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Jews Missing from ABC Greatest Women in Music List
Lawrence Journal World ^ | January 4, 2014 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 01/04/2014 2:11:29 PM PST by kathsua

Why are there no Jews on ABC's list of the 30 greatest women in music during the last 50 years?

This question might not be important if it weren't for the fact that two women more deserving of being on the list than at least 80% of those listed by ABC are both Jewish. Barbra Streisand and Carole King both should be near the top of any list of the greatest women in music. They aren't the only great women missing from the list, but they are the only two whose omission cannot be justified. Incidentally, I'm a Baptist.

The closest the list has to someone Jewish is Madonna who has followed the school of thought called Kabbalah which originated in Jewish mysticism but now has become associated with other religions as well. P!nk (Alecia Beth Moore) had a Jewish mother and Christian father, but prefers to not be identified with any specific religion.

Many of us believe that Barbra Streisand is the greatest female singer of the last 50 years, although I do consider Whitney Houston worthy of consideration for that honor even though her career was far too short. I also believe Streisand became the greatest living entertainer when Elvis Presley died. She has received 8 Grammy Awards and is one of the few entertainers to win an Academy Award, Grammy, Emmy and Tony awards. She has also received a Peabody Award and a Kennedy Center Honor Award. The Recording Industry Association of America lists her as the top album selling female artist with 71.5 million albums in the U.S. and 145 million records worldwide. .

How can anyone make a list of the 30 greatest women in music in the last 50 years and not include the first woman to win the Gershwin Prize for song writing, Carole King? The Gershwin prize site says she "is without question the most successful and revered female songwriter in pop music history."

Her album "Tapestry" held the record for most album sales by a female until that record was beaten by Whitney Houston. She won four Grammys from the album including becoming the first woman to win Song of the Year.

Songs she wrote helped other women singers. the Shirelles release of King's "Will you still love me tomorrow" became the first number 1 hit by a black girl group. "(You make me feel like) a natural woman" became a signature song for Aretha Franklin.

The "Divine Miss M" Bette Midler is another Jewish woman who should be in the top 30, although she isn't as well qualified as Streisand and King. "Midler has been nominated for two Academy Awards, and won three Grammy Awards, four Golden Globes, three Emmy Awards, and a special Tony Award. She has sold over 30 million albums worldwide[2] and along with that has also received 13 Gold, 8 Platinum and 4 Multiplatinum albums by RIAA.[3]" At the very least she should be above Karen Carpenter.

I can understand how people who lack familiarity with music in the sixties might overlook Janis Joplin whose career like that of Whitney Houston was far too short. She played a major role in establishment of the genre of psychedelic soul and was considered the "queen of psychedelic soul". In 2008 "Rolling Stone" ranked her 28 on a list that had men holding most of the top 30 positions. I was a fan of Karen Carpenter but not of Janis Joplin but I would rate Joplin well above Carpenter,

I can understand how Ella Fitzgerald might be excluded from consideration because most of her success was prior to 1960 even though she continued to perform after 1960. The same situation applies to Mahalia Jackson and country music's first diva Kitty Wells who paved the way for other women to succeed in country music.


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment; Religion; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: abc; jews; memebuilding; music; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; women
I wonder if ABC is following the lead of our anti-Israel / anti-Jew president.
1 posted on 01/04/2014 2:11:30 PM PST by kathsua
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To: Revolting cat!
Barbra Streisand and Carole King both should be near the top of any list of the greatest women in music

Care to weigh in, RC?

2 posted on 01/04/2014 2:12:28 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Revolting cat!
during the last 50 years

So leave Kate Smith out of it!

3 posted on 01/04/2014 2:13:05 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: All

With the clock ticking from 1964-2013, somebody make a list!


4 posted on 01/04/2014 2:14:30 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kathsua

ABC touting Obama’s hatred. How sad.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 2:16:35 PM PST by khenrich (These days, people pine for Jimmy Carter........)
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To: kathsua
Why are there no Jews on ABC's list of the 30 greatest women in music during the last 50 years?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe nobody cared about if they were Jewish or not.
Oh.. wait..

I wonder if ABC is following the lead of our anti-Israel / anti-Jew president.

So you think Obama has been president for the last 50 years?
Wow, you must be some kind of impaired or differently abled.

6 posted on 01/04/2014 2:18:43 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: a fool in paradise

The author’s correct about BS..though she’s not gonna get much support her at FR..in fact..it’s about time for those really bad pics of her to show up on this thread, in 3-2-1


7 posted on 01/04/2014 2:19:33 PM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: humblegunner

So you think Obama has been president for the last 50 years?

No it just feels like it


8 posted on 01/04/2014 2:21:07 PM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: ken5050

9 posted on 01/04/2014 2:22:38 PM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: a fool in paradise

This young Russian Jewish woman found herself performing at the White House a few years ago.

If you actually listen to the words, WOW, WOW,

Regina Spektor - “Us” (live at the White House)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7y4PCyREo


10 posted on 01/04/2014 2:23:51 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: ken5050

Better have brain bleach on standby.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 2:24:20 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: khenrich

What the heck?

Do people generally know the religion of celebrities or others in public life in the first place?

Is there some sort of quota which we should be aware of, so that there are enough Jewish people represented on various rankings of people in different areas of life???


12 posted on 01/04/2014 2:27:01 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: kathsua

The list heavily favors more recent pop music than anything else. I see no anti Jew message in this list. Do you see Jew hatred in everything?


13 posted on 01/04/2014 2:28:28 PM PST by EEGator
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To: a fool in paradise

1. Freddie Mercury


14 posted on 01/04/2014 2:31:12 PM PST by EEGator
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To: anyone

>
Billboard - The Top 30 Jewish Musicians

By David Greenwald | November 27, 2013

http://www.billboard.com/articles/list/1481533/the-top-30-jewish-musicians

>
List of Jewish musicians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_musicians


15 posted on 01/04/2014 2:33:46 PM PST by deks (Happy New Year!)
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To: kathsua

From what I saw, all the women on the list performed on the Dick Clark New Year’s Eve show. Did Streisand ever do that?


16 posted on 01/04/2014 2:34:55 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: kathsua

Why didn’t Babs make the cut? 1. Yentl. 2. The Main Event.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 2:35:30 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: kathsua

Maybe they didn’t bother in looking at the candidates’ religious affiliation? And why should they?


18 posted on 01/04/2014 2:35:44 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: kathsua

It’s beyond dispute that both Streisand and King should be on this list.


19 posted on 01/04/2014 2:36:21 PM PST by jocon307
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To: kathsua
Why are there no Jews on ABC's list of the 30 greatest women in music during the last 50 years?

Are there any Chinese?

Hindu chicks?

Midgets or pygmies?

Albinos?

Yugoslavians?

Quadriplegics?

Blind people?

Circus Managers?

Fish Mongers?

No?

Why not?

20 posted on 01/04/2014 2:37:29 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: EEGator; Revolting cat!

Little Richard.

“SHUT UP!”


21 posted on 01/04/2014 2:38:56 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: humblegunner

How many Conservatives made the list?


22 posted on 01/04/2014 2:39:27 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kathsua

Wow. A freeper post that praises Streisand - I thought that would never happen.

I’ve been a Streisand fan for 40 odd years now. A great entertainer, an Israel/IDF lover, a woman who has brought women’s heart disease to an American audience when all they seem to care about is breast cancer and a complete doofus when it comes to American domestic affairs. Who knows why she has been overlooked? She’s got enough money and awards to last a life time. As her ex-husband, Elliot Gould, observed: she lives like an empress. And, believe me, she does. Maybe, one day, she can entertain our tacky, icky, goyishe American troops. Then, I can truly respect her.


23 posted on 01/04/2014 2:40:19 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Is Martha Argerich Jewish?


24 posted on 01/04/2014 2:43:06 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: a fool in paradise
How many Conservatives made the list?

Don't know, didn't look.

I wouldn't know their political outlooks anyway, even if I'd heard of any of 'em.

Does it matter?

Isn't the list supposed to be about the music?

25 posted on 01/04/2014 2:43:09 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: kathsua

Where is this list? The article linked a ladygaga site and I couldn’t find an article from ABC in google news


26 posted on 01/04/2014 2:45:21 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: humblegunner; Revolting cat!

“best of lists” and “grammy award”/”pulitzer prize” winners are never about “the music”.


27 posted on 01/04/2014 2:48:14 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise
Those two have nothing on me...
28 posted on 01/04/2014 2:48:20 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Somebody realized her dream.


29 posted on 01/04/2014 2:50:26 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kathsua

So the writer complains that there are no Jews on the list. Are there any Methodists? Why is a musician’s religion such a big deal?


30 posted on 01/04/2014 2:51:31 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: a fool in paradise

Ellie Greenwich, Cynthia Weil.

Again, the clueless author cites sales figures as a measure of quality. Maybe for the philistines. Carole King as a whining proto-feminist solo act? Shouldn’t have divorced Gerry.

Non-Jewish, don’t get me started, I want to eat a peaceful dinner, and I know no one has ever heard of Ann Peebles or Marti Jones. Because they didn’t sell, they can’t be any good.


31 posted on 01/04/2014 2:52:12 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 5thGenTexan

I think that’s the key right there. Otherwise, Streisand, Joplin and Ronstadt should be there.


32 posted on 01/04/2014 2:59:12 PM PST by karnage
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To: kathsua

Personally, I would never put Barbra Streisand or Carole King on any list that had the word “Greatest” in the title.

Perhaps the folks who made that list feel the same way.


33 posted on 01/04/2014 3:01:59 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: a fool in paradise
“best of lists” and “grammy award”/”pulitzer prize” winners are never about “the music”.

So.. apparently whoever wrote this thinks they ought to be about being Jewish.

Whatever such awards are about, my point is that a lots of other
groups were also excluded. Why cry about it? How many Presbyterians were included?

Don't know? Because nobody cares and it didn't factor into the selection.
It's a nothing little list and it doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference
if it doesn't include Jews or Presbyterians or midgets or Ferret Breeders.

34 posted on 01/04/2014 3:03:22 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: MV=PY

+1!

How about Pat Benatar? Rosie of the Originals?


35 posted on 01/04/2014 3:03:53 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: kathsua
If I were to compile a list of the top female musicians of the last 50 years, it would be topped by Janet Greene:

The Hunter and the Bear

Fascist Threat

Poor Left-Winger

Commie Lies

36 posted on 01/04/2014 3:06:40 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Revolting cat!

I still want to see the list. Was Ronnie Spector there?


37 posted on 01/04/2014 3:07:26 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Revolting cat!
"How about Pat Benatar? Rosie of the Originals?"

Pat Benatar is amazing. Ya got me on Rosie - I'll go do some poking around.

38 posted on 01/04/2014 3:08:57 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: a fool in paradise

What about Spanky Gang of Spanky and Our Gang?


39 posted on 01/04/2014 3:14:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Is Martha Argerich Jewish?

Or Valentina Lisitsa?

40 posted on 01/04/2014 3:18:43 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: kathsua

Because they weren’t good enough singers.


41 posted on 01/04/2014 3:29:03 PM PST by The Toll
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To: kathsua

I don’t particularly care for Barbra ... but, really, you can’t deny her talent nor her influence in music. Without her, others wouldn’t have made it later on.


42 posted on 01/04/2014 3:29:14 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: kathsua

Go listen to Linda Ronstadt’s version of ‘Blue Bayou’ or ‘Faithless Love’ and tell me that she couldn’t out sing the vast majority of those on the list, and any list of the greatest women in music for the last 50 years that doesn’t include Loretta Lynn loses all credibility anyway.

Also, ‘Blondie’ is a group, Deborah Harry is the lead singer. I can’t say she comes to mind as one of the most important female singers of recent decades, but at least they should give her credit if they think she is deserving of being listed.


43 posted on 01/04/2014 3:44:08 PM PST by Stevenc131
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To: kathsua

Barbra Streisand does have talent. Too bad she is not sane.


44 posted on 01/04/2014 3:49:26 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: al baby

BS, back in the day......yeah, I’d hit that. The conversation might be painful but thems the breaks.


45 posted on 01/04/2014 4:10:43 PM PST by FAA
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m with you. I was only a kid when she sang People. It swept my heart away.


46 posted on 01/04/2014 5:13:07 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: kathsua

Where’s Enya?

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47 posted on 01/04/2014 5:19:50 PM PST by Mears
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To: kathsua

Mr Eric Holder? Calling Mr Eric Holder?


48 posted on 01/04/2014 7:30:34 PM PST by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: Stevenc131

Right on both counts. Loretta is certainly better than Shania Twain and Taylor Swift. I recently saw a tv interview in which Dolly Parton was quoted as having said there were only three good female singers, Barbra Streisand, Linda Rondstadt and Connie Smith. Dolly said she and all the others are just pretenders.


49 posted on 01/05/2014 1:57:04 AM PST by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides;)
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To: kathsua

What about Connie Francis? Jeez...


50 posted on 01/05/2014 2:07:54 AM PST by RedHeeler
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