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To: NKP_Vet

A question for people reading this post. Do you consider The Battle of the Bulge as an American “victory”? I do. I once got in an argument with a British leftist who said it was a huge defeat for the Americans. My point was that the German offensive failed to achieve its objectives and the Germans could not hold their gains - hence they lost this battle. Comments?


3 posted on 12/22/2013 9:08:29 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio

This british peter-puffer you speak of represents the first time ever that I’ve heard anybody describe the Bulge as anything other than a HUGE, MASSIVE, TOTAL American victory. The Nazis were CRUSHED in the West, and NEVER AGAIN mounted a major offensive (there was a minor one, NORTHWIND, I believe. It too, failed.)


5 posted on 12/22/2013 9:15:22 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Parmenio
Cost a lot of lives but the counterattack to push the Germans back was a victory.

They used up the panzer and many troops making that attack, that could have been used defending the Rhine, et al

6 posted on 12/22/2013 9:16:23 AM PST by mware
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To: Parmenio

I would say victory. The Germans could not push them out, and take the town. They also couldn’t get the 101st to surrender. Thank God for brave men out there. Patton was a great general. I’m no Ike fan. I believe Ike had something to do with Patton going away.

I also wouldn’t bother arguing with British leftists, they are like most leftists, they don’t hear facts or reason.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 9:20:11 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Parmenio

The Germans after the battle were done. 100,000 Germans were killed and their warmaking capacity severely hampered. Yes it was an American victory and anyone that says otherwise is ignorant of military history.


9 posted on 12/22/2013 9:28:08 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: Parmenio

With the casualties we suffered it was a bitter sweet victory. But I do think it was a minor victory for Hitler because he slowed down our progress but he just delayed the inevitable.


12 posted on 12/22/2013 9:33:10 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: Parmenio

The Bulge was a huge defeat, especially compared to that masterful triumph of Monty’s, Market Garden.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 9:34:49 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Parmenio

That brit leftist is an idiot. .thinking the Germans won the battle because they gained major ground at the start of the battle is like saying the German won the war because they gained major ground at the start of the war....

the winner is determine at the end of a battle and the end of a war..and in neither the Germans obtain there objective...


34 posted on 12/22/2013 10:30:30 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Parmenio

The Battle of the Bulge was the largest,, longest and costliest SINGLE battle the US Army ever fought. From the time the attack began on Dec. 16,1944 until it was declared ‘’contained’’ on Jan.27th.,1945 there was never a day, an hour or a single minute in which some American unit was not in contact with the enemy. This was the mother of all bar room brawls. It started in the bar, went to the floor, out the door, rolled down the block and around the corner. It didn’t stop until the Germans were out of fuel, exhausted and spent. Plus the weather finally cleared and the P-38’s and P-47’s had a field day with German armored columns stranded on the roads. American resistance was more then the Germans were expecting. Ironically though because Eisenhower chose to just roll back the German penetration in a frontal assault rather than attacking the flanks there were more American casualties in the American counter-attack then in the initial German attack. Among them was my late Uncle Fred(84th. Inf. Div.) who took shrapnel in the face attacking the village of Soy Belgium. This might be be what that Brit girly man was thinking of. The Bugle was a clear cut American victory.


42 posted on 12/22/2013 4:07:11 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: Parmenio
"I once got in an argument with a British leftist who said it was a huge defeat for the Americans."

Remind your limp-wristed British friend that Montgomery didn't win ANY battles of significance, and ask him to prove you otherwise.

46 posted on 12/23/2013 12:00:09 AM PST by tom h
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