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They Donít Make Senior Citizens Like They Used To
ClashDaily.com ^ | January 18, 2014 | Chuck Gruenwald

Posted on 01/19/2014 8:07:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

From the generation that had produced college students who had taken over their schools during the Vietnam era comes a new line of old people: seniors who have made it a daily ritual to take over a Queens, New York McDonald’s.

Yes, there is a group of older people who arrive at this McDonald’s as soon as the doors are unlocked, and then they sit, and sit – some stay until closing time. This is definitely a problem for McDonald’s management, since the purpose of a business is to make a profit. When a group of people create a human obstacle which prevents customers from eating in a restaurant that they have paid to use, management has no choice but to discourage such parasitic activity.

The most disturbing part of this story is the immature sense of entitlement on the part of individuals who should engage in much more dignified behavior. These armchair squatters have been told by both management and the police to quit loitering, especially when there are several senior centers nearby, but taking over a senior center probably isn’t as exciting as taking over a McDonald’s.

“Back in my day…..”

There is some irony when this line is directed at those who seemingly begin every sentence with it. However, if the shoe fits…. Back in my day, senior citizens acted in a more dignified manner. It’s not that all people in this age group today are acting less-than-mature, but just like the bad police officers who create a negative image for all police officers, the actions of a few establish a sense of guilt by association that unfairly blankets others.

My first encounter with a militant senior happened in the late eighties on a ride-along with a police officer. The officer had pulled over a seventy-two year-old for driving seventeen miles per-hour over the thirty mile per-hour speed limit; this had happened on a street in front of a park – on a Saturday. At the beginning of the traffic stop, the driver said that “he had a right to speed, because he was a senior citizen.” As the officer was about to walk back to his car after issuing a speeding ticket, the offended motorist said “when you are my age, I hope that someone harasses you the way that you harassed me.”

A few years later, there was a news story that was enough to shake one’s faith in humanity. It was about another seventy-plus year-old who had killed his grandson during a fight over ice cream.

My most recent story happened back in May at the Franklin Park, Il. carnival called Railroad Daze. In addition to the usual carnival rides, games and food, there are self-guided tours through several locomotives. Well, walking in front of me were three older gentlemen – perhaps in their late fifties or early sixties. As they walked through each locomotive, at least one of them at some point engaged in behavior that was rude at best, and could have made them possible Darwin Award winners at worst. It started with one who decided to open an electrical panel, just to take a peek inside, while another would putz around with random buttons and switches. My favorite, however, was the guy who tried to release a locomotive hand brake.

Could any of these actions alone have caused a problem? Individuals who err on the side of caution would not place themselves in such positions to find out the hard way. These folks also had an unwritten obligation to act as elder statesmen – to not engage in behavior that a young, impressionable child may deem acceptable. To also lead by example, not mess with mechanical and electrical systems that could have caused me to laugh uncontrollably had one of these guys really screwed the pooch.

There is something a little more disturbing when the mug shot of an older person appears in a newspaper or on a newscast. Why do individuals who were supposed to have earned the respect of others decide to negate that respect? No life should ever be lived in a manner that makes a lifetime of knowledge and experience appear as a trivial afterthought. Fortunately, for every high-profile example of geriatric hijinks, there are many more individuals who prove that they have earned a lifetime of respect the hard way.

While staying at a Milwaukee hotel several years ago, I had the honor of listening to a few World War II Veterans. There is a big difference between reading about history, and hearing first-hand accounts of naval warfare – stories of Japanese attacks; stories of Sailors who had fallen into the Atlantic Ocean, only to meet a horrific death as a result of shark attacks.

I had also met a Korean War Veteran who had several observations that linked what he had lived through and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And there was also a Vietnam Veteran who had survived multiple gunshot wounds in battle, only to once again face death in a Chicago tavern robbery in the early eighties, when the offender had shot him in the face. Everyone has a story to tell. However, it is up to us as individuals to decide if our own story is about honor and experience, or trying to build up one’s self – by trying to tear others down.

When my oldest nephew was younger, I would tell him that some older people believe that they are entitled to act immature. I also told him to observe those people – and then use them as an example of what not to do.

Every generation will have an opportunity to play the role as the senior generation. As this role is passed down, the “new old” generation is obligated to learn from the past, whether it be from heroes who wanted to protect us from the nightmare that they have lived through, or elderly McRebels who occupy fast-food restaurants because, well, just because.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: experience; maturity; seniorcitizens; wisdom

1 posted on 01/19/2014 8:07:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Aren’t those people at the McDonalds Korean immigrants, and mostly of the Silent generation age group?


2 posted on 01/19/2014 8:12:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They need to make the seats uncomfortable and remove any senior items from the menu. Playing indie music wouldn’t hurt, either.


3 posted on 01/19/2014 8:17:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The guy that wrote this article is a true idiot.

These are old Korean immigrants, members of the Silent generation, who gave us the 1960s, if you want to assign that to people who weren’t even in this country then.

“”Word ricocheted around the Korean enclaves of Queens, then onto the Internet, where it was picked up by Korean news media and sent in translation to the homeland.””

“”Whether the Koreans, many in their 70s and 80s, were right or wrong to spend their days at the restaurant, arriving as early as 5 a.m. and paying as little as $1.09 for a cup of coffee during their daylong stays, seemed not to matter much to the small but vocal group protesting against McDonald’s before an assortment of television cameras and photographers. “”


4 posted on 01/19/2014 8:23:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Put a parking meter on the seats.


5 posted on 01/19/2014 8:25:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: ansel12

...well...I met one at a McDonalds......he persuaded his mother to write up a fake BC so he could join the Merchant Marine in 1939 at age 16.


6 posted on 01/19/2014 8:29:49 PM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They used to call them bums. And the cops would tell them to move along.


7 posted on 01/19/2014 8:38:12 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
some older people believe that they are entitled to act immature

My experience is that immature old folks tend to have been like that their whole lives. They didn't just get their AARP card in the mail and suddenly decide to become asshats.

8 posted on 01/19/2014 8:51:17 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Veterans and all who love veterans, stay away from fast food places in order to leave more space for the few life-long civilian customers still getting incomes. Tighten-up on personal spending in general, so that His Majesty (the author) and others like him can learn a lesson about economic consequences.


9 posted on 01/19/2014 9:02:08 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Valpal1

Well said and true.


10 posted on 01/19/2014 9:03:57 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Gang of loitering seniors poses problems for McDonald's
11 posted on 01/19/2014 9:06:26 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Our bunch shows up with cribbage boards......


12 posted on 01/19/2014 9:10:02 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ?............................ Enforce the Bill of Rights............ It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Installing an indoor playground would work too.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 9:13:27 PM PST by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: ansel12

I don’t know about the guy that wrote this article, but I actually had real world experience running McDonald’s and I never thought of my Seniors as a problem! I valued them as resource, most of them were five to seven day regulars and bought two to three meals most days and I did not charge them for their friggin coffee. They were unofficial employees who always let me know what was going on in my stores, good or bad and saved the owner a lot of money by deterring vandalism by unruly youths.


14 posted on 01/19/2014 9:29:56 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: familyop

I don’t think there would be an economic consqequence, at least not a negative one. It was reported in another article that these guys will buy a small order of fries to share amongst themselves, then sit there for hours.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 9:30:03 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Mastador1

My impression is that the seniors in the article are not a beneficial resource like the seniors you had experience with.


16 posted on 01/19/2014 9:33:03 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Mastador1

I meant the guy was an idiot because he didn’t even know who the story was about, he thought that it was 50 and 60 something year old boomers, and the rest of the story was also kind of mixed up on everything.

If you read the articles about those elderly Koreans, they are a problem for that store.


17 posted on 01/19/2014 9:34:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: spokeshave
...well...I met one at a McDonalds......he persuaded his mother to write up a fake BC so he could join the Merchant Marine in 1939 at age 16.

The one I met in line at McDonald's was on a more famous boat. Indianapolis. I saw his cap and paid for his and his friends order, and they invited me to sit with them. He was the guy they pulled onto the PBY last...because they thought he was already dead.

18 posted on 01/19/2014 9:34:44 PM PST by InMemoriam (Have a seat over there, Mr. Mohammed. Aisha, go play on your swingset, honey.)
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To: ansel12

Yeah, these people are Koreans. How misleading can you be?


19 posted on 01/19/2014 9:48:07 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: spokeshave

People are upset with the way the article was intended or written. In other words to make most baby boomers look lazy.


20 posted on 01/19/2014 9:50:49 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’d kind of enjoy their taking over a Starbux or two.


21 posted on 01/19/2014 9:51:10 PM PST by EDINVA ( m)
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To: EDINVA

As one of those elders... I would expect nothing less from the new generation. It seems that it will always be that the young think that they are better and invincible so they do tend to push the elders out of the way... Not altogether a bad thing though. Sometimes we need to be pushed out to make way for the youth. That said, I have little respect for the youth of today as they tend to be narcissistic and care little about anyone else except for themselves. Probably said by all others past but still...

Probably a product of our current education system!


22 posted on 01/20/2014 12:01:34 AM PST by Deagle (ues)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
When WalMarts had their own little cafe deals, they were a hangout for the retired. Older folks seem to want to get out of the house for a while and do a little socializing.

I wonder how much a problem they actually are for McDonalds - they never seemed to cause problems at WalMart.

23 posted on 01/20/2014 4:04:18 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Huntress
Installing an indoor playground would work too.

That prevents me from hanging around. That and the fact that I don't care to hang around fast food restaurants.

24 posted on 01/20/2014 8:29:36 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Valpal1
My experience is that immature old folks tend to have been like that their whole lives.

Same with older lousy drivers.

25 posted on 01/20/2014 8:32:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdonalds-for-the-right-to-sit-and-sit-and-sit.html


26 posted on 01/20/2014 8:35:31 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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