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New York Times calls for Snowden clemency
The Hill ^ | January 2, 2014 | Rebecca Shabad

Posted on 01/02/2014 4:45:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The editorial board of The New York Times is urging the Obama administration to grant Edward Snowden clemency.

“It is time for the United States to offer Mr. Snowden a plea bargain or some form of clemency that would allow him to return home, face at least substantially reduced punishment in light of his role as a whistle-blower, and have the hope of a life advocating for greater privacy and far stronger oversight of the runaway intelligence community,” an editorial published Wednesday said.

The paper argues Snowden blew the whistle on National Security Agency activities that have “exceeded its mandate and abused its authority.

A few federal judge has ruled that the NSA's phone metadata collection program is "likely unconstitutional," and a panel tasked with reviewing the agency presented a report to President Obama that’s said to contain reforms.

“Mr. Snowden deserves better than a life of permanent exile, fear and flight. He may have committed a crime to do so, but he has done his country a great service,” the editorial said.

Snowden has been living in Russia since August, when its government granted him temporary asylum. He faces multiple espionage charges in the United States.

In December, the White House downplayed rumors that it would consider granting Snowden amnesty.

The Times board wrote that many in the Obama administration have accused Snowden of damaging U.S. national security, but no one has provided evidence that that has happened.

“It’s why President Obama should tell his aides to begin finding a way to end Mr. Snowden’s vilification and give him an incentive to return home.”


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: nationalsecurity; nsa; privacy; snowden
NYT Editorial

It's time to bring their guy in from the cold.

1 posted on 01/02/2014 4:45:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They always support traitors to the US. Had he been someone telling us how China was spying on us that would be a different story.
2 posted on 01/02/2014 4:53:03 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Snowden blew the whistle on National Security Agency activities that have “exceeded its mandate and abused its authority.

 

Snowden blew the whistle on National Security Agency activities that have “exceeded the bounds of the constitution and abused its mandates under FISA, PA and PA II.

 

FIXED


3 posted on 01/02/2014 4:53:35 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, the problem is that while he did blow the lid of Uncle Sam’s domestic spying, he also revealed in minute detail how NSA spies on foreign governments and citizens (which I don’t care about). That’s where the real damage has occurred, especially with our Allies like Germany and the UK.


4 posted on 01/02/2014 4:55:04 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m voting for Snowden for all my write-in candidates ... given the choice between a Demo or Rino, I’m writing in Snowden.


5 posted on 01/02/2014 4:55:35 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
amnesty if Mr. Snowden would stop any additional leaks

He's been in the hands of commies and ex-communist thugs for months.. I do not believe he's got any control over leaks. They do.

6 posted on 01/02/2014 4:57:16 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let's analyze this for a moment.

It's obvious to even the casual observer that the NYT is an outright Obama mouthpiece.

But Snowden outted Obama's police state.

So, what is their REAL motivation? To make Snowden more accessible for assassination? To make him available for arrest on other crimes? What is their real, and heinously nefarious, motivation?

7 posted on 01/02/2014 5:02:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

That.


8 posted on 01/02/2014 5:03:47 AM PST by abb
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To: Lazamataz

I agree, something smells like a fish here. The NYT is a mouthpiece for Obama. And they come out “pro” Snowden? If they were told to do this by the administration (as usual)...then why does Obama want to protect Snowden?


9 posted on 01/02/2014 5:08:36 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it stood.)
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To: logic101.net

Snowden isn’t a traitor to the US. To the regime that controls it, yes, but not to the US itself.


10 posted on 01/02/2014 5:10:13 AM PST by oblomov
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To: logic101.net

If Snowden gets amnesty, it will set an awful precedent: he will become a defacto “rock star” for leaking classified information. As a result, many with access to classified and big egos/fantasies will follow in his footsteps. Count on it.


11 posted on 01/02/2014 5:11:43 AM PST by rbg81
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

It’s simple: the NYT can ALWAYS be counted on to advocate an agenda which will weaken the United States. They are the perfect reverse barometer.


12 posted on 01/02/2014 5:13:35 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yep. File under: keep your enemies closer.

They’ll offer to make him the “transparency czar”.


13 posted on 01/02/2014 5:13:45 AM PST by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: Lazamataz
So, what is their REAL motivation? To make Snowden more accessible for assassination? To make him available for arrest on other crimes? What is their real, and heinously nefarious, motivation?

The cynical pessimism of the MSM and the Left drips from your keyboard - welcome to my world!

14 posted on 01/02/2014 5:25:25 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Snowden knows something that he hasn’t yet released.


15 posted on 01/02/2014 5:28:06 AM PST by oblomov
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To: ThePatriotsFlag; Lazamataz
....why does Obama want to protect Snowden?

Why indeed?

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” - Arthur Conan Doyle.

16 posted on 01/02/2014 5:35:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: logic101.net

Problem is...a lot of people on this forum also support the traitor Snowdon.


17 posted on 01/02/2014 6:39:38 AM PST by what's up
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Pretty hard to rub out Snowden while he’s still in Russia ... get him back to the US, and he can be conveniently run down in a “traffic incident”, hey accidents happen all the time .... just like that woman in Hawaii who saw Obama’s birth certificate, and wound up being THE ONLY ONE ON THE PLANE who died in the crash ....


18 posted on 01/02/2014 6:42:02 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: rbg81

“If Snowden gets amnesty, it will set an awful precedent: he will become a defacto “rock star” for leaking classified information. As a result, many with access to classified and big egos/fantasies will follow in his footsteps. Count on it.”

Oh, they might give him amnesty and do a big show of supposedly cutting down surveillance for the sheeple. But that terrible accident/fire/medical/robbery that happens to him shortly afterward will send the real message


19 posted on 01/02/2014 6:57:20 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Combined with a Jonathan Pollard release, would cause everyone at the NSA and CIA to resign.


20 posted on 01/02/2014 6:58:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Wasn’t it the Times that worked with Dan Ellsburg releasing the Pentagon Papers? And Ellsburg was never prosecuted.

Snowden must have something else to reveal that is worrisome to the left. But in the spirit of Ellsburg the Times must view Snowden as their type of guy.


21 posted on 01/02/2014 7:30:40 AM PST by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: what's up
Problem is...a lot of people on this forum also support the traitor Snowdon.

Count me among them please. I don't give a damn about his motivations. The fact is, he has brought to light some very important things that needed to see daylight. The surveillance state is not your friend.

22 posted on 01/02/2014 7:42:25 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: what's up
Problem is...a lot of people on this forum also support the traitor Snowdon.

Add me to your list as well. As I see it the real problem is that there are a lot of short sighted people here. They can't seem to see that under Obama the NSA’s mission has evolved from National Security to collecting vast amounts of information on absolutely everyone to be used by the left for nefarious political purposes. Every totalitarian regime collects as much information as possible on its own citizens to control them. This is the path we are currently going down. If Snowden’s disclosures somehow derail this then he is a patriot not a traitor.

23 posted on 01/02/2014 8:20:02 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Combined with a Jonathan Pollard release, would cause everyone at the NSA and CIA to resign.

There are a number of left wing political types who might be persuaded to hang around to "keep things running".

/s

24 posted on 01/02/2014 8:47:58 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: BwanaNdege

“Combined with a Jonathan Pollard release, would cause everyone at the NSA and CIA to resign.”


And then go where? In this job market? They’d grumble and stay put. But tinfoil-hattery is strong on this thread, regarding “accidents” etc. that would somehow befall Snowden once he was released. But, yeah, all things considered, he’s more hero than villan.


25 posted on 01/02/2014 10:45:35 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: oblomov
>>Snowden isn’t a traitor to the US. To the regime that controls it, yes<<

I agree. Just as of late, it is being reported that the NSA has been intercepting pc/elect. device shipments in order to plant spy apps on them before delivery.

Report that Apple products have been compromised by NSA apps.

This is getting out of hand. I don't give a crap about Snowden’s political viewpoints. Snowden’s not a traitor, he’z an American hero as far as I'm concerned.

The gubbamint is acting outside the bounds of the law. It is ILLEGAL what they are doing. So what if they've been outted.

Hey, play it the way they tell citizens...If you have nothing to hide, then what's the worry?

26 posted on 01/02/2014 10:53:42 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: what's up
Problem is...a lot of people on this forum also support the traitor Snowdon.

I'm one of them. Really the problem is all of the fake patriots who are just fine with the police state because they think they have nothing to hide.

27 posted on 01/02/2014 10:58:11 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: oblomov

He initially wasn’t a traitor, then he talked to Red China and Putin. Telling the commies how we are and have been spying on them is treason. Had he not done that, ran rather to a friendly country to talk and limited what he said to the NSA’s domestic spy program I’d have considered him a hero.


28 posted on 01/02/2014 6:15:31 PM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

But the story wasn’t that the NSA was spying on China and Russia; everyone knew that, and the methods weren’t any surprise either.

The news was the extent to which our government is spying on US citizens, in direct violation of the 4th Amendment.

I’m glad that Snowden released the information. It took the Stasi-like domestic surveillance programs from the realm of conspiratorial speculation to established fact.

The accusations of Snowden committing treason by government officials is nothing more than a distraction from their own crimes. If anything, it is they who should be convicted of treason.

Our domestic enemies are far more dangerous than our foreign ones at this point.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 4:07:43 AM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov

Our domestic enemies are far more dangerous than our foreign ones at this point.

I agree with that, but only at the moment. Our methods of spying on the commies (non-US) were secret. Now they are exposed and we are blind to what may be coming our way. This is NOT the act of a patriot.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 4:47:50 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

traitor? how is he a traitor for exposing treason? The nsa is violating the forth amendment and snowden exposed it, that makes him the antithesis of a traitor

A broken clock is right two times a day and this is case about this article by new york times


31 posted on 01/03/2014 8:24:55 AM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: The Right wing Infidel

Our methods of spying on the commies (non-US) were secret. Now they are exposed

Does that answer your question? Hopefully this domestic enemy will go away someday; our external enemies will still be there and now we don’t know what they are up to!

His initial actions were VERY honorable; his later actions are treasonous. I WAS in your camp until he started telling the world our other secrets. How many CIA assets are now at risk or dead? Not just our guys but the guys who were talking to our guys? Our info sources? Why not just expose the names of our special ops guys? Yes I know this administration did that, and it is treasonous. Snowden did the same thing.


32 posted on 01/03/2014 10:52:04 PM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

Russia is more rightwing then usa, they are far more consertive on the homosexual agenda and taxes in russia are lower then in usa


33 posted on 01/04/2014 4:13:38 AM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: The Right wing Infidel

So? Under Putin they still want to destroy us.


34 posted on 01/04/2014 8:54:00 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

the cold war is over, russia is not communist anymore, usa is far more to the left then russia


35 posted on 01/05/2014 6:11:58 AM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: The Right wing Infidel

So you are saying that Putin is our friend? And so are the Red Chinese?


36 posted on 01/06/2014 4:44:48 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

Putin is a nationalist for his own country, he takes decisions that benefit his nation the most, a quality obongo surly lacks , weather the decisions harm usa or not is not Putin priority his priority is the welfare of his own nation and i admire that.

infarct Obama has insulting Putin by putting a gay delegate to protest Putin opposition to the homosexual agenda,

Putin had a good relationship with George Bush but Obama seems hellbent on destroying that, Putin hates obama


37 posted on 01/06/2014 6:46:02 PM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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