Skip to comments.Gospodin Snowden (Is Snowden an agent for Russia?)
Posted on 01/19/2014 4:50:07 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Gospodin Snowden Posted by William A. Jacobson Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 4:45pm
How did Edward Snowden so carefully thread the needle to download a massive trove of highly secret documents from across the NSA and intelligence networks without detection?
How did he know exactly which job to go after in Hawaii to give him that access, and how was his escape so neatly orchestrated that he ends up first in Chinese controlled Hong Kong with its difficult extradition rules, and then on to Vladimir Putins arms?
He is now.
Honestly I doubt it was that hard for him to do.
It's far more likely that it was Obama who wanted to protect Snowden. Consider the following:
- Snowden leaves HK and takes a flight to Latin America. He has a layover in Moscow.
- At exactly that moment his passport gets cancelled by Obama. Why would Obama do that? It was in NSA's interest to let Snowden continue to Venezuela, or anywhere else except Russia. It would be imperative to remove him from Russian territory. Snowden would have been accessible anywhere else; even in China, if it had to come to that. But TLAs do not operate freely in Russia; Snowden is safe there. If only he made it to Caracas, he could have been just shot dead in the street, or abducted.
- Further, Obama makes several very specific moves designed to support Snowden's asylum request. Per UN rules, an applicant has to prove that his government is after him for political activity. Obama promptly gave a speech, and then they diverted an airplane of a foreign diplomat. Asylum case open and shut.
This leads us to an obvious conclusion: Obama cancelled Snowden's passport at a carefully calculated moment, to make sure he remains in Russia, away from reach of the USA. As an alternative, we can think that Obama is just so incompetent that even his mistakes are lining up in such way as to cause the most damage.
Putin is doing all he can to keep conservatives from seeing this.
Without Snowden’s actions, far fewer people would have been awakened to the reality of the police state that America has morphed into, over the past two decades, “patriot” act, et al.
“Without Snowdens actions,”
Then he should have just reported on domestic spying, rather than undermining our national security by releasing a huge amount of data that has nothing whatever to do with that, and handing it straight to our enemies in Russia, China and other anti-American countries.
“It’s far more likely that it was Obama who wanted to protect Snowden. Consider the following:”
Incredibly unlikely, considering how much damage it has done to his credibility. Though, there are those who say that Obama has always been a stooge of the Russkies.
The people who’re undermining national security are in high office in Washington.
He probably needed to throw a bone at Rissia and China, as the only entities capable of protecting him from the machinery of a rogue US government.
Yeah, because the people recording all of your phone calls, texts and emails are true patriots, loyal to their oaths to protect and defend the constitution. No...it’s the 29 year old kid who exposed all of these wholesale black letter violations of our rights who should be put against the wall and shot.
“He probably needed to throw a bone at Rissia and China”
At the expense of American security? You guys need to seriously research this stuff before saying stuff like this. You’re defending treason and espionage that puts us all in danger.
Conservatives need to remember that they’re still Americans, something I’m not sure the people on the Putin-Snowden bandwagon seem to remember.
It’s the PEOPLE magazine thinking - personalities, and inability to think of ideas. An American disease.
You think that’s all the NSA and CIA does? Do you have a problem with the CIA recording all the calls of our enemies across the seas, and keeping tabs on every country in the world, in the same way every nation does (just not publicly)?
You need a dose of realisim, and to see the big picture. There’s more at stake here than domestic spying, which, certainly, cannot be tolerated willy-nilly. But undermining our efforts againgst terrorists, letting our enemies know how we’re spying on them, and demonizing the United States within countries like Russia and China which are the worst human rights offeners in the world, is something foul and horrible, and anyone who defends that should be ashamed of themselves.
The NSA revelations throwing light on the Enemy Within was worth whatever risk, real or imagined, the “bone” caused. The Enemy Within is far more dangerous. National security is meaningless when the enemy IS the State.
Because they didn't know already.
Welcome to Free Republic.
“Because they didn’t know already.”
They already know all the CIA METHODS of how we are keeping track of them? I said “how.”
That is foul and horrible.
Your overseas adventures can pound sand.
“. The Enemy Within is far more dangerous. National security is meaningless when the enemy IS the State.”
Glad you hear you say you apparently have common cause with the Cubans, Chicoms, Russkies, North Koreans, and so on and so forth. Putting this country into danger and undermining our long term survival doesn’t put you on the side of any other group than these guys.
Our federal Constitution was designed to limit severely the power of the federal government.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Stay within the bounds of the Constitution, or face the consequences.
“Your overseas adventures can pound sand.”
You mean like the two plans that slammed into the world trade center? Was that an inside job?
Your over-reaching federal government and it's security apparatus FAILED, state boy.
Spying on Americans didn't stop it.
So let me get this straight...you're fine with them recording and storing every call you and your family makes so long as they are bugging the Russian embassy while their at it?
Do you have a problem with the CIA recording all the calls of our enemies across the seas, and keeping tabs on every country in the world, in the same way every nation does (just not publicly)?
You mean like the german chancellor? All sarcasm aside for moment, I don't care what they listen to in other countries. But here, in violation of of key restrictions in the constitution...? Yeah, I have a problem with that.
You need a dose of realisim, and to see the big picture.
I would be more than willing to let you trade your freedom for some false sense of security but you'll have to excuse my opposition to your wanting to take me and everyone else along for the ride.
“Your over-reaching federal government and it’s security apparatus FAILED, state boy.”
Can you please stop with the emotional posts. Does supporting CIA spying of terrorists and other hostile states make me a “state boy?”
How come I can’t oppose domestic spying, but totally support spying of non-citizens to keep Achmed from exploding his car into your mother’s house? What’s the problem with that? What is wrong with having a wire-tap in Vladimir Putin’s phone? Is he under the protection of the U.S. constitution?
“So let me get this straight...you’re fine with them recording and storing every call you and your family makes”
Uh, you already went off course. I never said that. So why are you accusing me of it?
“When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.”
- Winston Churchill
It's not difficult.
It's a failure.
Americans are losing rights and attacks aren't being stopped.
And you advocate harder and faster, with less lubricant.
Thanks, state boy, but no thanks.
“What you advocate DOESN’T WORK.”
Wire-tapping terrorists, all of our spying operations overseas, all of the information we gather from across the world, doesn’t work?
Or maybe you’re just making generalizations because you get your news from Alex Jones who deals in generalizations and half truths?
What exactly do you think is being accomplished?
NSA is suggesting parallel investigations to keep the courts from knowing Americans were spied on, though.
If we had had such monitoring pre 9/11 there a great chance the tragedy would never have occurred.
“Wire tapping Americans”
And who says I’m even talking about that? Did you even bother to read my posts? Did you read the article at all?
We’re not talking about domestic spying. I’m talking about all the OTHER stuff that had nothing whatever to do with it, which Snowden handed over to our enemies.
Your question at first glance seemed to say that to me. If it’s not, I’ll retract it. I’m just saying that some “good” things these agencies do doesn’t give them carte blanch to violate out rights.
We have had no devastating attack since 9/11. There has definitely been thwarting of attacks though.
And pre 9/11 we did not have an effective wiretapping program; Clinton was weak on such things. If we had had there's a very good chance 9/11 would not have happened.
After the fact, it turned out that we had a great deal of information about the 9/11 attackers. That didn't stop that attack.
Or the Cole attack, where we also (after the fact) found that we had information, or the Boston attack, where the new 'capture every text message' monitoring was in place.
It isn't working. Americans are still dying.
The down side is that Americans are also losing their freedom and privacy.
And still we die, even with the monitoring.
So find another solution.
“Your question at first glance seemed to say that to me. If its not, Ill retract it.”
Retract it. I never had domestic spying on my mind at all. The government should not be able to tap our phone calls, check our emails, search our houses, without a legal warrant in compliance with the constitution.
Non-Americans, however, have no such legal protections.
The NSA revelations throwing light on the Enemy Within was worth whatever risk, real or imagined, the bone caused. The Enemy Within is far more dangerous. National security is meaningless when the enemy IS the State.
Your statist solutions aren't working. They are compromising the rights of Americans.
Stop compromising my rights in your failed quest.
I'll take my chances with the terrorists. I know I've got a chance against them.
An over-reaching federal government? Not so much.
Glad you hear you say you apparently have common cause with the Cubans, Chicoms, Russkies, North Koreans, and so on and so forth. Putting this country into danger and undermining our long term survival doesnt put you on the side of any other group than these guys.
Without the Constitution, government by the people, for the people, and of the people, what the hell difference do we have from the citizens of those other countries?
Two terrorist guys bragging about it internationally blew up a race with pressure cookers.
“what the hell difference do we have from the citizens of those other countries?”
The difference is that “citizens” of OTHER countries have no constitutional protections. Only we do. I don’t care if the CIA is tapping the German Chancellor’s phone, or has hacked the computers of every government in the world. I’d consider it negligence if they didn’t.
Because the Dems had erected a wall between intel agencies. If you can't share information , you're not going to stop an attack. The US Gov't wasn't allowed to dive into the laptop of the hijacker in FL to find incriminating info because there were privacy laws preventing it. That info would have stopped 9/11.
Americans are still dying.
Far, far fewer than if the terrorists had free reign to communicate with their sympathizers in the US. As I said, there has been no devastating attack since 9/11. That is largely due to potential terrorists believing they are being monitored.
We don’t seem to be able to HAVE our constitutional protections.
Obamacare is CLEARLY unconstitutional. As is the searching and seizing going on at the NSA. Obama brags about his executive orders. Another FR post just now was about the Feds trying to FORCE the states not to ask for ID from voters. Where are our rights?
Our Constitution doesn't provide rights. The Constitution LIMITS THE GOVERNMENT. That's all it does.
Rights come from God.
You should figure out that part.
Boston was devastating. Even Benghazi is devastating, made the moreso because the actions of our state department and presidential administration make us wonder whose side they are even on.
“Obamacare is CLEARLY unconstitutional.”
What does anything I have said have to do with Obamacare? C’mon folks, think straight here.
It was a sick tragedy and crime, but it wasn't devastating to the entire country.
You can prove that Americans are having their rights abrogated by an over-reaching federal government.
I'll take my chances with the terrorists.
3000 dead isn't devastating. 6 million into ovens is.
Snowden is in the same camp as Julian Assange. Both are commie traitors.
Putin is doing all he can to keep conservatives from seeing th
It was Communists that spied on their citizens, and foreigners...maybe you are the Communist here?
Snowden did America a service. And, he makes Obama squirm more than the GOP do...which probably upsets our Liberal posters here on FR
Heritage Foundation report on thwarted attacks:
Your comment is naïve. If terrorists know they are being monitored, they cannot communicate effectively and attacks are mitigated. Are you in the camp that thinks if we just treat Al Queda better, they won't attack? Nonsense. They will attack at every opportunity. Why give them a open door to communicate freely by lessening surveillance?