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A Schism in the Atheist Church
Instablog ^ | 1/6/2014 | LISA DE PASQUALE

Posted on 01/06/2014 4:32:13 PM PST by markomalley

It didn't take long for the "atheist church" to succumb to in-fighting.  It seems they can't even agree on whether to use the word "atheism."  From CNN:

The world’s most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.

So popular was the premise, so bright the promise, that soon the Sunday Assembly was ready to franchise, branching out into cities such as New York, Dublin and Melbourne.

“It’s a way to scale goodness,” declared Sanderson Jones, a standup comic and co-founder of The Sunday Assembly, which calls itself a “godless congregation.”

But nearly as quickly as the Assembly spread, it split, with New York City emerging as organized atheism’s Avignon.

In October, three former members of Sunday Assembly NYC announced the formation of a breakaway group called Godless Revival.


(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Religion; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheistchurch

1 posted on 01/06/2014 4:32:13 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Is it okay to laugh at the irony?


2 posted on 01/06/2014 4:33:40 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: markomalley

Is this satire?


3 posted on 01/06/2014 4:35:18 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: markomalley

Buddhists have been in operation for a long time.

They are essentially an atheist church.

They are not an anti-theist church.

The Buddha is reputed to have said “The things of G-d are unknown, and unknowable, so why argue?”


4 posted on 01/06/2014 4:37:34 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: trisham

There will soon be Eastern Orthodox Atheists and Protestant Atheists

“I don’t believe in God more than you”

“Oh yeah? You just capitalized God, you Bible thumper!”

“Oh, it’s on!”


5 posted on 01/06/2014 4:37:54 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: donmeaker

OK.. so then what the bleeding crap is the point of Buddhism?


6 posted on 01/06/2014 4:38:43 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

LOL!


7 posted on 01/06/2014 4:39:49 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Church of the Utterly Unredeemable


8 posted on 01/06/2014 4:44:48 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

The point is to help sentient beings avoid suffering.


9 posted on 01/06/2014 4:45:31 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: GeronL

:)


10 posted on 01/06/2014 4:47:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: donmeaker

lol

Believing in God is not suffering


11 posted on 01/06/2014 4:47:26 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I am happy for you.


12 posted on 01/06/2014 4:49:53 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: markomalley

Wouldn’t it be simpler for them to just join the CoE?


13 posted on 01/06/2014 4:51:10 PM PST by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: markomalley

The Church of the Most Holy Unbeliever.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 4:59:01 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: markomalley
The Protestants have some 30,000-40,000 different denominations. It's no surprise that the atheists have continuity issues. They weren't founded by Christ EITHER.
15 posted on 01/06/2014 5:07:11 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: donmeaker
Buddhists have been in operation for a long time.
They are essentially an atheist church.
They are not an anti-theist church.
The Buddha is reputed to have said “The things of G-d are unknown, and unknowable, so why argue?”

Buddha, Sidhartha Gautama, himself kept denying his divinity but that was ignored.
A "church" is God's house so "Buddha" and "church" haven't anything to do with each other.

But I like your quote from him. There was no writing at the time of Buddha, so ALL his sayings were from an ORAL tradition. Nothing wrong with that but WRITTEN traditions are often in error so I imagine that many of the Enlightened One's sayings are...non-traditional.

16 posted on 01/06/2014 5:13:47 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: rhinohunter

Very good.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 5:18:04 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: cloudmountain

Instead of ‘church’ perhaps a better word would be ‘sect’.

There seems to be debate as to whether Buddhism should count as a religion, because religion seems to involve (for some definitions) belief in some superhuman class of beings, or in the case of atheism, non-belief.

Buddhism seeks to avoid the consideration of superhuman beings.

No doubt there are many errors in the teachings, but a lot of Buddhism seems to be created long after Buddha because it works. Northern School practices, such as meditation, perhaps are in this category.

There is a story about an airborne soldier who was really afraid to jump. His sergeant took pity on him, and told him that if his main didn’t open to use his reserve. The soldier was still scared. The Sergeant said, if the reserve doesn’t open, then say “Buddha, Buddha, Buddha”.

The soldier said, “Sergeant, I can’t do that, I am a Baptist!”

The Sergeant said, I told you what to do, so be brave and do as you have been trained.

So the airborne soldier jumped. As luck would have it, his main chute didn’t open. He pulled his reserve, and that cigarette rolled and the ground was coming up very quickly.

The soldier remembered! “Buddha, Buddha, Buddha!” A great hand came out of a cloud and he landed softly on it. He was slowly lowered to the ground. The soldier was greatful but startled. “Jesus Christ!” he exclaimed.

The hand rolled over and slammed him into the ground....


18 posted on 01/06/2014 5:30:15 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: markomalley
Schism in the atheist church is the theme of the most hysterical South Park episode ever to air.

Mrs. Garrison's explanation of evolution is the funniest 60 seconds of television I have ever seen.

19 posted on 01/06/2014 5:34:10 PM PST by Castlebar
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To: donmeaker
No doubt there are many errors in the teachings, but a lot of Buddhism seems to be created long after Buddha because it works. Northern School practices, such as meditation, perhaps are in this category.

That was EXACTLY the problem with Buddhism. It was taken on by others immediately and warped into 10001 different things until it is ALmost gobbly-de-gook.
It really doesn't work as well as the God-faith just because worship HAS to be to a God, not a man, especially a man who was ADAMANT that he was not God or a god.

Talking about meditation in the same breath ALWAYS happens and, really Buddha and meditation have NOTHING to do with each other. Humans have been meditating without a Buddha ever since there have been humans so the two shouldn't be linked at all.

I taught yoga for years and had to quash so many myths and legends about Buddha, Hinduism and meditation. Buddha WAS Indian but the faith NEVER made it in India. The Indians have their own pantheon of gods and goddesses, some human, some animal, some objects and some mixtures of any of those. There are ABOUT 330 MILLION deities in Hinduism. Buddha was only ONE little god...and not the most important one either.

20 posted on 01/06/2014 5:40:05 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

One difference is in yoga, one should not meditate while defecating, whereas in Buddhism, one should continue to medidate even if one has to defecate.

Meditation is one of a number of practices absorbed by Buddhism from Brahmism. There seems to be a different goal for the meditation.


21 posted on 01/06/2014 6:00:29 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: donmeaker

The point is to be one with everything.


22 posted on 01/06/2014 6:03:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (A Buddhist goes over to a hot-dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Buddhist goes to Pizza Parlour:

“Make me One, with Everything!”


23 posted on 01/06/2014 6:05:01 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: donmeaker
1. One difference is in yoga, one should not meditate while defecating, whereas in Buddhism, one should continue to medidate even if one has to defecate.
2. Meditation is one of a number of practices absorbed by Buddhism from Brahmism. There seems to be a different goal for the meditation.

1. Good Lord, that is SO India, yoga and Buddha!

2. Yes, so I read. But I do think that meditation was world wide. The American Indians mediated...with the help of their "funny" smoke.
I think many cultures' "wise" men and women did that...with help from funny fumes, wacky weeds and mystic mushrooms. Those were the tools of their trade.

24 posted on 01/06/2014 6:05:46 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: donmeaker

;o)


25 posted on 01/06/2014 6:07:26 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: cloudmountain

John Allegro wrote that the Gospel of Mark was an esoteric book that explained how to use Aminita Muscaria (fly agaric) mushrooms in support of mystic practices.

“The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross”.

He asserted that the uninitiated bought the cover story and created Christianity. If so, there would be a lot less kick to the communion wafers than originally.


26 posted on 01/06/2014 6:09:24 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I will be here all night! Try the veal!


27 posted on 01/06/2014 6:10:05 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The point is to be one with everything.

Even with Ethel Merman, Rosie O'Donnell and Roseanne Barr?
Nooooooooooooooooo!

28 posted on 01/06/2014 6:11:59 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: markomalley
"I don't believe in God."

"Great, well, I don't believe in God either."

"Yeah, but I don't believe in God BETTER than you!"

"Fight's on!"

Christians have their doctrinal differences, to be sure - oh, well, there was the Thirty Years' War thingy - but it's hard to grasp a doctrine consisting of non-belief coming into conflict with another. Perhaps it's a matter of "We don't believe in God and you should stir your tea clockwise" coming into conflict with "We don't believe in God and you should stir your tea counter-clockwise", but I'm more inclined to suspect the real doctrinal difference is between "We don't believe in God and you should send us money" and "We don't believe in God and you should send us money." That isn't exactly Luther's theses on the door but for this degenerate age it'll do.

29 posted on 01/06/2014 6:17:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: donmeaker
Buddhist goes to Pizza Parlour

“Make me One, with Everything!”

The guy at the counter says, "Okay, that'll be $15." Buddha hands him a $20, which the cashier puts into the till.

After a few minutes, Buddha finally asks, "Where is my change?"

The cashier smiles and says, "Change must come from within."

30 posted on 01/06/2014 7:18:50 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: markomalley
Do you want coffee without cream or coffee without milk?
That's a tough one.

31 posted on 01/06/2014 7:34:34 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: markomalley

Children playing at things they can not understand..


32 posted on 01/06/2014 7:48:03 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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