Skip to comments.Illegal Guns Down Under, a Chilling Lesson for the U.S.A.
Posted on 11/29/2013 7:38:09 PM PST by marktwain
Until 1996, the federal government had little role in firearms law. Following the Port Arthur massacre, the Howard Government (19962007), with strong media and public support, introduced uniform gun laws with the cooperation of all the states, brought about through threats to Commonwealth funding arrangements (bold added). The then Prime Minister John Howard frequently referred to the USA to explain his opposition to civilian firearms ownership and use in Australia, stating that he did not want Australia to go "down the American path". In one interview on Sydney radio station 2GB he said, "We will find any means we can to further restrict them because I hate guns... ordinary citizens should not have weapons. We do not want the American disease imported into Australia."It is notable that the Federal Government used financial extortion to obtain the cooperation of the states. It is remarkably similar to what we have seen in the United States. Australia should serve as an object lesson to Americans. Their media and government so despised guns in private hands that they were quite willing to use "all means" to bring about the nationalization of the gun laws Australia now suffers under. The vast majority of Australians live in coastal cities and know only what they are told by the media about guns.
Some of those are nice pieces. One looks like a Model 1887 lever action shotgun!
Now you know how to tell when it’s time to bring a baseball bat to the Senate.
I’m amazed at how quickly Australia slipped down in national image, from this sudden anti-gun switch they did in the 1990s or whenever.
Australia went from wild, sexy and cool, to a shell of it’s old image, in no time.
Now they seem beaten and pathetic, tamed.
When your rights are not written down - anyone can take them away.
When your rights are written down, at least it gives you the authority to fight back when they try to take your rights.
The momentum and votes swung just at the right time to disenfranchise rural Australia. Fortunately, for now, the US is not quite so easily dismembered.
We are not far from it, though.
We must be ever vigilant and vocal.
Oh nose! Some ranchers in the outback have some Fudd guns. Why don’t they just leave these fellas alone?
While there is some variation state to state, gun laws generally in Australia would make an American cringe.
-One must apply for a license to be a shooter and gun owner.
-One must submit an application (PTA) to the state police each and every time they wish to purchase a firearm, new or used, retail or private sale.
-One must demonstrate the ability to safely store a firearm and that must be signed off by the state police.
-One’s firearm storage is subject to random inspection by the state police who will visit your home and inspect your storage set-up.
-One is subject to the licensing and classification system the various Australian states have devised.
-One may only legally possess a single-shot, bolt-action or single/double barreled shotgun under the basic license (Cat A/B.) General hunting, target shooting, etc.
-One may only legally possess a semi-auto rimfire or pump action shotgun under a Cat C License. Need here is vague to me.
-One may only legally possess a semi-auto centerfire or shotgun under a Cat D License. Cat D licensees must be dealers, collectors, farmers/ranchers, or, professional hunters who can demonstrate that they receive a certain percentage of their yearly income from contract hunting to the Aussie government.
-One may only legally possess a Cat H handgun license if they belong to a handgun shooting club/range and also participate in a minimum number of competition shoots per year (one per quarter I believe.)
So, if you want to own a firearm in Oz the government will want to know what it is, the serial, how it’s being stored and where, what you’re using it for and when, and, who’s using it at any given time. If you can’t provide that info then you are highly likely to lose your license, have any firearms you own seized with no compensation, and, will have to wait many years before you can reapply for a license or permit to purchase again.
Nice little police state they have there.
Oh nose! Some ranchers in the outback have some Fudd guns. Why dont they just leave these fellas alone?
Answer: because they are from the government, and can do whatever the heck they want to...........
Look at the 2nd pic posted; those are the interesting firearms:
Interesting for gun-controlled Australia, but I have more interesting truck guns than those.
Anyhow, aside from violating Australian gun ownership laws, did the police have any evidence that the guns were used in the commission of a crime or that any guns were sold to criminals? If not, the raid was just a demonstration of official power, nothing more.
In the “scary” second picture of “semi autos” one sees.......two tacti-cooled bolt action rifles and a pump action Remington 7615. I can’t make out the other two.
” Anyhow, aside from violating Australian gun ownership laws, did the police have any evidence that the guns were used in the commission of a crime or that any guns were sold to criminals? If not, the raid was just a demonstration of official power, nothing more.”
The simple act of possessing them without registration is major violation of state law. Used in crime? Hell, simply having them is equitable to multiple felonies here.
soon to come to this land—if Obama and the Democrats have their way.
soon to come to this landif Obama and the Democrats have their way.
If the gubermint agents come for our guns against the second amendment we can detain them as eneimies of the state, right?
Why do Aussies oil their lawns? So the guns won’t rust.
Meh, I don’t care what the law is one way or the other.
Like you said. In this case, just having them is a crime. Purty durn sad.
Careful sunshine appearances can be deceiving LOL!
There has been no news of how the cops found out about these guys but I suspect as so many of their weapons were unregistered and Queensland is currently cracking down on bikie crime that they may have been selling guns and ammo to what amounts to our organised crime syndicates here in Aus. If that is the case I have no sympathy for them. It really is not that hard to register and possess a weapon - only legal ones though - otherwise ya better hide ‘em good!
Somebody has put them to the Police I would imagine in exchange for leniency on a larger crime!
“Somebody has put them to the Police I would imagine in exchange for leniency on a larger crime!”
If they were storing guns for neighbors, then it is likely that quite a few knew that they had unregistered guns. The more people that know, the more likely that someone is to talk.
“The more people that know, the more likely that someone is to talk.”
That’s why in today’s era of un-American lunacy I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell anyone what kinds of guns we have, this includes relatives, neighbors and friends. Keep a couple out in plain view for hunting or self defense, hide the rest. A common storage point such as a gun safe makes it easier to find all in one cache.
I am I paranoid? Yes.
Registration is about shifting burden of proof, just as any admition to authority ends up being used against the admiter. Before they had to prove you had guns in order to ask you anything. It is why NSA type spying is also illegal. Because it shifts the burden of proving good motive.
Liberals play that game by saying guns are evil.
Oh. And let us not forget that before government can confiscate those guns, most might end up being sold to criminals on the black market and reported stolen.
I am sorry, but between surrendering guns to a criminal inquisitive government shifting burden of job proof on the citizen and selling them to criminals, most people cannot be blamed for selling them thus.
This is why gun control backfires.
From the article, it sounds like someone ratted them out that the guns were being “modified” against the laws, and that all would be checked against crimes in a database somehow. $5 says they’ll try to pin some crime(s) on those 3 guys, for either having modified weapons, or some other crimes. You can bet that they’ll be made an example of, for public consumption.
BATF getting wood looking at the size of the Aussies Table.
I have a gun safe, but only a fraction of my guns are stored within it for that very reason.
Well, I understand Australian gun laws. I just disagree with them. Since I don’t have to live there and conform to their laws, I can label those laws for what they are: oppressive.
Anyhow, if these Australian citizens break their country’s laws, they will have to pay the price when caught. I know gun-grabbers are doing everything they can to bring these type of gun-control laws here, but I am thankful that they have largely failed in their attempts to do so.
A likely story I would say but yes the more people know the less likely anything can be kept a secret.
There is no guarantee of the right to hold weapons in our constitution as there is in yours. So if “The People” i.e. the voting joe schmoe thinks it is reasonable and they are happy that each gun held should be registered then I see that as the height of Democracy - I know plenty of gun owners and they do not find it burdensome.
The only part of the Law I find draconian is the right of the Police to come and see how your guns are stored without warrant - I don’t think owning a weapon should give them that right - I have a knife block that I store my kitchen knives in and they can’t come in and check that - I think that part of the law should be challenged.
It is not so hard to sell a gun off either - a form and some ID to show how and to whom it was disposed - I have to do the same when I sell my car.
Alright I oversimplified it takes 28 days to transfer one as a check of license is needed.
The rule of thumb is that a K9 unit coming to sniff around have their dogs muzzled while the owner’s dogs can freely eat their food. Thus this places a controled jurisdiction of the police and the owner has his rights and properties respected.
Sadly nowadays they have the guns and we have to make precautions or have no gun when they come knocking. Under the Queen’s colony the enlisted like life given her protecting the business is understandable. Such quartering would be acceptable. However if independent or settling independently, new jurisdictions should be respected. This was not applied in places like Rhodesia and the rule on the British was delegated to alienating powers that turned it into Zimbabwe. The guard was changed.
Places like Australia need not go from one master under the Queen to another under the guise of strange legislations denying the right of self settlement or divorce from said links and services to said powers. When England surrendered Honk Kong to mainland China, a sort of domino precedent effect was established. How can there be free trade without recognition of sovereignty? The isolationists are those importing isolationists, not those protecting themselves from outfits like Islam or the communists who refuse to reciprocate the right and recognition to unique sovereignty.
You are correct - our personal property rights have definatley been impinged upon under this law. The every man’s castle concept (i.e. the right to defend oneself and property) which has seemed to make a comeback here over the last decade or so has not been taken into account under this law. It needs to be challenged but doing so through the High Court is a long and expensive exercise. While the gun lobby sought to have all of the legislation thrown out they should have concentrated on the parts that were unconstitutional.