Constitutional Carry Bill Introduced in Colorado

Gun Watch ^ | 13 January, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

A bill has been introduced in the Colorado legislature for constitutional carry.  It would reform the current law to allow any legal possessor of handguns to carry them concealed with the same restrictions that apply to those in Colorado with a concealed carry permit.   The bill number is HB14-1041; the link is to a pdf file of the bill.

Wright and Holbert are sponsors of the bill in the House, Grantham in the Senate.  2014 is likely to see renewed activity in promoting constitutional carry in several states.   Currently, four states (Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming, and Vermont) have constitutional carry.  No problems have been noted with these laws.   Crime rates have continued to fall with their passage in Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming, while Vermont recognized the protection of their state constitution in the 1920's, and has had one of the lowest crime rates in the nation for decades.   Constitutional carry was the norm in most states until the early 1900's.  

Arkansas passed a law very similar to Vermont's last year.  Activists are gradually gaining ground for grudging acceptance of the law by some police and political groups in Arkansas.

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[marktwain]

This bill does not have much chance to pass this session. Only a major defeat of Democrat legislators would make that likely.

[drbuzzard]

Yeah, no way this can possibly make it this session. While I hope the Dems take a drubbing this year for what they’ve done, you never know the way CO is these days.

[Mogger]

This is how you flush out the morons.

You get them on record voting against good legislation, then publicize it during the campaign.

The Dems have been using that tactic against republicans for years.

[Tupelo]

The four states that currently Constitutional Carry all have one thing in common. A very low percentage of the population is Africanmerican. Percentages from the 2010 census via Wikipedia.

Vermont: Black 1%
Alaska: Black 3.3%
Arizona: Black 4.1%
Wyoming: Black 0.8%

Compare States and The District of Columbia with very strict gun laws.
Illinois: Black 14.5%
New York: Black 15.9%
California: Black 6.2%
Washington DC: Black 50.1%

I know it is considered racist to even think along these lines, but what I am wondering is;
Do these states (and district) have with strict gun laws have them because there is a high crime rate that goes with larger Africamerican population or because they have a large Africanmerican population and the laws were enacted as a way to control that population?
And why is California the aberration?

[DakotaGator]

Possibly it’s a mindset which can be attributed to identifiable groups. That mindset is lack of respect for the rule of law which could be tied to a deeper mindset of no obligation to our country’s founding principles or even a basic denial of responsibility for personal actions.

Democrats and liberals are infamous for their attitude of no responsibility. While liberals in particular believe inanimate objects possess morality, i.e. good electric vehicles, evil guns, etc. People such as these are adults only by virtue of age, not acceptance of personal responsibility or even behavior.

From that basis, a check of the same states for percentages of Democrats and percentages of liberals would be more in order. Then a cross-reference to racial groups would be informative.

[Red_Devil 232]

Mississippi has Open Carry of handguns, long guns or other weapon but Concealed Carry still requires a permit. A Concealed Carry permit is simple to obtain the only requirements are: you have to pass a NICS/Background Check. Be a resident of the state for at least one year. Supply a recent picture similar to a passport type picture. Be finger printed. Pay a fee of $132.

[flamberge]

And why is California the aberration?

California is not an aberration.

Gun Control laws were originally passed to disarm unpopular ethnic and racial minority groups - Blacks, Mexicans, Italians, Irish, etc.

California has always had a large Mexican population consigned to menial status. That state perfectly fits the "Strict Gun Control" pattern.

Of course California is now majority Hispanic (e.g. Mexican). It is "Anglos" who must now be disarmed in the name of "Public Safety".

[T-Bird45]

Gun Control laws were originally passed to disarm unpopular ethnic and racial minority groups - Blacks, Mexicans, Italians, Irish, etc.

If you care to check the history, you'll find the governor behind this in the 60s in CA will likely surprise you: the sainted Ron Reagan in response to the various Black Power open-carry takeover of public and university buildings.

[marktwain]

“Gun Control laws were originally passed to disarm unpopular ethnic and racial minority groups - Blacks, Mexicans, Italians, Irish, etc.

California has always had a large Mexican population consigned to menial status. That state perfectly fits the “Strict Gun Control” pattern.”

Exactly correct. It is why California is one of the very few states (including New York) that does not have a state constitutional provision protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

[marktwain]

“If you care to check the history, you’ll find the governor behind this in the 60s in CA will likely surprise you: the sainted Ron Reagan in response to the various Black Power open-carry takeover of public and university buildings.”

An example of extremely successful Alynsky tactics practiced by the Black Panthers, and overreaction by the California legislators and Ronald Reagan.

[Vaduz]

With the Mexican carte has moved into Colorado some may not try for a permit.

[drbuzzard]

Worth a shot I guess, but I cannot imagine a whole lot of people in favor of constitutional carry who are already voting for democrats.

[ought-six]

Ronald Reagan was not sworn in as governor of California until January, 1967.

Concealed carry of handguns in California without a permit became illegal in 1924. In 1967 the law was passed to prohibit carrying loaded firearms in public (though possessors of concealed carry permits still could carry loaded firearms).

I grew up in Southern California in the 1950s and 1960s. As kids we used to walk down the street with loaded .22 rifles to go hunt rabbits, shoot cans, etc. We did this until just around my junior year in high school (1967).

[ought-six]

Mexican drug cartels are firmly entrenched in Illinois, and they have a lot of influence in Chicago politics.

[Vaduz]

Here in California too the death a day state.

[flamberge]

The Mexican Cartels (and organized crime groups in general) would prefer to have nominally strict gun control laws on the books.

This keeps law-abiding citizens disarmed and incapable of resisting criminal predation.

The Cartels can always corrupt police and judges to ignore violations by their own gang members.

[jospehm20]

Mexicans?

[Vaduz]

The Cartels can always corrupt police and judges.
Indeed it appears they have dome so in many states.

[RandallFlagg]

Nothing in my local news about this. But that’s not surprising. They tend to bury these stories all the time.

[RandallFlagg]

Colorado PING!