal it.


30 posted on 11/04/2013 5:58:11 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Junk Silver

Why in the world would anyone support something that is a death wish for hundreds of thousands of Americans. It needs to be killed I say before it kills you and I. Just think of the 70 year old widow who is in the middle of a cancer treatment regime with her personal doctor and goes to her mailbox each day in “deathly” fear that today may be the day she receives her ‘death warrant’ in the mail?


31 posted on 11/04/2013 5:59:06 AM PST by iontheball
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To: Junk Silver
The Democrats do not want the Republicans(or anyone else) to fix Obamacare. Obama was written in secret and passed through a series of dishonest and corrupt deals. The Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker kickback were just a few. Most of the Senators and Representatives who voted for the law never read it. The Obamacare bill was provided to legislators late at night a few hours before the vote with no explanations.

Everyone who understood it said it could not possibly work.

The purpose of Obamacare is to destroy the greatest health care system in the history of the world and replace it with a government controlled single payer system. Obamacare is meant to fail. When speaking to their supporters Democrats describe Obamacare as a first step towards government control of the health care industry.

Democrats and their agents in the MSM dishonestly say they want to “fix” Obamacare. They want Republicans involved so that they can blame them for the failures of Obamacare.

The purpose of Obamacare is for the politicians and Democrat operatives to control all health care funds and all health care decisions and take no responsibility for the failures of the the system.

In short, they take your money then they decide whether or not you or your family are allowed to get treatment.

The Democrats want you to have beg them for access to medical care if you or someone in your family children gets sick.

32 posted on 11/04/2013 5:59:11 AM PST by detective
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To: Junk Silver

because the market will do it if given a chance

“plans” and “programs” are not the answer


33 posted on 11/04/2013 6:01:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Junk Silver

The GOP offered dozens of amendments when this thing was being debated, all were summarily rejected.


34 posted on 11/04/2013 6:02:48 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Junk Silver

A car that’s worth $10,000 gets totaled. It will cost $25,000 to fix it, after which it will be worth $10,000. Shame on those who would argue against spending the $25k.


35 posted on 11/04/2013 6:03:03 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: Junk Silver

I wouldn’t help this U.S. hating president fix a flat tire.

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36 posted on 11/04/2013 6:04:33 AM PST by Mears (Liberalism is the art of being easily offended.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Skull is the one. Perfect for the effect of Obamacare on us all, especially with the death panels.
37 posted on 11/04/2013 6:04:38 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: detective
Indeed, that is it goal - to deny medical care to those who oppose or have opposed them.

From Atlas Shrugged:

"Nobody can divide a factory’s income among thousands of people, without some sort of a gauge to measure people’s value. Her gauge was bootlicking. Selfless? In her father’s time, all of his money wouldn’t have given him a chance to speak to his lousiest wiper and get away with it, as she spoke to our best skilled workers and their wives. She had pale eyes that looked fishy, cold and dead. And if you ever want to see pure evil, you should have seen the way her eyes glinted when she watched some man who’d talked back to her once and who’d just heard his name on the list of those getting nothing above basic pittance. And when you saw it, you saw the real motive of any person who’s ever preached the slogan: ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.’"

38 posted on 11/04/2013 6:04:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Junk Silver
If you could only understand that Obamascare is all about wealth confiscation, then you would understand there is nothing to fix.
39 posted on 11/04/2013 6:05:22 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Junk Silver

The way to fix it is to get the government out of the healthcare/insurance business. Don’t turn health insurance into a welfare program either


40 posted on 11/04/2013 6:05:32 AM PST by GeronL
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To: MrB
They actually should get out in front of this “reasoning” and make a mockery of it before the left tries it.

Get that Pelosi "Big Gavel" picture with all the RAT leaders and put Republican faces on the bodies. Title "It's the Republicans' fault".


41 posted on 11/04/2013 6:07:46 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Junk Silver

Why polish a turd? Your answer is that WE want to REPEAL it not “fix” socialism (which can’t be fixed)!


42 posted on 11/04/2013 6:08:45 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Junk Silver
I think it was Thomas Sowell who might've wrote recently, and I'm paraphrasing, "one does not replace a 'fire' with something..."

We need to put this fire out, and reassess where the country stands with healthcare. There is an opportunity here, for Republicans, if they're only smart enough to take advantage of it.

43 posted on 11/04/2013 6:11:14 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Mike Darancette

Nancy should have been making a phone call to her physician after that walk...

“yes... I’d like a referral to a proctologist... yes... foreign object... uh huh... yeah, large would be a good description...”


44 posted on 11/04/2013 6:12:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Junk Silver

Coz ya can’t fix stupid.


45 posted on 11/04/2013 6:13:56 AM PST by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: Junk Silver

This law was deemed passed in the house by the Botox demon from Kalifornika. If they can to buy insurance, what is next? An electric car? Requiring you live less that five miles from work and ride a bike every day? That is the way the dims think. Force people to do things against their will.


46 posted on 11/04/2013 6:16:49 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Junk Silver

You can’t polish a turd.


47 posted on 11/04/2013 6:17:30 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Junk Silver

I know this is an over the top analogy, but my answer to the headline is in another question: Why didn’t the jews in Nazi Germany try to fix Nazism?

It’s because it was rotten to the core. Some things don’t get fixed. They get replaced - and sometimes with nothing. What did most people replace their electric can opener with? A manual one. It works better and is cheaper.


48 posted on 11/04/2013 6:19:40 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Junk Silver

Man breaks into your house. Tries to shoot you but his gun jams. Do you help him clear the jam so he can proceed to shoot you or do you take the jammed gun and stick it up his a$$? I know what I would do.


49 posted on 11/04/2013 6:23:08 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: cuban leaf

cuban leaf you are way smarter than average


50 posted on 11/04/2013 6:26:36 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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