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Conrad Black: What would Woodrow Wilson say?
National Post ^ | January 4, 2014 | Conrad Black

Posted on 01/05/2014 9:08:24 AM PST by rickmichaels

Woodrow Wilson is widely disparaged as an ineffectual dreamer. But as A. Scott Berg’s newly published biography of the 28th President of the United States (excerpted recently on these pages) makes clear, Wilson was in fact an exceptional leader. He founded the Federal Reserve, enacted the Clayton Antitrust Act, reduced tariffs, and tried admirably to veto the lunacy of Prohibition. He is rivaled only by Thomas Jefferson, and perhaps John Quincy Adams, as the greatest intellect ever to occupy the White House. He composed his own speeches and delivered them ex tempore — often with overpowering eloquence.

More important, Wilson was the greatest prophet of the Twentieth Century, in many ways surpassing and even presaging Gandhi and Mandela: He was the first person to inspire the masses of the world with the vision of enduring peace, and of the acceptance and imposition of international law and of postcolonial institutions indicative of the equal rights of all nationalities and the common interest of all peoples.

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KEYWORDS: claytonantitrustact; federalreserve; progressive; singlepartystate; wannabeedictator; woodrowwilson
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1 posted on 01/05/2014 9:08:25 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Felon Black pimping progressive Wilson.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 9:11:54 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: rickmichaels

Where’s the barf alert ? Wilson was a monster and begat the modern-day leftist Democrat menace.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 9:12:19 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Many of the tactics used by the nazis were modeled on Wilsonian progressivism.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 9:14:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rickmichaels

...because slacker Obama simply isn’t measuring up as a champion Fabian.


5 posted on 01/05/2014 9:15:06 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

*ping*

You’ll die laughing at this epic spew.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 9:15:29 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: rickmichaels
If Wilson were here today to see the state of affairs in this nation, I have no doubt his response would be;


7 posted on 01/05/2014 9:15:53 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gun horror is not a productive emotion, it's learned helplessness disguised as moral superiority.")
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To: cripplecreek

I was noticing that on the west side of Detroit runs Woodrow Wilson Boulevard. Does anyone not see the irony of having such a street named for one of the greatest anti-Black racists running through almost uniformally Black neighborhoods ?


8 posted on 01/05/2014 9:18:17 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: rickmichaels

I guess this author forgot the part about re-segregation of the military by Wilson.


9 posted on 01/05/2014 9:19:25 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I don't understand the need for barf-alert admonitions. Posting an article doesn't necessarily mean either endorsing it or opposing it. Moreover, I'm quite sure that other FReepers are intelligent enough not to need me or anyone else to screen articles before they read them...or choose to ignore them.

Sorry for the rant, but you gave me a good opportunity to present my opinion. Cheers.

10 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:20 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: cripplecreek

Wilsons policies and those of the league of nations directly contributed to the european strife and culminated in WWII.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:29 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: rickmichaels
He was the first person to inspire the masses of the world with the vision of enduring peace...

Yeah. That whole League of Nations thing worked out real well following the "War to End All Wars". *Sheesh*!

12 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:48 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: rickmichaels

The Federal Reserve, the Income Tax and the 1st World War - what a legacy !


13 posted on 01/05/2014 9:28:04 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I sent one of the inner city pastors I know in Detroit a copy of “Coolidge” for Christmas along with some select quotes from Coolidge on race, rights, and freedom. He sent me an email the other day to tell me that last Sunday’s sermon came right out of the book.

It was about those who speak of their good deeds endlessly vs those who quietly do good without fanfare and the rewards awaiting both men in eternity.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 9:31:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; TADSLOS
Wilson was a Horribly Racist, Manipulative, and Terrible Man, I need to find my Graphic that has a Campaign Poster for Wilson that says "He Kept us out of War" From October 1916.

Then SEVEN MONTHS Later, "WAS AT WAR WITH GERMANY"

Another Proggisive Military Adventure that Got our Boys Killed and us on an International Scene that we didn't need to be on.

From the Civil War to the Spanish American War all the conflict we had was in the West with the Native Tribes.

Then after that you had The Philippines, Nicaragua, Haiti, World War One, etc etc

15 posted on 01/05/2014 9:32:52 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: rickmichaels
Because some articles that are presented as serious and straight-faced as this one, when they are outrageously and egregiously ludicrous (reflective of the cognitive dissonance of the leftist thought process) to the point of satire, deserve to be explicitly flagged as deserving of FReeper attention. This one is a beaut.
16 posted on 01/05/2014 9:33:06 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: KC_Lion

League of Nations. ‘Nuf said.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 9:36:57 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: rickmichaels

The love affair the left has with Wilson amazes me considering how he unilaterally federalized segregation.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 9:37:51 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: rickmichaels
What would Woodrow Wilson say?

"Damn, it's real hot down here."

19 posted on 01/05/2014 9:38:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rickmichaels
Yet, he fails to ask the FAR more important question:

What would Brian Boitano do ?

20 posted on 01/05/2014 9:39:29 AM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: rickmichaels
"and of the acceptance and imposition of international law "

The first major 'One-World' lunatic to hold the most powerful office in the world.

We are all still suffering the effects of things he did so many decades ago

21 posted on 01/05/2014 9:40:26 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: rickmichaels

its just a courtesy warning to fellow freepers who may have just finished lunch


22 posted on 01/05/2014 9:41:45 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: cripplecreek

Both Coolidge and Warren Harding are two of the best and most successful individuals to have occupied the White House of the last 150 years (with only Reagan coming close, though even he could not accomplish what they did in cutting spending and the size of government). Harding resolved the recession of Wilson’s in almost record time and unleashed almost unprecedented prosperity for the nation. That was Detroit’s most successful decade and made the city one of our greatest — until those following Wilson’s leftist model and worse perverted it to a nightmare.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 9:42:19 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: TADSLOS; cripplecreek
Which the US didn't join and Conservatives retook congress and Told Wilson to stick those 14 Points where the Sun Don't Shine.

We made Peace with Germany and the Other Central Powers and that was it.

At least we did something right because the country took a turn hard right after World War One (Harding and Coolidge)

24 posted on 01/05/2014 9:45:58 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

In 1924, Coolidge responded to a letter that claimed the United States was a “white man’s country”:

....I was amazed to receive such a letter. During the war 500,000 colored men and boys were called up under the draft, not one of whom sought to evade it. [As president, I am] one who feels a responsibility for living up to the traditions and maintaining the principles of the Republican Party. Our Constitution guarantees equal rights to all our citizens, without discrimination on account of race or color. I have taken my oath to support that Constitution....


25 posted on 01/05/2014 9:47:42 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rickmichaels

I’ve sometimes wondered, what kind of a man apologizes for his rants?


26 posted on 01/05/2014 9:53:25 AM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: cripplecreek

Coolidge repeatedly called for anti-lynching laws to be enacted, but most Congressional attempts to pass this legislation were filibustered by Democrats.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 10:02:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rickmichaels
"Wilson was the greatest prophet of the Twentieth Century, in many ways surpassing and even presaging Gandhi and Mandela"

Even surpassing His Holiness Mandela! Wow!

28 posted on 01/05/2014 10:21:52 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: edpc

Or the civil service.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 10:22:40 AM PST by buwaya
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To: rickmichaels

Complete rubbish.

Wilson was the worst president in US history precisely because he thought he was better and smarter than everyone else. Federal Reserve, Income Tax, decoupling US States from their US Senators (17th Amendment), Prohibition and involving the USA in a war we had no business being involved in and that later led to the emergence of Nazi Germany, all of these things happened on his watch.

With the exception of the repeal of Prohibition decades later, all of Wilson’s ‘visions’ have resulted in taking away freedom and badly damaging our republican form of government.


30 posted on 01/05/2014 10:40:24 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’m positive that the paternalistic liberal white people who named that Boulevard were well aware of the irony.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 11:25:59 AM PST by oblomov
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To: rickmichaels

Wilson in Hell
by Robinson Jeffers

Roosevelt died and met Wilson; who said “I
blundered into it
Through honest error, and conscience cut me so deep that
I died
In the vain effort to prevent future wars. But you
Blew on the coal-bed, and when it kindled you deliberately
Sabotaged every fire-wall that even the men who denied
My hope had built. You have too much murder on your
hands. I will not
Speak of the lies and connivings. I cannot understand the
Mercy
That permits us to meet in the same heaven.—Or is this
my hell?”


32 posted on 01/05/2014 11:28:37 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Hoodat
The love affair the left has with Wilson amazes me considering how he unilaterally federalized segregation.

Why does that surprise you? Liberals like keeping people on plantations. They may say they don't but actions speak louder then words

33 posted on 01/05/2014 11:29:47 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: rickmichaels

Interestingly, I am currently reading a history of the 1920’s, originally pubished titled “Only Yesterday”, by Frederick Lewis Allen.

http://www.amazon.com/Yesterday-Hardcover-Frederick-Lewis-Allen/dp/1849029520/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1388950357&sr=8-1

This guy pretty much rips on Wilson in a couple of the early chapters..had him pegged as an “idealist”, and essentially ineffective as POTUS.

interesting to gain some insight into a real historical perspective, not done through the filter of post-modernism.

Check it out.


34 posted on 01/05/2014 11:34:41 AM PST by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: rickmichaels

As a reader of many of Black’s columns where he very often has quite a level headed view of matters, this one seems totally out in left field....


35 posted on 01/05/2014 11:50:11 AM PST by hecticskeptic
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"...Woodrow Wilson is widely disparaged as an ineffectual dreamer..."

No. He is widely disparaged as a dangerous liberal statist, who, if he had been more effective, would had torpedoed the USA.

He was a liberal, statist turd, and it bothers me to see his visage on a dime.

36 posted on 01/05/2014 11:52:41 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

That’s FDR on the dime. Wilson is on the $100,000 bill.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 11:55:11 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Hahaha...of course you are right. Getting caught up in my irritation.


38 posted on 01/05/2014 11:59:05 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It is a shame that FDR is even on a dime.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 11:59:45 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

Of course, FDR was the VP nominee in 1920 to carry on the Wilsonian agenda. Curiously, the Democrats wanted to nominate a certain individual for President that year... none other than Herbert Hoover. Hoover opted not to run because he knew the party would be obliterated at the polls (and switched to the GOP instead, where he would unleash his “progressivism” to terrible effect, in stark contrast to the Harding-Coolidge model 8 years later).


40 posted on 01/05/2014 12:02:26 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Conrad Black isn't a leftist. He's a Canadian Conservative. In US terms he's more or less a Nixonian. Hence the big book he wrote on Nixon, and hence (maybe) his ending up in prison.

As a Nixonian, he pretty much accepted the historical interpretation current in his formative years of Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt as great men. Hence his massive book on FDR and hence this article.

While I disagree with Black about Wilson -- he really does overdo it -- I appreciate that he's bringing a different point of view here that might make people think and reconsider opinions that have become automatic and unthinking lately.

Nowadays it's become as commonplace and automatic to damn Wilson as it once was to praise him, and when that happens, maybe it's a good idea to consider whether we've gone too far.

41 posted on 01/05/2014 12:06:38 PM PST by x
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To: rlmorel
I'd like a return to the Mercury dime. That's a beautiful coin. The habit of putting busts of Presidents on coins didn't happen until the 20th century (penny-1909; nickel-1938; dime-1946; quarter-1932; half-dollar-1964; dollar-1971). Before that, it was Indians, birds, or depictions of a feminine liberty. We should go back to that.


42 posted on 01/05/2014 12:08:57 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I am all for that. Stop putting politicians on coins and naming ships after them. I make an exception for George Washington.


43 posted on 01/05/2014 12:13:07 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: x

Black may not claim to be leftist, but his piece certainly was. I don’t think we’ve gone far enough with damning Wilson. The damage he inflicted (and later followed up by his disciples) has caused enormous damage to our country. If we were to roll back most of our policies to 1913, just before he took office, we’d be better off for it.


44 posted on 01/05/2014 12:13:39 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That is a handsome coin...


45 posted on 01/05/2014 12:13:46 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel
If I got to select the coinage today from past designs, this is how I'd have it...

Penny

Nickel

Dime

Quarter

Half-Dollar (currently used on the Silver Dollar)

Dollar


46 posted on 01/05/2014 12:34:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

...actions speak louder then words

***
I think you meant to say

“actions speak louder THAN words”.

http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/than_then.htm


47 posted on 01/05/2014 12:35:45 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I like those choices...


48 posted on 01/05/2014 12:37:35 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Bigg Red
Actually I think I meant to type it.

:pick pick pick:

49 posted on 01/05/2014 12:38:19 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: rlmorel

It is a shame that FDR is even on a dime.

***
Well, maybe it’s appropriate, as soon we will all be singing that Depression song “Buddy, Can You Spare A Dime?”


50 posted on 01/05/2014 12:39:11 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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