Posted on 11/23/2013 3:19:50 AM PST by defeat_the_dem_igods
As an example of a historical document from 40 years ago, perhaps. I might also find the actions and ideas of leftists from the 1970s kind of contemptible, disgusting, and worthy of criticism. I never have had much time for people who support tyrants, or the likes of Pol Pot.
However I don't waste my time reading the complete works of the John Birch Society or similar groups, something you seem to do.
The logic expressed in your previous messages suggests that you are not happy with the criteria used by the FBI or other security entities. Consequently, there is no reason to accept your claims that I am writing “fiction” about your beliefs or values.
If your concern is “leftists” in government or in our society, then just say so.
What a silly reply. The Biographical Dictionary published by the JBS was not about foreign tyrants. It was devoted to demonizing and de-leigitimizing anybody whose viewpoints were left-of-center or perceived by the JBS as not being pro-American.
In case you have not noticed, the subject of this thread is the John Birch Society. So if you have no interest in the JBS, then why are you contributing messages to this thread about a subject you acknowledge that you know nothing about?
Your fevered imagination needs a rest. Come back when you have factual knowledge about the history of the Birch Society — i.e. its actual beliefs -— not the sanitized version which they currently present to the public.
I have forgotten more about the John Birch Society than you know.
You are so far to the left you like Buchanan.
Stay in California. The rest of America hates you.
With respect to this comment by you:
“I believe that educating the public about freedom and free markets and the ideas of the founders of our nation, and the cultivation of worthy candidates will lead to a rejection of the bad ideas espoused by the left, and the defeat of “leftists in politics” at the ballot box. That’s what I try to do.”
The “founders” of our nation subscribed to many ideas which contemporary Americans are entirely justified in totally rejecting.
For example: the majority of adults in our nation from 1776 into the 1800’s were not eligible to vote.
In addition, our founders had no problem whatsoever with accepting/defending slavery as a legal and moral institution.
One could even make a plausible argument that during our entire history as an independent nation, it has often been “leftists” who first proposed the reforms which we now take for granted as being essential to a free society.
America needs the contributions of all its sons and daughters to assure the survival and well being of our people. No single ideological perspective (right or left) has a monopoly on truth or decency.
Personally, I reject the notion that “leftists” or “rightists” should be the focus of our concern. Historically, Americans are pragmatists. We are more concerned about what works and what produces the greatest good for the greatest number of our people rather than focusing upon the pedigree of the ideas or policy proposals we adopt.
Well, I do not hate anybody. I leave that to haters like yourself. Since I voted twice for Reagan as Governor of California and twice for him as President, one wonders what criteria you use to determine who belongs on the “left” side of our political spectrum?
That is very unlikely. I have studied the JBS for more than 40 years. Furthermore, unlike yourself, I have acquired a very substantial amount of primary source evidence re: the JBS which I am certain you have never seen. For example, I have acquired thousands of pages of the personal papers of JBS National Council members which are archived at various universities and other institutions.
In addition, I have a considerable amount of private correspondence between Robert Welch and many individuals.
I also have a copy of the unpublished 1950’s “private letter” manuscript by Welch (The Politician) which is NOT available in any American library.
Beyond that, I have debated or exchanged letters and emails with hundreds of JBS members — and I have obtained dozens of master’s theses, doctoral dissertations, and academic conference papers which very few individuals have.
Lastly, I am the first and only person in our country who obtained the entire FBI HQ main file on the JBS (12,000 pages) along with most of the FBI field office files. I also have the FBI sub-files on the JBS which contain thousands of newspaper and magazine articles along with JBS press releases, transcripts of interviews of JBS officials.
I have donated a major amount of material in my collection to various colleges and universities (such as Marquette University, University of Mississippi, Kansas University and University of California-Berkeley) and I have arranged to post online (on Internet Archive) many of the FBI files which I have obtained during my 33 years of FOIA research into political extremist individuals and organizations (right and left). See, for example: https://archive.org/details/lazarfoia
So, if YOU have anything comparable to report about your research — I would be happy to learn about it.
When you have a few moments, check out my Documentary History of the JBS webpages and let me know how many of these documents you have seen or even know about?
https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241/
Only then will anybody be able to make an informed judgment regarding what you “know” about the JBS.
These leftists are all mentally ill
You hate everybody and it shows. You desperately need a nap.
>> “Your fevered imagination...” <<
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Give it a break Obamanoob!
We get you JBS attackers here all the time, and all of them are just as wacked out as you, so you’re nothing!
>> “These leftists are all mentally ill” <<
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Mental illness is Spiritual illness.
There a lot of socialist true believers commenting at that site
Please be SPECIFIC. Whom do I “hate”?
Instead of relying upon ad hominem attacks why don’t you present whatever verifiable factual evidence you have to make your best case against whatever you think I am mistaken about?
In my experience, people who resort to personal attacks do so because they are either intellectual cowards OR they cannot refute the evidence presented by their critics so, instead, they make personal attacks. I am totally aware that I am a fallible person and I am more than willing to correct anything mistaken which I write — but if you refuse to present EVIDENCE (not personal opinions) then we must conclude that you do not have any serious knowledge about the the JBS to share.
If you think you can, have at it.
1. What “site” are you referring to which has “socialist true believers”?
2. Just because somebody is a socialist does not mean they are always mistaken anymore than just because somebody is a JBS member or JBS sympathizer means that they are always mistaken.
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