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Millenial's Music Taste (vanity). Whats wrong with your generation?

Posted on 01/01/2014 7:18:16 PM PST by hecht

Last night we watched ABC's Dick Clarks New Years Eve Show. When they began to show music performers, the first I saw was Billy Joel. You could tell that it was one of his bona fide live performance as he sounded different from the studio versions, some minor errors etc. In my genervation ( I'm in my 50s) the best albums were often live , where the performers would jam, experiment and ad lib. The Allmans Live at Fillmore East is an example , or the Live version of Led Zepellin's "Dazed and Confused" -filmed in San Francisco - where Robert Plant ad libbed" going to San Francisco" in the middle of the song. After Joel the show went to a series of Millenial performers who all had auto-tuned lip synched performances, where they basically just aerobic danced to songs written by someone else, don't play instruments and have a few clones dancing in synch behind them. I joked to my guests" imagine if the Beatles were part of the Millenial generation. John Lennon would be lip synching an aerobic dance with George , Ringo and Paul would dance in unison behind him. What gives Millenials? have you no sense ? don't you realize that these "performers" are manufactured pretty boys/girls ? they are live action "Archies" If your taste in music is so vacuous , is there any hope for them? Is there any hope to wan them from Obama?

Even the non song writing performers of our generation i.e..e Elvis could at least perform.


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1 posted on 01/01/2014 7:18:16 PM PST by hecht
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To: hecht
They elected Obunghole. That says it all.

The "millenials" make the old (mpw) Gen-X "slackers" look like workaholics in comparison.

2 posted on 01/01/2014 7:22:26 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: hecht

Most music these days is absolute trash, unfortunately.


3 posted on 01/01/2014 7:22:53 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: hecht

The old acts you mentioned were never on a network New Years Eve tv show.

Good music today wouldn’t be on these current shows either.


4 posted on 01/01/2014 7:23:56 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: hecht

Generational tastes and snobbery. It’s always been better “before”.


5 posted on 01/01/2014 7:24:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: doorgunner69

Yes sir, you summed it up in the first sentence. They have NO clue.


6 posted on 01/01/2014 7:25:57 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: hecht
Yo, millenial here.

The most "modern" music I listen to is Metallica, AC/DC, The Blues Brothers, Booker T and the MGs, Def Leppard, Led Zeppelin, anything by Elvis, etc etc.

We don't ALL suck. Just saying.

7 posted on 01/01/2014 7:26:21 PM PST by Mr. Impatient (I have no mop and I must clean.)
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To: hecht
My feelings are the same -- I feel old when I say it, but: "kids today listen to crappy music".

I don't consider it "listening" music -- Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, etc -- we used to just sit and listen. You'd follow the lead guitar, or you'd focus on the bass. Or you'd be a groupie for drummers. The music mattered.

I don't consider today's music to really be dance music. I remember when "Disco sucks" was a common expression. But much of that was intricate, clever, and was performed well. If you wanted to dance, it was good stuff.

Today? There is no musicianship. No point in really listening. They autotune everything. It's all over-produced. A big voice and a mindless beat (Adele, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Pink, Beyonce -- I can barely tell the difference).

It's sad. The Rolling Stones (and I am not really a big fan of theirs) have lasted 50 years because they really put out a worthwhile product. Does anyone think Maroon 5 is going to last 50 years?

8 posted on 01/01/2014 7:26:49 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: hecht

Don’t forget Live at Leeds by the Who and Full House by J. Geils the two best live albums ever.

Better than all the crap from the last two decades.


9 posted on 01/01/2014 7:27:00 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: hecht

It sounds like the work of L. T. Smash.


10 posted on 01/01/2014 7:27:37 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Revolting cat!

before, the performers wrote sang live and played their instruments. not just better before


11 posted on 01/01/2014 7:27:42 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: hecht

Not on Dick Clark’s daily show. Not on most TV shows!


12 posted on 01/01/2014 7:29:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Mr. Impatient

Thing is, sucking is in the ear of the listener.

Some of the BAnds you mention suck just as much as plenty of stuff today.

Led Zep, for example, a band that owned my high school, pretty much suck. They even had a song where Robby Plant sang suck it suck it suck it over and over in his high pitched woman voice.


13 posted on 01/01/2014 7:29:40 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

100% agree. I leave a radio on the more or less oldies station. When there were a few attempts at a country gold station here, I would generally leave the dial alone.

I use I-Heart radio some and there is the CD collection of mostly soundtracks of older movies and TV shows mostly.


14 posted on 01/01/2014 7:29:51 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: hecht; Salamander

Ping to Salamander...

They simply know nothing else. I’m Gen-Ex. We had MTV when they had music. We had The Zep/Aerosmith Rock on one end and the Synth pop on the other. They were mostly actual bands and cheeze video aside, they performed...and we were USED to seeing it/expected it. Not always but at regular intervals.

Millenials have zero exposure to that outside the Warped/Ozzfest type tours. And those are far from broad spectrum venues. Most millenials only know Nikki Minage/GaGa type theatrics since thats all they ever had. Their music is pure studio creation ( I do electronic music as a hobby so I know how it’s done) and it requires only ‘some’ musical ability and many programs. You just need to know the programs. THAT is why it’s bland. Anyone can make today’s ‘music’ and everyone does...or tries to.

Thus Millenials are glutted with mediocrity at best and it’s all they know.

My daughter is 24 and a diehard 80s fan/metalhead. She has seen Brittney Spears and Iron Maiden live. Not hard to guess which was actually ‘live’ nor which she liked better.

“Whats the matter with these kids today” musically, is they need exposure to better than they have. And they lack the desire to look backwards to find it. Only forward into a devolving genetic clone of what they have now


15 posted on 01/01/2014 7:31:51 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ifinnegan

but those bands wrote their songs, played their own instruments and performed live.


16 posted on 01/01/2014 7:32:18 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: ifinnegan

but those bands wrote their songs, played their own instruments and performed live.


17 posted on 01/01/2014 7:32:19 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: hecht

I’m in my 30s. I love the Live Dead shows from Fillmore East in 1970.


18 posted on 01/01/2014 7:33:33 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Revolting cat!
Generational tastes and snobbery. It’s always been better “before”.

Maybe it was.

Auld Lang Syne--Guy Lombardo & His Orchestra, New Years Day, 1946

19 posted on 01/01/2014 7:34:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: hecht

Aw,come on.

Each generation thinks it’s music is the best.

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20 posted on 01/01/2014 7:35:17 PM PST by Mears
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To: ToastedHead

they were good.

now imagine Jerry G
aerobic dancing to a lip synched recorded Ripple with Phil Lesh et al dancing in unison behind him


21 posted on 01/01/2014 7:35:21 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: Fiji Hill

they performed live


22 posted on 01/01/2014 7:35:56 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: hecht

Last summer some high school kids behind my home threw a party just like American high schoolers have been doing for decades.

The Funny thing was, they were blaring Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath all night. If you didn’t know, you would have thought it was the 70’s or 80’s

Somehow 20 years from now, I highly doubt anybody is going to be blaring Beyonce, Lady Ga-Ga, Kayne, etc

Music today IS crap.

The 1970s - An incredible amount of Great & Memorable stuff, the 1980’s a lot Great & Memorable stuff, the 1990’s some great & Memorable stuff (Mostly early in the decade), the 00’s - very little Great & Memorable stuff, 10’s - Nothing.


23 posted on 01/01/2014 7:36:15 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Mears

maybe, but prior generations sang and performed their music not lip synched and worked their way up- not manufactured stars


24 posted on 01/01/2014 7:37:15 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: hecht

Music started dying in the 80’s then rap came along and buried it.


25 posted on 01/01/2014 7:37:48 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: qam1

agree


26 posted on 01/01/2014 7:37:51 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Old people kvetching about tastes of today's yoots PING! PING to the fans of Fabian Forte & Joanie Sommers. Those were the days!


27 posted on 01/01/2014 7:38:06 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: hecht

I agree with that fully ( or, well, Led Zep ripped off Robert Johnson, Richie Valens, but I agree on the point being made).

I actually had this same conversation last night about the song Paper Planes by MIA. I was talking about how the Clash actually wrote the song, played the instruments and recorded the music as compared to today how these no talent model/dancers with producers who just take a bit of an actual song, Like Straight to Hell, and read their chanty rhymes over it.


28 posted on 01/01/2014 7:38:26 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Revolting cat!

Wanna bet Us 80s metalheads would turn up their noses at 40/50 tunes? you’d lose that bet. If it sounds good, it is good. Current crap is just that. No talent studio/corporate assembly line crap.


29 posted on 01/01/2014 7:40:15 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Fiji Hill

Little Peggy March: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-6o_ultLg


30 posted on 01/01/2014 7:40:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: minnesota_bound

Homer: I was in a record store, and they were playing all these bands I’d never heard of. It was like the store had gone crazy.

Marge: Record stores have always seemed crazy to me. Music is none of my business.

Homer: That’s all well and good for you, but I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day... now I’m lucky to find half an hour a week in which to get funky. I’ve got to get out of this rut and back into the groove.


[the teenagers Homer and Barney are doing an acapella version of “You Make Me Feel Like Dancing” in front of a mirror]

Middle-aged Grampa: What the Hell are you two doin’?

Young Barney: It’s called rockin’ out!

Young Homer: You wouldn’t understan’, dad. You’re not *with it*.

Middle-aged Grampa: I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I’m with isn’t *it*, and what’s *it* seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you...


31 posted on 01/01/2014 7:41:02 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: hecht

Talkin’ ‘bout my gggggggeneration.


32 posted on 01/01/2014 7:42:06 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: hecht

I want to know if Old Miley can twerk her way from one song into another.


33 posted on 01/01/2014 7:42:28 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Revolting cat!
Generational tastes and snobbery. It’s always been better “before”.

But this time, we're right.....Even my kids admit it.

34 posted on 01/01/2014 7:42:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: hecht
I'm of the earliest Gen-Xers or the very last of the Boomers depending upon who's doing the categorizing, and I can say that folks older than me don't seem to realize music exists outside mainstream radio and television, they're still stuck in the major record label and Top 40 mentality. That music today generally does suck, but it's lowest common denominator background noise/entertainment. There is excellent music being created, recorded and distributed, however you've got to understand your own tastes and go find it, we're in a golden age of music, every kind. You just won't hear it at the same old same old that you've been listening to since the fifties or sixties, that's dying. It's like limiting yourself to CNN for news and believing that's how the world really is.
35 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:03 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ClearCase_guy
Today? There is no musicianship. No point in really listening. They autotune everything. It's all over-produced. A big voice and a mindless beat (Adele, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Pink, Beyonce -- I can barely tell the difference).

I don't listen to a lot of ontemporary popular tunes, but when I do, they always seems to be written in a major key and are lacking in the use of dynamics, key changes, changes in tempo such as rallantandos, fermatas cesuras ("railroad tracks"), etc.

It seems the best music being produced today is movie music.

36 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:05 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: dfwgator

Same here.


37 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:07 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ToastedHead

doubtful


38 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:18 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: dfwgator

mine also


39 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:46 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Know where to look. Looking at the mainstream radio and TV, you get the same crap qualitywise as when you look at MSM for news and commentary. It’s always been this way. What was the Sturgeon’s Law again? Metalheads digging Perry Como? Don’t make me laugh!


40 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Eh, music went downhill when the record companies switched from acoustic recordings to electric recordings in the mid-1920s.

Give me Isham Jones and Abe Lyman!


41 posted on 01/01/2014 7:43:56 PM PST by greene66
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To: hecht

An analysis published in Scientific Reports by Joan Serrà of the Artificial Intelligence Research Institute in Barcelona and his colleagues has found that music has indeed become both more homogeneous and louder over the decades.

Dr Serrà began with the basic premise that music, like language, can evolve over time, often pulled in different directions by opposing forces. Popular music especially has always prized a degree of conformity—witness the enduring popularity of cover songs and remixes—while at the same time being obsessed with the new. To untangle these factors, Dr Serrà’s team sifted through the Million Song Dataset, run jointly by Columbia University, in New York, and the Echo Nest, an American company, which contains beat-by-beat data on a million Western songs from a variety of popular genres. The researchers focussed on the primary musical qualities of pitch, timbre and loudness, which were available for nearly 0.5m songs released from 1955 to 2010.

They found that music today relies on the same chords as music from the 1950s. Nearly all melodies are composed of ten most popular chords. They follow a similar pattern to written texts, where the most common word occurs roughly twice as often as the second most common, three times as often as the third most common, and so on, a linguistic regularity known as Zipf’s law. What has changed is how the chords are spliced into melodies. In the 1950s many of the less common chords would chime close to one another in the melodic progression. More recently, they have tended to be separated by the more pedestrian chords, leading to a loss of some of the more unusual transitions. Timbre, lent by instrument types and recording techniques, similarly shows signs of narrowing, after peaking in the mid-60s, a phenomenon Dr Serrà attributes to experimentation with electric-guitar sounds by Jimi Hendrix and the like.

What music lost in variety, it has gained in volume. Songs today are on average 9 decibels louder than half a century ago, confirming what industry types have long suspected: that record labels engage in a “loudness race” in order to catch radio listeners’ attention. Since digital audio formats max out at a certain decibel level, as the average loudness inches towards that ceiling, songs will lose dynamic range, becoming ever more uniform.

This homogeneity is not just jarring to melomaniacs. It might confuse the popular algorithms for identifying and recommending tracks, like those used by Spotify and other music services. Many of these rely on timbre measurements to sort songs into genres, for instance. Some musicians are bound to respond by confounding expectations with new sounds. Whether audiences wish to be confounded remains moot.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/science-music

that and it’s mostly all being produced by the same few people/studios...


42 posted on 01/01/2014 7:44:56 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: hecht


43 posted on 01/01/2014 7:45:04 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: logitech

My mom worked for Logitech on Long Island. I always think of her when I see your name:)


44 posted on 01/01/2014 7:45:53 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Fiji Hill

The lack of dynamics is the result of the loudness war. The theory is louder is percieved as better so Compressors squash everything for max loudness. It’s mixed mastered and recompressed for radio.


45 posted on 01/01/2014 7:46:15 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ToastedHead

Had free mouses and keyboards? Wow!


46 posted on 01/01/2014 7:46:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: JoeProBono

Steeeerrrike!


47 posted on 01/01/2014 7:47:44 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I like Perry Como and Merle Haggard. I also like Disturbed, Love Maiden and much harder stuff.

Get to chucklin’ ;)

PS, I’m a huge fan of Astaire and Hayworth as well.


48 posted on 01/01/2014 7:48:15 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: greene66

A pal of mine, currently a mandolin player, but in the 70s a drummer for a proto-punk band, only listens to recordings from the 1920s no later.


49 posted on 01/01/2014 7:48:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Tiger--Fabian (Forte), 1959

And the answer:

Teach Me, Tiger--April Stevens, 1959

50 posted on 01/01/2014 7:49:08 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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