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Officer Shoots and Kills Teen With Schizophrenia: “We don’t have time for this”
Freedom Outpost ^ | January 6, 2014 | Lily Dane

Posted on 01/07/2014 7:46:39 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A North Carolina family is mourning the loss of their 18 year old son after he was shot and killed by a police officer.

Mark Wilsey called 911 for police assistance with his son Keith, who was having a schizophrenic incident and threatened his mother with a small screwdriver.

Wilsey said two police officers showed up and were able to subdue Keith, but the arrival of a third officer caused the teen to become agitated, and the officers used a Taser on him.

Wilsey told WECT that officers had his son down on the ground after the teen was tased a few times and an officer said, “We don’t have time for this.”

That’s when Wilsey says one of the officers stepped between the two who were holding Keith down and fired, killing his son:

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1 posted on 01/07/2014 7:46:39 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If true, then this is nothing short of murder.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 7:48:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
there are few situations anymore that can't be made worse by calling the police...
3 posted on 01/07/2014 7:49:56 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You are quit correct.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 7:50:15 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Those cops are FUBAR bigtime.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 7:50:51 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom. Period.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Do you have a feeling this story will be disputed, vigorously?

Certainly, a tragedy.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 7:51:20 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Chode

We need the names of all the cops involved.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 7:52:04 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bump


8 posted on 01/07/2014 7:55:28 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If this is true those cops are cold blooded murderers


9 posted on 01/07/2014 7:55:28 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ok, this is plain murder- is the officer being charged?


10 posted on 01/07/2014 7:55:53 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They’ll all be promoted soon.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 7:57:15 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Surely this did not really happen! If so, this officer should be in jail for life. There must be information missing here! I can’t believe that any Police Officer would even think about doing this much less killing an innocent victim. Either we have a horrible Police Officer here or we have some major problem about what actually happened!


12 posted on 01/07/2014 7:58:13 PM PST by Deagle (ues)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wilsui says everything was under control until a third officer arrived, and the situation took a dramatic turn.

“Murder. They murdered our son for no reason,” Wilsui said. “Everything was going good, then this fat cop from Southport walks in the room, walks around the corner, says, ‘we don’t have time for this. Tase that kid now, let’s get him out of here.’”

Wilsui says like any teenage boy, his son tried to run when he heard the word tase.

“The tasers hit him, he fell back. Two officers were on top of him. You know, he’s got the little screwdriver. I mean, I would have went and got the screwdriver from him. I went to help, and I hear a shot,” Wilsui explained.

Wilsui says he grabbed the officer so he could not shoot again.

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2014/01/05/father-says-his-18-year-old-son-was-murdered-southport-police-officer


13 posted on 01/07/2014 7:58:13 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Lurker


14 posted on 01/07/2014 7:59:19 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If this story has been correctly reported then this is nothing short of cold blooded murder.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 8:00:32 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: wastedyears
They’ll all be promoted soon.

They'll probably get desk jobs as "efficiency experts".

16 posted on 01/07/2014 8:00:35 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

For what it’s worth....

“The Boiling Spring Lakes Police Chief has cleared his officers of any wrong doing at the scene. Chief Brad Shirley says an internal review shows his officers did not break any laws. They responded to help Keith Vidal’s family, during what they called a schizophrenic episode. Ultimately, Vidal was shot and killed.”

“Seventy seconds later, Unit 104 radioed out that he had to fire shots at the subject in order to defend himself.”

http://www.wect.com/story/24367610/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-boiling-spring-lakes

They aren’t really saying what happened yet, but that’s pretty typical when lawsuits get involved.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 8:01:31 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Two of three officers cleared.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/07/22219802-two-of-three-officers-cleared-in-fatal-shooting-of-mentally-ill-nc-teenager

The other has lawyered up

http://www.wect.com/story/24367610/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-boiling-spring-lakes


18 posted on 01/07/2014 8:01:41 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: kcvl

Contradiction in story right there.

Not that it justifies the shooting, but casts doubt on what happened in total.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 8:02:54 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Lurker

Until all facts are out, you have to reserve judgment.

I got an official email about a Florida trooper that chased two black youth (yeah internal emails don’t pc). One stopped and got off a lucky shot with a .22 hitting the officer in the face. He returned fire killing the youth (23 year old).

His mom cried to the media that the officer should have shot him in the knee! Really? She never mentioned the officer being shot in the face and being in the hospital. The “youth” had multiple arrests and incidents.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 8:10:07 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: kcvl

“Wilsui says he grabbed the officer so he could not shoot again.”

Lucky he didn’t get his ass blown off too.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 8:18:06 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

22 posted on 01/07/2014 8:18:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I agree with the cops.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 8:21:22 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

What do you agree with them on?


24 posted on 01/07/2014 8:25:09 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The parents called police because the son was attacking his mother with a screwdriver. Now the parents are saying it was a tiny screwdriver and the kid wasn’t a danger to anyone. So why did they call police for help?


25 posted on 01/07/2014 8:26:10 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Beowulf9

You must be one hell of a troll, since you’ve lasted nearly 10 years.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 8:32:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Chode

“there are few situations anymore that can’t be made worse by calling the police... “

The fact that the police show up is not necessarily a good thing. And they aren’t there to make sure the “good” guys are okay and that the “bad” guys are dealt with. They are there to write citations, exact financial penalties, exert force, and, write a report. And, don’t expect that report to be accurate or honest either.

I use to be a law-and-order “back the Blue” kinda guy. But, what LEO do today is not necessarily about making things right.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 8:33:07 PM PST by FAA
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I don’t believe it.

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28 posted on 01/07/2014 8:35:55 PM PST by Mears
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To: JoeDetweiler
he had to fire shots at the subject in order to defend himself

Three cops and the boy's father there to subdue the boy. And the cop felt threatened? I'm not buying that at all.

29 posted on 01/07/2014 8:45:24 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Read whole article. Kid was 90lbs. So we had a kid TWO parents could not subdue. Took 2 cops to pin him down and he was still “agitated”. Sounds wildly uncontrollable AND homicidal to me. NO ONE who is pinned to the ground should be shot NO ONE. The cop was wrong if that was the situation and its murder BUT there are details we aren`t getting and I`m imagining how dangerous an bat s**t crazy a 90lb “kid” is if his own parents need cops to stop a violent “incident”. Thank God he didn`t kill hos parents or anyone else. We need institutions NOW!


30 posted on 01/07/2014 9:04:06 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

“HIS” parents...not HO`s. Oy, I hate tiny phone keypads.


31 posted on 01/07/2014 9:08:53 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This happens too often. Maybe families of people who have psychotic episodes should be able to obtain non-lethal methods of subduing them.

Better to tase and cuff your own child than to call in the police. And this mother had tried to get help for her son, and the mental health system has gone to s-—.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 9:37:05 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The days of Dragnet like cops are long gone.

Today’s cops are straight out Union thugs and often murderers are rapists.


33 posted on 01/07/2014 10:07:55 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The days of Dragnet like cops are long gone.

Today’s cops are straight out Union thugs and often murderers and rapists.


34 posted on 01/07/2014 10:08:40 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They shot him with schizophrenia???

I’m stoopit

And bi-polar


35 posted on 01/07/2014 11:04:31 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: FAA
"I use to be a law-and-order “back the Blue” kinda guy. But, what LEO do today is not necessarily about making things right."

It took me a lifetime to learn this as well. I am sure there are some exceptions but generallly the police are part of "the state" AKA "the enemy within".

the governments of this nation have become an enemy of the people so I lean towards believing this story

36 posted on 01/07/2014 11:08:06 PM PST by KTM rider
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To: JoeDetweiler
From your link (bold mine):

According to the report, the first unit on scene was a Boiling Spring Lakes officer who arrived at 12:34 p.m. He was joined shortly after by two additional BSL officers and a Brunswick County Sheriff's Deputy.

The first unit on scene reported a confrontation in the hallway, but told Brunswick County Dispatchers several times that everything was OK.

Unit 104 from Southport arrived on the scene at 12:48:41, fourteen minutes after the first officer had already been on scene.

Seventy seconds later, Unit 104 radioed out that he had to fire shots at the subject in order to defend himself.

Not encouraging.
37 posted on 01/08/2014 12:50:39 AM PST by the808bass ( I am the rodeo clown for your pain.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
At certain angles, depending on the light, a small screwdriver can look just like an Uzi.

Or so I hear down at the F.O.P. Lodge.

38 posted on 01/08/2014 1:16:56 AM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: FAA
100%
39 posted on 01/08/2014 4:37:55 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is typical for schizophrenics who are not-medicated, except the being shot part.


40 posted on 01/08/2014 5:53:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: heartwood

There you have it. Who among us has seen a seriously mentally ill/psychotic individual having an ‘episode’? Ever see the specials on TV about such children, being committed over and over for short periods only to return to their tortured parents and terrorize the house again? Parade Magazine had a cover story, not long ago, and buried in the article was glancing mention of the boy having attacked his father. The man needed hospitalization.They took him home again and ‘hoped’ he wouldn’t do it again.
People like this are stuck in this loop forever-until a tragedy ends it. The mental patient kills someone ( Newton) and they end up institutionalized or dead. Why CAN’T parents who are determined( or forced by lack of institutions) to keep their offspring be afforded legal permission to control the mental patient without fear of ‘abuse’ charges?
I do not believe the father in this case COULD NOT have stopped his son. He was unwilling to exert the violence necessary to stop him- so he called the police to take physical control of the situation.They did. Did he think they could intimidate or talk to him, or use force?

Now-if it took PHYSICAL ATTACK to stop this 90 pound schizophrenic wouldn’t it have been better for the father to employ defensive violence? I’m assuming he loved his son and would not have gone so far as to kill him. He might have had to, to protect his wife. I hope he wouldn’t have been charged with murder had that happened. He shouldn’t have been charged with cruelty if he had to physically injure his son either.
If fear of charges stops parents like this from doing what is necessary, that fear should be removed.
No parent who loves their child-insane or not-will willingly hurt them; but if the danger posed by such a child is overcome by defense of themselves or someone else,and fear of the law becomes a factor, calling officers of that law in to deal with it can end like this. They will employ the violence instead-and in some cases much more violence than the parent was willing to use.


41 posted on 01/08/2014 7:00:10 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: kcvl

It very well could be that this cop was overarching. But we’re getting 1-sided stories (as always). And then we’ll have people bellyaching that the cops’ testimony doesn’t count. What do the original 2 cops think? What is there story, and do they think the 3rd was excessive?

I agree on the surface a gun vs. Screwdriver seems uneven, but maybe something else was happening.

I admit too that it seems if the guy was already down with 2 cops that it was probably unnecessary.


42 posted on 01/08/2014 7:13:28 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: FAA
They are there to write citations, exact financial penalties, exert force, and, write a report. And, don’t expect that report to be accurate or honest either.

I once was robbed on the street at gunpoint in the middle of the morning in downtown Philly. The arriving officers asked for a description. In addition to race, height, weight, age, type of weapon and the fact that he had about four white hairs in his black mustache, I said he was wearing a medium turquoise polo shirt with a thin white horizontal stripe.

Apparently this last was too much information. They radioed out "red white and blue striped shirt." When I told them that was a misleading description of the shirt, they shrugged, did nothing to correct the radio report, and took me for a ride around the projects to see if I could see him on the street. That ride scared me almost more than the mugging.

43 posted on 01/08/2014 8:59:04 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: ClearBlueSky
I do not believe the father in this case COULD NOT have stopped his son. He was unwilling to exert the violence necessary to stop him- so he called the police to take physical control of the situation.

It's a conundrum. The kid had just turned 18. What if he got bruised by his dad, then called police later and told them his father had assaulted him?

The mother, in a video on another thread, said the local police had been there a few times to help them, that they were very helpful on that day, that they had the situation under control -- she praised them and expressed gratitude -- but then this other cop who didn't know them or the boy arrived from another district and shot the kid -- the father said within seconds of arriving. The news report said 70 seconds from radioing in to say he was arriving at the scene to radioing in that he had shot "in self-defense."

44 posted on 01/08/2014 9:05:55 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Screwdriver seems uneven, but maybe something else was happening. I admit too that it seems if the guy was already down with 2 cops that it was probably unnecessary.

And they were in a narrow front hallway of the house.

45 posted on 01/08/2014 9:08:04 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wow, thats hard to read about. I thinks its called 1st degree murder.


46 posted on 01/08/2014 9:29:12 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

2nd. He didn’t know this person and wasn’t planning it out ahead of time.


47 posted on 01/08/2014 9:57:20 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

I am a EMT and I have had a number of mentally ill patients where the police had to use force or threat of force to subdue the patient or compel him to go to the hospital.

I have nothing but praise for our local police department in the cases I have seen. They have been patient, firm, low-key, and professional, and have always managed to defuse the situation rather than escalate it. Even when the country SWAT came in, they spent four hours talking down a patient with a knife. There are very good police departments in the country, and good police officers and I count us very fortunate to have them here.

But I read about other places where things like this happen and I shiver.

A few years back my boss and her husband were killed by their schizophrenic son. He had been violent in the past and they could not get him committed for more than a very short time to stabilize him, and then he was out and unstable again. I don’t know if something like a stun gun always on their persons would have helped but it would have given them a chance.


48 posted on 01/08/2014 9:57:42 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Albion Wilde

I agree that it sounds like the cop that shot did so unnecessarily. The police were regular visitors and ‘know’ the situation? Sounds like cops were expected to, regularly, do what mental institutions should. That shouldn’t be their job.
How insane is it to say that the mental patient has to violently assault someone before preventative measures are taken? IMO- if one has a documented mental patient in their home there should be NO, NO way they can be prosecuted for protecting themselves. Laws allowing self-defense apply in every other case, why not with mental patients-ESPECIALLY with mental patients. Is martyrdom now a requirement?


49 posted on 01/08/2014 10:07:36 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: heartwood

My nephew is a paramedic for the city of New Orleans. I have heard graphic detail of more horror stories than I could have ever imagined. He has been bitten(requiring AIDS tests and innoculations), spat upon, puked on and wrestled with. He’s a big guy and he is expected to ‘help’ people who fight him. There are mental patients galore who are like wild people. Restraints don’t always work. Just last year a teen mental patient was being transported to a medical appointment, and he was put in a ‘regular’ car, so as not to make him ‘feel different’. He jumped out of the car on the interstate and was hit and killed by a truck. I guess he ‘felt normal’ right up till impact, and that’s what matters.
New Orleans is full of mental patients, add 24 hour booze to the mix and calls like this are normal here. The cops and EMT’s are acting as psychiatric workers. It’s hard to have pity and patience when viscious, biting,kicking out-of-control people can fight off three big men. There should be a way to restrain them that protects the law officers and medical personnel. A net gun that can trap and immobilize wild animals comes to mind.They could then be scooped up, screaming and kicking in the net, to be plopped in a secure vehicle. Hand to hand with a mental patient NEVER ends well, and it should be unnecessary.

These mental patients are being protected by a society they are damaging. Your boss and his wife are dead...where is the son now? Institutionalized or being ‘cared for’ by some foster family? If he had been in a professionally controlled environment, his parents wouldn’t be dead. Same for the Newton shooter. To protect HIS rights, all those children are dead.
If I had a child I knew to be dangerous to myself or others, I WOULD find a facility, or-at the very least- make a room in my home into one! Restraints are better than death-theirs or mine.
These things happen because too many parents, and others, think that TREATING schizophrenics normally will MAKE them normal. They are self-deluded, right up to the time the individual is killing them, or they see the violence needed to stop them.


50 posted on 01/08/2014 10:28:02 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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