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Vanity: Need advice for best state
05 Jan 2014 | self

Posted on 01/05/2014 6:21:07 PM PST by Utilizer

Due to health considerations, I have been unable to travel for some time. However, doctors have now given tentative approval for limited travel for a few days. This may be the last chance I have to do so before declining health no longer allows that, so I am thinking of visiting with BIL's family in Vermont, with perhaps one or two short stops to visit other family members on the way back. I am looking for recommendations for the following needs:

1. A State where the Driver's Licence requirements are not unduly onerous since I have only a limited time and can not travel very far. By the time I travel in the spring (April or thereabouts) the licence I had in the past will have expired. California has tightened up its requirements (unless you are an Illegal, apparantly) and is now demanding a Birth Certificate and one more form of ID such as a valid SSN and proof of residence. My BC was recorded on paper records which no longer exist, so now Cali wants a Passport at least. Which brings up more problems such as around 400 dollars US for the fees and a several months long wait for processing. A State which will accept the old DL info by checking the Licence database for Cali (which the LEOs all use routinely when they run a check) with minimal processing time would be ideal.

2. A State where the firearms purchasing requirements are also fairly easy (see above limitations) and registration is not ridiculous. I am beyond tired of attempting to purchase a firearm and having dealers flat out refuse when they find out I am from California. Plus, the new laws demanding the registration of all long-arms including all rifles and shotguns are outrageous, on top of which the mandatory ten-day 'wait' period before you can pick up your purchase is asinine.

3. Longer term; which State has the least Property Taxes should I find it necessary to permanently relocate? The southern and border states are out, unfortunately, since this medical condition is sensitive to high temps with the accompanying high humidity. Power goes out and the AC is off for long, I will wind up in the ER again which is never a fun prospect.


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1 posted on 01/05/2014 6:21:07 PM PST by Utilizer
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To: Utilizer

The Dakotas or Montana.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 6:22:32 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Utilizer

Iowa.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 6:23:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Utilizer

Rural Idaho, most places will take your old California license and hand you a new Idaho license, the weather while cold in the winter is relatively mild during the summer, housing prices are still reasonable (except in border regions with Washington.)

Only problem is that medical care can be rather scattered and at rather high distances. If you are in an urban area of Idaho, things get a lot more weird.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 6:26:56 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Utilizer
From your profile it states you are from Northern California, I am assuming that is still the case.

We moved in June from Solano County to Arizona (Scottsdale), which meets all three of the stated criteria.

If you fear the hot summers of Phoenix consider: Prescott, Flagstaff and other areas all of which are 10-15 degrees cooler than Phoenix.

5 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:36 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: kingu

Come to Alabama


6 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:57 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: Utilizer

Vermont wins two out of three.

But their taxes can suck.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 6:28:45 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Utilizer

A good beer puts you in a pretty good state.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 6:31:53 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Utilizer

Except for the fact that you have to have a permit to carry concealed, Georgia is one of the best.

They have to give you the permit and it is inexpensive. The carry rules are also generous.


9 posted on 01/05/2014 6:33:34 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

I forgot to add that you do not have to have a reason and you do not have to take any test etc.

I could happily live with Georgia’s rules even tho I think constitutional carry is what it should be.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 6:36:11 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

McCall, Idaho.

Midway, Utah.

Cold enough most time.

My bugout choices because I love the cold and my body performs quite well in cold.

Gun friendly

Maybe a Mormon can help with your BC.

Where were you born?


11 posted on 01/05/2014 6:37:08 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Michael.SF.
If you fear the hot summers of Phoenix...

Mild correction: it is not a fear, unfortunately. I take medications for seizures on a twice daily basis, and one of the triggers appears to be a heat sensitivity. Happened last year in early June and I wound up in the ER after a massive one where I had bitten through My tongue.

Not an experience I wish to undergo again, and not the first time it had happened, unfortunately.

And yes I am still in NorCal. Thank you for the suggestion. I actually have a sibling in Arizona that I was thinking of stopping by to visit on the way back, so I just might email and see what they think.

12 posted on 01/05/2014 6:37:39 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
If you want to be nearer to your relatives in Vermont without getting stuck in the crazy ultraleft culture of New England, you could do a lot worse than SW Pennsylvania.

Pittsburgh is the only blight on an otherwise very American part of America and that is alleviated somewhat by the fact that the city of steel is now the city of colleges and hospitals with some of the top rated medical care in the country.

Driver's licenses here are fairly easy to obtain with a license from another state and some proof of address (such as a utility bill in your name). We have the second highest number of gun owners in America (to Texas) and summers which, while humid, do not get uncomfortably hot for more than a few days at a time.

My property tax on a $140K or so market value home is about $2200 annually, so not bad. Housing here is some of the most affordable in the country and a remarkably stable market.

The annual double digits up and down of a Florida or California are, even in the worst of times, mid single digits. The lower single digits are more common.

Another advantage for retirees is that we do not tax retirement income. Even though we are one of the poorer states in which to establish a business (thanks to a gaggle of idiot voters clustered around cities like Philadelpia, Scranton and Pittsburgh), we consistently rank in the top 10 of best places to retire. And, if you want to totally insulate yourself from the idiots in the aforementioned cities, you can find many of the same advantages in or near West Virginia border towns such as Wheeling and Morgantown.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 6:38:44 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Utilizer

You damned sure don’t want to come to the state of Connecticut. this is a land of high Taxes,Poverty and corruption.

We also have a lot of politicians who support amnesty for illegal aliens at the expense of there own fellow citizens.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 6:39:05 PM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The Dakotas or Montana.

What are their requirements considering the things I need to get done in the limited timeframe I mentioned?

15 posted on 01/05/2014 6:42:11 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually, I had not considered Iowa. How difficult is it to get a DL there and what is the wait period?


16 posted on 01/05/2014 6:43:33 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Vigilanteman

Florida, especially the panhandle has a lot going for it. No state income tax, no sales tax on groceries or medicine.

Concealed carry permit not that hard to get and the weather is nice. Summers are no warmer than any other normal state and despite what you hear, humidity is not bad either. It gets cold in the Winter but I like the change of seasons.

Also Florida’s First Congressional District has been called the most conservative in the nation.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 6:44:26 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Utilizer

You must document your date of birth, identity and lawful status or presence. Select ONE document you will use. If possible, select a document that has your current full legal name to avoid documenting any name change.

Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or U.S. passport card

Certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state of the United States. (”State” includes the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, or the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.) It must be a certified copy and have the stamp or raised seal of the issuing authority. A hospital-issued certificate is not acceptable. A certified birth certificate issued by Puerto Rico must be certified as being issued on or after July 1, 2010.

Consular Report of Birth Abroad issued by the U.S. Department of State (Form FS-240, DS-1350 or FS-545)

Certificate of Naturalization (Form N-550, N-570 or N-578)

Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-560, N-561 or N-645)

Unexpired Permanent Resident Card (Form I-551)

Unexpired Employment Authorization Document (Form I-766)

Record of Arrival and Departure (I-94) with attached photo and stamped “Temporary Proof of Lawful Permanent Resident”

Record of Arrival and Departure (I-94) stamped “Refugee,” “Parolee” or “Asylee”

Unexpired foreign passport accompanied by the approved I-94 documenting the applicant’s most recent admittance into the United States

Valid foreign passport stamped “Processed for I-551”

Permit to Reenter the United States (I-327)

Refugee Travel Document (I-571)


18 posted on 01/05/2014 6:46:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Vermont Lt

So buy your guns in VT and live in NH where there is no income tax, although property taxes are high.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 6:47:22 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: kingu
Idaho, most places will take your old California license and hand you a new Idaho license...

How much ID will they require? The DMV here took the old one when I applied for a replacement, and before they mentioned the new requirements I needed, although I have the number memorized. Now all I have is a VA picture ID card (which is a valid Federal and Military ID, though not everyone seems to understand that) and postmarked envelopes to prove the mailing address. Or do I need to establish an address there as well? Will they also demand a Passport?

20 posted on 01/05/2014 6:50:11 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer; a fool in paradise
I don't know the best state, but just in case I must warn you against the worst one, in case some fool comes here and claims it is the best and you believe him:

The state of North Korea.

21 posted on 01/05/2014 6:52:47 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Utilizer

Where were you born?


22 posted on 01/05/2014 6:53:57 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: yarddog
I forgot to add that you do not have to have a reason and you do not have to take any test etc.

I am not worried about general tests. I am ex-military (and have recently been notified that I may be subject to involuntary recall if needed, so I suppose I am also Inactive Reserve) and have trained with firearms to form and standard from years of carrying when I was in.

What about the other requirements? Such as having to register and the waiting period, not to mention the DL requirements. Alabama and Georgia are too hot and humid for living there, I am afraid.

23 posted on 01/05/2014 6:54:51 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Michael.SF.
We moved in June from Solano County to Arizona (Scottsdale), which meets all three of the stated criteria.

I just left Solano County 6 weeks ago. I retired from the AF at Travis AFB, then retired from 25 years at CSP Solano, on Peabody Road in Vacaville, but I went a WHOLE lot further than AZ.

24 posted on 01/05/2014 6:55:04 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Chickensoup

I lived in NH. The property taxes equaled what I would have paid in income tax and sales tax.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 7:00:35 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Utilizer

I decided to take a year off around 1994 and research my ancestors who came from Georgia. Actually all but that one had been in Florida since the 1700s.

If I remember right, all I had to do was surrender my Florida DL and take an easy written test. Couldn’t have been much easier. I got a concealed carry license which I think was $12 at the time. I didn’t have to do anything but show my drivers license.

Northern Georgia in the mountains is about as pleasant in the Summer as one could want. Just stay away from Atlanta.

The humidity in Georgia and Alabama is no worse than any other state except the arid ones.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 7:01:23 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Utilizer

Don’t even THINK of ANY Red England state.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 7:02:44 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Mark17
Not too far from where we were (Benicia).

We moved to Arizona as that is where our kids settled.

Did you run across Charlie while you were there at CSP?

28 posted on 01/05/2014 7:04:18 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Vigilanteman
If you want to be nearer to your relatives in Vermont without getting stuck in the crazy ultraleft culture of New England, you could do a lot worse than SW Pennsylvania.Driver's licenses here are fairly easy to obtain with a license from another state and some proof of address (such as a utility bill in your name).

How about just a VA Card, with perhaps an old (more than twenty years) International Motorist Certificate? I used to travel quite extensively when I was younger and had to have the Certificate before I could take the Driver Exams in other countries, but that was some time ago and I do not believe I have any other paperwork (Nihonjin and Phlippines "Temporary Driver's Permits for instance) from that time.

I am still quite incensed that the DMV took away the old DL before informing Me of the new requirements, especially since they accepted it as proof of ID at the time but demanded new proof before they would issue a new one. Still fuming about that!

We have the second highest number of gun owners in America (to Texas)...

What about the fireams license requirements, registration, and any waiting period?/I

29 posted on 01/05/2014 7:15:47 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Born to Conserve
Where were you born?

On a small ranch in very rural Central California, in the Sacramento Valley area.

30 posted on 01/05/2014 7:18:45 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Eastern Washington State. Mostly conservative, no state income tax, I’m paying $500 tax on a house and 8 acres. Plus, it’s beautiful.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 7:19:52 PM PST by gunner03
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To: Utilizer

http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/retirement/T006-S001-10-most-tax-friendly-states-for-retirees/index.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=slideshow


32 posted on 01/05/2014 7:29:37 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Utilizer
Firearms: You can walk into any Cabela's, Gander Mountain, whatever, pay for your firearm and walk out the same day as long as you pass the mandatory federal test or don't have some court order prohibiting ownership. No registration requirement. Philadelphia tried to impose one, but got slapped down by the state legislature. There is a very strong 2nd Amendment culture here and gun stores galore. The NRA held a recent national convention in Pittsburgh.

License: Probably better check it out with Penndot here: http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/new_residents/driver_license.shtml

At worst, if they won't accept your alternative documents and you drive regularly, you'd probably have no problem passing the test here, though we do have the b***s*** requirement of a physical.

33 posted on 01/05/2014 7:40:01 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Utilizer

Cali is demanding a BC to renew?

I am renewing and all they asked for is a written test and eyeball inspection.

Why do you rate being required to provide, again, that which you already orovided?


34 posted on 01/05/2014 8:09:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Utilizer

Bama.... and cost of living is still relative cheap. Have all terrain to choose from, beaches to mountains to flat lands.


35 posted on 01/05/2014 8:15:21 PM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Utilizer

” By the time I travel in the spring (April or thereabouts) the licence I had in the past will have expired.”

It sounds like you are in CA — if you still have a valid license, it is quite likely they will just send you a form where you can renew your license via mail, a couple of months prior to expiration of your previous license, you send in the form and the fee and they mail you the driver’s license.

“California has tightened up its requirements (unless you are an Illegal, apparently) and is now demanding a Birth Certificate and one more form of ID such as a valid SSN and proof of residence.” — this does not sound right at all — one would think you can just show your old driver’s license, but why let it expire and try to get a new one elsewhere, when it is always easier to just renew it.

I am sure you can find the website yourself, but I looked it up. It says you can apply for a renewal 60 days prior to its expiration:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#renewbymail


36 posted on 01/05/2014 8:22:58 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Utilizer

There are a lot of ways to get a passport without a BC, but the trick will be avoiding lawyer fees. I’d hit the local state representatives for where you were born, and where you live now. Hopefully one is democrat, and the other is republican, and you can play them off each other. Going to the local tv station can also help invigorate the reps.

Find any old school, church, or hospital records, and get them certified — any “public records”. Find any people that were around when you were born and remember, and get their affidavits. Whoever makes decisions will put a lot of weight on how much effort you have applied. Even records and affidavits that aren’t technically good enough will bear weight.

Good luck.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 8:27:03 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Utilizer
I suggest that you do some research here: http://freedominthe50states.org/
38 posted on 01/05/2014 8:29:19 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Utilizer

Can’t you renew your license now instead of waiting?


39 posted on 01/05/2014 8:49:59 PM PST by Technical Editor
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To: Utilizer

“one of the triggers appears to be a heat sensitivity. “

In that case N California is still your best bet for the climate you need.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 8:50:18 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Vendome
Why do you rate being required to provide, again, that which you already orovided?

From what I remember, when I went in the DL had already expired (I apparently went in on the day or very soon after it expired) and was no longer valid, therefore I had to apply for a new one. They first asked if I had the old license, which I dutifully handed over, then they in return handed over a form to fill out and told Me I would need a BC along with the properly filled-out form for a new license.

Why would I need a BC? Because the old license was expired and I had to apply for a new one.

"What? Why do I have to provide a birth certificate when I already had a driver's license issued from way back then?"

"The laws have changed. You have to provide CURRENT proof of identity before you can be issued a new license."

"But I already proved who I am -you just now took the license."

"It's expired."

"But it proves who I am!"

"It's expired. It's no longer valid."

"But you can verify just by the picture!"

"It's an expired license, which means it is no longer valid to use."

"What about a simple ID then?"

"It's expired, which means you can no longer use it for driving or identification purposes. You can apply for a California ID, but you still need a birth certificate, passport, or other form of ID before we can issue you one. However, it is the holidays so our system will probably not be completely updated until the holidays are past, so you should probably get your documentation in here as soon as they are over."

"Then just give the old one back until then."

"It's expired, and no longer valid."

...

I walked out before I got into much more trouble than I thought would be healthy... !

41 posted on 01/05/2014 8:50:30 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Innovative
— if you still have a valid license, it is quite likely they will just send you a form where you can renew your license via mail, a couple of months prior to expiration of your previous license, you send in the form and the fee and they mail you the driver’s license.

See in post #41...

42 posted on 01/05/2014 8:52:35 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Technical Editor

It had already expired by the time I went in to get it renewed, so I had to apply for a new one. See post in #41...


43 posted on 01/05/2014 8:54:05 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Yes, I noticed it later...


44 posted on 01/05/2014 8:56:07 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
In that case N California is still your best bet for the climate you need.

Climate, yes, most probably. The ability to purchase firearms? No. See previous about dealers refusing to sell to Californians, not to mention mandatory registration along with a 'wait period'. However, I am not a convicted felon so that is a plus. So far...

45 posted on 01/05/2014 8:56:49 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Born to Conserve
Find any old school, church, or hospital records, and get them certified — any “public records”. Find any people that were around when you were born and remember, and get their affidavits. Whoever makes decisions will put a lot of weight on how much effort you have applied. Even records and affidavits that aren’t technically good enough will bear weight.

Thank you very much for the suggestions. Without going into too much detail, I was born out of wedlock and the parents separated soon after. Back in those days, that was a sin and mum had to move out of the area... let's just say that the father's side of the family was not exactly inclined to admit the existance of an illegitimate offspring back then.

Further, proving the existance of someone from that time, with records that were lost years ago (county courthouses in that area were commonly made of wood from years before, sadly) is not going to be easy, and even affidavits from people I knew from years past are generally not accepted at the local DMV for identification purposes. I've tried several other ways in the past for different purposes to no avail.

46 posted on 01/05/2014 9:12:43 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Rodamala

Thank you very much. Saved for later research.


47 posted on 01/05/2014 9:14:10 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Innovative

Oh, I should add: if I am going to be required to apply for a new DL, I might as well do it in a state that will no longer have Firearms Dealers refusing to sell because of where I live. I might as well change residences now while I am required to undergo the documentation challenges, and physically relocate if these ridiculous “registration” requirements are not immediately repealed as invalid law.


48 posted on 01/05/2014 9:17:01 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
Are you saying that your Birth Certificate was never registered at the county court house or at the hospital ?

Can you be more specific on medical conditions?

My first thoughts are always stay within a tank of gas to relatives.
Other than that for dry climate, I suggest higher altitudes in Texas probably in the pan handle, or the Rockies close to Santa Fe, NM, but I don't know about their taxes in NM.
Next would be the Appalachian Trail and high altitudes, maybe Hancock, WV, or close to the Appalachian Trail in West Virginia at Harpers Ferry.
49 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:20 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Utilizer

Weirdo A-holes..


50 posted on 01/05/2014 9:24:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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