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The Killing of Kennedy
Americans for a Free Republic ^ | January 20, 2014 | Nelson Hultberg

Posted on 01/20/2014 1:40:53 PM PST by Nelson Hultberg

With the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination this past November, I began revisiting the various conspiracy theories that have appeared over the years. I never put any stock in the Warren Commission and the establishment verdict of “Oswald as lone killer.” But among all the conspiracy portrayals put forth, none truly satisfied me as definitive. That is until I read JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, by James W. Douglass.

There are hundreds of “JFK conspiracy” books in print, but Douglass takes the reader to places not visited by others eloquently and hauntingly. And he backs up his disclosures with 2,041 source notes. This is a book that will linger in the recesses of one’s mind for a lifetime. Establishment defenders of the Warren Commission – like Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, and Bill O’Reilly – come off as grubby lap dogs of the state in comparison.

Something conspiratorial, indeed, took place in Dallas that frightful November day in 1963, and the fact that all establishment partisans scrambled so quickly to obfuscate so blatantly in their explanations afterwards should be a clear signal that evil was at work on the part of our government. The Warren Commission’s “single bullet theory” is so embarrassing that an intelligent individual feels immense shame in even listening to it, much less extending any probability to it. It’s not a theory; it’s a “Big Lie” the likes of which Joseph Goebbels popularized.

But, of course, the Warren Commission was not after the truth. It was an egregious whitewash from the beginning with its conclusion well-formed prior to its assembly, which was to then be rammed home to the American public by LBJ and Chief Justice Earl Warren....more at source

(Excerpt) Read more at afr.org ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; books; cia; conspiracy; jamesdouglass; jfk; jfkandtheunspeakable; jfkassassination; jfkmurder; kennedy; pentagon; postandrun
Will Kennedy's Killing ever be truly understood? Highly doubtful, but this article outlines a convincing portrayal of why the government and its CIA were bent on getting rid of JFK.
1 posted on 01/20/2014 1:40:53 PM PST by Nelson Hultberg
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Establishment defenders of the Warren Commission – like Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, and Bill O’Reilly – come off as grubby lap dogs of the state in comparison

I imagine if the author of the book is a serious person he would request the author of the article to stop being on his side.

2 posted on 01/20/2014 1:47:01 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Nelson Hultberg
"(Excerpt) Read more at afr.org ..."

No.
3 posted on 01/20/2014 2:04:18 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
I was visiting a friend in Texas when this topic came up.

He spoke about one aspect I had not really previously considered: the death of J. D. Tippit.

Specifically, why was J. D. Tippit where he was at that specific time? I always assumed coincidence and routine patrol.

He was of the firm belief, that Tippit was there specifically to kill Oswald, but Oswald got the jump on him. This caused the conspirator's to go to plan B......... Ruby.

For the whole conspiracy to work, they needed a fall guy - Oswald.

4 posted on 01/20/2014 2:05:09 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Oswald was a known commodity to the Russians and Cubans. Castro knew Owald was a lit fuse probably aimed at JFK.
Oswald shot JFK, without help from anyone.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 2:15:49 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Nelson Hultberg

In the hindsight of looking at a situation like the Benghazi massacre, the concurrence of some persons very high in the government becomes much more believable.

Who stood to gain the most from the death of JFK?, and is it significant that the assassination took place in Texas?

True, JFK had played fast and loose with his connections with the Mafia, and maybe Bobby was just a little too tough in a few cases. But Castro had a beef with Kennedy as well, and just maybe, there was a temporary de-facto alliance between Elbie Jay and some who wanted a little more “flexibility” in international dealings.

Opportunity meets with means and motive.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 2:20:39 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: Michael.SF.
He spoke about one aspect I had not really previously considered: the death of J. D. Tippit. Specifically, why was J. D. Tippit where he was at that specific time? I always assumed coincidence and routine patrol. He was of the firm belief, that Tippit was there specifically to kill Oswald, but Oswald got the jump on him. This caused the conspirator's to go to plan B......... Ruby. For the whole conspiracy to work, they needed a fall guy - Oswald.

The trouble with a theory like that is that you're blowing off Tippit's death in the line of duty and painting him as a criminal. He was patrolling his usual area when the BOLO came on his radio for Oswald. He saw Oswald and pulled up alongside of him. When he got out of his car, Oswald unloaded on him. All available evidence shows that Officer Tippit was gunned down in the line of duty. IMO his death should not be treated as just another "what if?" in the JFK conspiracy sweepstakes.

7 posted on 01/20/2014 2:26:18 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Anyone with a functioning brain, who saw the Zapruder Film, and who’s shot a rifle at a pumpkin or water jug, instinctively knew JFK was headshot from the front, Oswald was set-up, and the gov’t lied its ass off. I was 13 (by a few days), a brand new Eagle Scout and in freshman HS algebra class when the announcement came over the PA system at 12:30pm CST. That day was the “end of innocence” for me, as all I’ve come to expect from the gov’t is lies, fraud and deception.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 2:27:09 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

If they can cover up the 1996 shoot-down of TWA Flight 800 in front of over 200 eyewitnesses, they could EASILY cover up an assassination conspiracy in a case like JFK’s.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 2:34:02 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Nelson Hultberg

The crimes of Clinton and Obama has made a lot more people see that a lot of high government officials are ruthless and look closer at the events of 1963 and realize that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, and Oswald was set up to be the patsy.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 2:46:31 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Michael.SF.

I have always thought the same thing. I think when the shots rang out in Dealy plaza, Oswald KNEW he’d been set up. During the 4-5 minutes he was in his rooming house just after the assassination, a Dallas PD car pulled up in front and honked....waited a minutes or so and then left. I think Oswald was running for his life and realized that Tippit was there to take him out.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 2:47:56 PM PST by ALASKA (Disgusted......)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Oswald shot JFK, without help from anyone.”

Agreed. A loose cannon commie with shooting skills to bring it off. True, the assassination of JFK redounded greatly to Lyndon Johnson’s benefit (and how he squandered it!) but the Soviets thought Kennedy a useful patsy & were shocked and saddened at the news.

“Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”


12 posted on 01/20/2014 2:50:59 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You made EAGLE (essentially) when you were TWELVE?

That’s amazing!


13 posted on 01/20/2014 2:51:39 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Regardless of whether you believe JFK was killed by conspiracy or the “lone nut” Oswald, history begs the question of a second conspiracy - one from the federal government to cover up the evidence and affix blame. LBJ, according to some, was afraid to learn that the Russians or, more likely, the Cubans were behind the assassination and wanted to get the official “lone nut” case out there (with the help of LBJ’s neighbor J. Edgar Hoover) to diffuse the possibility of nuclear war to avenge the assassination.

In other words, LBJ did not know who killed JFK but he wanted to make damn sure it wasn’t going to lead to a second war (Vietnam already being the first one) so he and Hoover put together the “lone nut” theory, twisted arms to form a commission led by the Chief Justice with a set conclusion and then told the lawyers to find the facts to fit the conclusion.

To do that, evidence had to be faked and counter evidence destroyed ASAP - something I think even Oswald apologists can agree on.

There could have been not one but two conspiracies of unrelated parties - one to commit the murder and a second government-directed one to cover it up.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 3:01:37 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Thanks for posting this.....will definitely get this book.

I've read many books on the JFK assassination - from both points of view. The most compelling is "Best Evidence" by David S.Lifton.

Look forward to reading this one.

15 posted on 01/20/2014 3:13:44 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: OrangeHoof
LBJ did not know who killed JFK but he wanted to make damn sure it wasn’t going to lead to a second war (Vietnam already being the first one)

At that moment, Viet Nam was still small potatoes. And Castro was a lump in everyone's craw.

Had they seriously believed Castro was behind it, they'd have rolled him up like a cheap rug. And the soviets dare not interfere.

So hints to the effect that maybe it was Castro have struck me as stirring the water.

16 posted on 01/20/2014 3:13:58 PM PST by marron
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Here’s something to ponder.

Looking back at the Presidents that have been assassinated in this country’s history, they all had a few this in common, the most obvious is they all opposed a central private bank.

Lincoln spoke out in opposition and was killed.

Garfield spoke out against it and was killed.

McKinley spoke out against it and was killed.

Kennedy threatened to repeal the Federal Reserve and was killed.

Andrew Jackson spoke out against a private central bank and two attempts were made on his life.

Reagan spoke out in opposition to the Federal Reserve and after he recovered, he never spoke of it again.

Maybe its just a coincidence, but the Federal Reserve and the big banks that are a part of it have had a hand in every dirty, sleazy goings on in this nations history and every President that speaks out against them has either had an attempt on his life or been killed.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 3:42:47 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: marron

After he left the White House, LBJ said on film to Walter Cronkite that he wasn’t certain that he believed Oswald was the lone assassin and suspected the Cubans were behind it. Maybe he knew the truth and was muddying the water or maybe he didn’t know the truth at all. Or maybe he was trying desperately to look like he was on the right side of history as more conspiracy information dribbled out.

But I saw no point in him saying this in front of a news camera if he believed Oswald acted alone.


18 posted on 01/20/2014 3:44:10 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: marron

Here is the excerpt I’m referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfFMUWg39WU

Why does LBJ say this if he’s sure it was Oswald?


19 posted on 01/20/2014 3:54:17 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Another JFK assassination suspect being talked about at the time was the involvement of the US govt in the coup against South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem which ended with his murder. There is an article by John Prados titled JFK and the Diem Coup on the net. Kennedy was assassinated shortly thereafter.
20 posted on 01/20/2014 4:00:33 PM PST by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

“e Warren Commission’s “single bullet theory” is so embarrassing that an intelligent individual feels immense shame in even listening to it, much less extending any probability to it. It’s not a theory; it’s a “Big Lie” the likes of which Joseph Goebbels popularized.”

Goebbels? Come on. I stopped reading after this ridiculous hyperbole. Yes a single bullet could have done what they described and no it was not pristine. Or maybe not. But it is possible and not reason to throw out “Goebbels”. Personally i think there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll that fired the head shot. But the only confirmed shooter is Oswald.


21 posted on 01/20/2014 5:02:31 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Nelson Hultberg
As Douglass shows us, he was planning to pull out of Vietnam by 1965, he wished to negotiate nuclear disarmament with Khrushchev, and he was moving to greatly restrict the CIA. This, of course, created outrage and panic among the power elites at the Pentagon and the CIA, enough so to possibly take radical action.

Richard Nixon pulled out of Vietnam and negotiatiated nuclear disarmament with Khrushchev's successor. James Schlesinger, his Director of Central Intelligence conducted a purge of the CIA. So why didn't the Power Elites have Nixon assassinated?

22 posted on 01/20/2014 5:18:47 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Carbonsteel
Looking back at the Presidents that have been assassinated in this country’s history, they all had a few this in common, the most obvious is they all opposed a central private bank.

So why wasn't Jackson assassinated?

23 posted on 01/20/2014 5:22:49 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

I believe is was divine intervention.

Someone tried and their gun misfired. Jackson actually had to be pulled off his attacker. He was known for being very combative.

He survived another attempt on his life earlier and carried the ball around in him the rest of his life.


24 posted on 01/20/2014 5:28:08 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: elcid1970; Michael.SF.; ALASKA; Eric in the Ozarks

Good points but the deaths under suspicious circumstances of dozens and dozens of material and eyewitnesses puts the probability of a “lone nut” Oswald as the only shooter in the billions to one realm.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 6:06:10 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23
The assassination was certainly a million to one...
26 posted on 01/20/2014 6:15:01 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Carbonsteel

Andrew Jackson’s would-be assassin fired not one but TWO flintlock pistols at him at point blank range and BOTH failed to flash in the pan. He would have beaten his attacker to death were he not restrained.

Earlier, Jackson had withstood the fire of his antagonist on the dueling field; the .70 caliber ball struck a rib then deflected. He staggered but then stood upright & fired; the hammer fell to half-cock but Jackson recocked and fired, killing his opponent.

How many U.S. Presidents can be quoted, “Oh, I do believe he pinked me, but I would have killed him even if he had shot me through the brain!”


27 posted on 01/20/2014 6:18:34 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

I have always thought that if the government had nothing to hide, why is it hiding it? Why are there still so many classified files about this 50 years later? With one swoop the release of these files would either shut down the conspiracy folks or vindicate them.


28 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:24 PM PST by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

Those who trumped up the huge convoluted multiple conspiracy theories about the Mafia, Castro, Khrushchev & LBJ would look like real idiots if now somebody spilled the beans & admitted, “Aw shucks, it really was just one isolated nutcase with a surplus rifle who assassinated our President & changed the course of history. Oopsie.”

“Not bloody likely, mate.”


29 posted on 01/20/2014 6:34:57 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Michael.SF.; Nelson Hultberg
This caused the conspirator's to go to plan B......... Ruby.

Or was it simply plan A all along?

There was substantial motorcade security and planing. Even vehicles just a few hundred feet in front of the JFK limousine were filled with LEOS and SS looking at building windows for signs of potential shooters, as they would radio back to the motorcade a warning to evade/breakoff.

Numerous threats against Oswald had been made to authorities. Even FBI Hoover contacted Dallas Police Chief requesting that Oswald be given the massive security.

The Chief later said he never got any message from the FBI boss.

It begs the question, why would Dallas PD parade the person around for the media and others present, who just 48 hours earlier allegedly blew the head off the President of the United States?

Ruby gave inconsistent statements as to why he did it.

He wanted to be the big hero.

He wanted to prove Jews could be tough guys and had guts.

And even later said he wanted to spare Jackie Kennedy from criminal legal proceedings against the assassin.

And he would also say, "I don't know what came through my mind".

Which is it?

Ruby goes to downtown and parks his car. While in the area at a western union Ruby said he just happened to see a bustle at police headquarters and went over just to see what was happening. We know what followed.

If this is true why when he parked his car did he throw his wallet and car keys in the trunk and take his revolver with him which he normally kept in a moneybag in his trunk?

All this seems a bit odd.

30 posted on 01/20/2014 7:59:28 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
If this is true why when he parked his car did he throw his wallet and car keys in the trunk and take his revolver with him which he normally kept in a moneybag in his trunk?

All this seems a bit odd.

The Sandy Hook incident had some irregularities with firearms and trunks as well.
Maybe trunks are the Kryptonite of the federal government.

31 posted on 01/20/2014 9:30:08 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Don’t let bad jokes and goofy quips discourage you from attempts to be funny.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 9:41:22 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 2harddrive

100%.


33 posted on 01/21/2014 3:59:40 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

the AFR report is a bunch of BS. Aaron Zapruder’s film and his testimony, as well as his secretary’s testimony, has no one behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 5:04:05 AM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: elcid1970

“Aw shucks, it really was just one isolated nutcase with a surplus rifle who assassinated our President & changed the course of history. Oopsie.”
__________________________________________________________

Okay, then why not release ALL records and put this argument to rest? Why? Thousands of pages of documents are still classified at the National Archives after 50 years. There is no credible argument for doing so. Where is Sandy Berger when you really need him?


35 posted on 01/21/2014 6:08:17 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: dragnet2
Don’t let bad jokes and goofy quips discourage you from attempts to be funny.

The height of the bad-joke/goofy-quip/pun/bad-wordplay genera is when you say something to a room of people and then, two instants later, everyone groans.
:)

36 posted on 01/21/2014 10:48:48 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I’m confident your attempt at humor made more than one cringe.

Keep practicing.


37 posted on 01/21/2014 2:54:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: elcid1970
they don't make old hickories any more
38 posted on 01/21/2014 3:05:56 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

General Jackson was a MAN.


39 posted on 01/21/2014 6:00:32 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

>>>“Oswald shot JFK, without help from anyone.”

Agreed. A loose cannon commie with shooting skills to bring it off. True, the assassination of JFK redounded greatly to Lyndon Johnson’s benefit (and how he squandered it!) but the Soviets thought Kennedy a useful patsy & were shocked and saddened at the news.

“Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”<<<

Kennedy was Obama of that era. Incompetent celebrity type POTUS. Commies took every advantage they could of him.

I guess a news of assassination made them more than just sad.

Soviets behind Kennedy’s murder makes about as much sense as if they did it today to Obama.


40 posted on 01/22/2014 12:11:28 AM PST by cunning_fish
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