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Hannibal Crosses The Carpathians

Posted on 01/08/2014 12:16:33 AM PST by lbryce


Hannibal Crosses The Carpathians

When did Hannibal cross the alps?
According to http://carpenoctem.tv/military/hannibal.html it was in 218 B.C.

Why did Hannibal take elephants to cross the alps?
Hannibal took elephants across the Alps as weapons of war against the Romans.

How many men crossed the alps with Hannibal?
50,000 infantry, 9,000 cavalry, and about 30 elephants when he first began the ascent.

How many elephants did Hannibal have before he crossed the alps?
Fifty


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History
KEYWORDS: elephants; frogs; godsgravesglyphs; hannibal; stagbeetle; stinkbeetles

1 posted on 01/08/2014 12:16:33 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

The elephants were more of a scare tactic than anything else.

When you consider what it takes to feed an elephant daily, and the fact that they just aren’t mountain-climbers....this was mostly a stupid idea. If you notice....no one after this event....ever tries to use elephants as a military threat again. I think they kinda learned a lesson from the episode.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 12:42:10 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: lbryce
HANNIBAL - THE RISE AND FALL
3 posted on 01/08/2014 12:42:13 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: lbryce

Stinkbeetle?

Huh?


4 posted on 01/08/2014 12:53:57 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: pepsionice

What did the Romans say when they saw Hannibal and his elephants?
Answer: ‘Here come Hannibal and his elephants!’
From: 101 Elephant Jokes


5 posted on 01/08/2014 1:07:32 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: canuck_conservative

You're right. I misread the name. It's called a Stag Beetle. My apologies.

6 posted on 01/08/2014 1:17:19 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: ArtDodger

And that’s how they defeated. They laughed so hard they were easily disarmed, killed, taken prisoner.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 1:19:45 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

Q-Why did Hannibal cross the Alps?

A-To get to the other side of course!

Sorry, couldn’t help it.

Interesting article.

There are several decent looking documentaries on the subject at YouTube. All are 45 mins or longer:

The True Story of HANNIBAL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJrShQRh8Ns

HANNIBAL - THE RISE AND FALL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPkHytuyKQ

HANNIBAL: The Man, The Myth, The Mystery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQgvvNvOvA

HANNIBAL - CARTHAGE vs ROME:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpIulQs807s


8 posted on 01/08/2014 1:25:50 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: lbryce

9 posted on 01/08/2014 1:27:29 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: All

10 posted on 01/08/2014 2:20:27 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: ArtDodger

Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants, but none of the offspring surived.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 3:53:48 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: lbryce

Whatever happened to the Hannibal movie with Vin Diesel as the lead? Didn’t care for the casting, but I still would see it nonetheless.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 4:16:36 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: cld51860
There isn't any news about Vin Diesel's Hannibal project that is less than a year old. This article is about a year old and have found nothing else updated since. So, it doesn't seem like anything's ever going to pan out. I'm afraid.

Is Vin Diesel’s HANNIBAL THE CONQUEROR Trilogy Finally Moving Forward?

13 posted on 01/08/2014 4:43:22 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: cld51860
The producers, all "gaga" over the hype following after "The 300," finally read the history, discovered Hannibal was defeated.

Carthago delenda est

14 posted on 01/08/2014 5:04:36 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: pepsionice

Elephants were used successfully in India and SE Asia up until the end of the 19th century. They even mounted cannon on them and used them as mobile artillery.


15 posted on 01/08/2014 5:05:31 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Big Mack

“Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants, but none of the offspring survived.”

Yeah, travel is tough on a relationship...

On Hollywood Squares:
Peter Marshall: Which has a longer gestation period, your average woman or your average elephant?
George Gobel: How do you know about my elephant?


16 posted on 01/08/2014 5:08:12 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: Hugin

Note: Hannibal used African Elephants—somehow they learned to domesticate them. The modern world has forgotten this. If the African Elephants could be domesticated like the Indian/Asian they might be used to help Africa and not seen as tings to kill for ivory. Elephants are good against cavalry. Horses hate them and will not ride against them. Elephants were the Tiger Tanks of the Ancient World and gave the Romans fits for a while.


17 posted on 01/08/2014 5:11:25 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Prospero
Obama, his Socialist lapdogs, Muslim Brotherhood lackeys, the Democratic leadership, delenda est.
18 posted on 01/08/2014 5:42:20 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: pepsionice

G. Julius Caesar fought war elephants at the Battle of Thapsus 6 April 46 BC.


19 posted on 01/08/2014 5:56:14 AM PST by bagman
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To: pepsionice

Incorrect - Carthage continued their use through the end of the 3rd punic war, Armies of the the Indian subcontinent including the Burmese used through the 19th century (AD), last combat is typically attributed to the Vietnamese and siamese used them in the late 1880s/90s as cannons had increasingly made them less advantageous.

They were used for non-combat roles in WWII and were imperative in the retreat from Burma by the British.

From Wikipedia: “They are classed as a pack animal in a U.S. Special Forces field manual issued as recently as 2004, but their use by US personnel is discouraged because elephants are an endangered species.[56] The last recorded use of elephants in war occurred in 1987 when Iraq was alleged to have used them to transport heavy weaponry for use in Kirkuk.”


20 posted on 01/08/2014 9:07:39 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Prospero

It never occurred to me that would have factored in. But it does make sense. Too bad though. Even a tale of defeat can hold many stories of individual valor and heroism. I wrote a screenplay years ago on Operation Tidal Wave, the low-level B-24 attack on the oil fields of Ploesti. Not a military success, but the individual true stories of heroism were incredible.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 11:23:26 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: cld51860

Th movie at first did generate a lot of interest, I suppose the sight of 50 Asian elephants, huge fighting force, support personnel trekking through the nearly impenetrable Alps, made for some spectacular movie making. And while I agree with you regarding your take on the perspective of heroism and bravery from any point of view, they probably didn’t want to take a chance on a movie where the central character doesn’t survive.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 12:05:49 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: Big Mack

lol!


23 posted on 01/08/2014 3:28:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: pepsionice; Hugin; bagman; reed13k; ArtDodger

Elephants were used analogous to the way tanks are used today, or more like they were used in WWII. The practice of using African elephants for this *may* have arisen as a consequence of Greek experience of their use in India, where the elephant has been used for over 2000 years to do the jobs done nowadays by backhoes, forklifts, and the like. Alexander the Great won a battle in India, having innovated a method of coping with the battle elephants, after improvising a mass-crossing of a river.

Hannibal got his elephants up *to* the Alps after having to cross rivers with them; the method said to have been used was to build large (for stability) rafts, and covering the tops with cut sod, so the elephants would go out onto them. At one of these crossings, the Gauls were waiting on the opposite bank to have-at-you, but when they saw these rafts with elephants on them, they decided discretion was the better part of valor and vanished into the pucker-brush.

Elephants continued to be used in battles in n Africa for decades after this, but as usual, the Romans figured out how to cope with them. The last major Med-basin battle featuring elephants was Thapsus (as someone noted). The Romans imported elephants for their “games” and for what passed for zoos in imperial Rome, and AFAIK never much cared for their use in battle, correctly regarding them as at least as much of a threat to those using them as to those opposing them.

Not only African elephants, but also Indian elephants, were imported (by ship) for exhibition in Rome. :’)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HetYXwtCCho;t=1460


24 posted on 01/08/2014 3:45:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: lbryce; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks lbryce.

25 posted on 01/08/2014 3:46:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: lbryce
The problem was that Hannibal only managed to keep two of them alive afterward IIRC. He did manage to keep a field army on the Italian peninsula for an entire decade without losing a battle.

Back home, however, he finally did manage to lost the Big One against Scipio at Zama. The Romans learned to open spaces in their ranks for maddened elephants, who were dispensed with in the rear with weapons more suited to elephant hunting than human combat. I had a hard time finding out how, exactly, the Romans maddened them until I read Brian Caven's The Punic Wars. As well as having enormously tough hide, elephants could be armored nearly everywhere. One place that couldn't, however, Caven phrased delicately as "under the tail". Elephants poop. And so, at some point in some battle somewhere, some tough old Roman centurion said to himself, "well, nuthin' else is workin'. I think I'm gonna poke this here pilum up that there elephant's butt." The rest...is history.

26 posted on 01/08/2014 3:55:06 PM PST by Billthedrill
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