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Elite Insider Predicted Massive Crash in 2012: “Very Large Probability… Around March 4, 2014″
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Posted on 02/03/2014 7:58:41 PM PST by Kartographer

We understand that Doomsday predictions are aplenty these days, but given what’s going on around the world right now it may be time to revisit the eerily prescient forecast of an elite insider.

Grady Means is a former advisor to Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, a former economist at the U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare, and has managed multi-billion dollar firms over his career. Back in October of 2012 Means penned a commentary and analysis for the Washington Times in which he noted that “America’s fall will take global economies with it.”

But he didn’t stop there. Means gave us a target date.

There is a very large probability that the real end of the world will occur around March 4, 2014.

The doomsday clock will ring then because the U.S. economy may fully crash around that date, which will, in turn, bring down all world economies and all hope of any recovery for the foreseeable future — certainly over the course of most of our lifetimes. Interest rates will skyrocket, businesses will fail, unemployment will go to record levels, material and food shortages will be rampant, and there could be major social unrest.

Any wishful thinking that America is in a “recovery” and that “things are getting better” is an illusion.

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There’s a sentiment among those on Main Street, and as of today on Wall Street, that there is a major disconnect between company stock valuations and economic activity in the real world.

Despite their best efforts to convince us that we’re in a recovery, the establishment is running into a problem… reality.

This morning we learned that the Institute for Supply Management monthly report went kaboom, showing a large contraction in new production, indicating that retailers are pulling back on stocking their shelves. Perhaps the ISM report has something to do with consumer sentiment, which according to today’s Gallup survey on consumer spending suggests consumer are cutting spending wherever possible.

But that’s not all. Even the largest retailer in the world is having problems and seeing negative growth. Walmart announced that last November’s cuts to food stamp recipients hurt their fourth quarter sales, adding further credence to the notion that without direct government bailouts the stability of America’s companies comes into question.

Need we even mention that over 100 million Americans are not in the labor force, or that five million people may lose their unemployment benefits by the end of this year?

And, of course, let’s not forget that we’ve created more debt as a nation in the last five years than in all of the years from our country’s founding through the year 2008 combined.

Those investing in financial markets have certainly taken note. On top of the 326 point decline in the Dow Jones today, the market is down a combined 1,000 points from its peak just a month ago. And, with three well known bankers committing suicide in the last week, people are starting to pay attention.

No one really knows exactly why the market is falling or what happens next, but if you’re going to consider any prediction on the future of the financial and economic sector, why not consider what the elite have to say about it?

If there is a major financial collapse in the works as we speak, then Grady Means’ prediction should scare the hell out of you. If he’s right, then this isn’t just going to be a market crash.

We could well be facing the beginnings of an all-out financial Armageddon that will make 2008 look like a brief warm up.

This collapse, as noted by the US Treasury Department and Grady Means, is going to have generational effects – a depressive economic environment for our entire lifetimes.

Preparing for such a scenario is not easy. One must take into consideration everything from emergency supply lists to deal with the instantaneous collapse of our monetary system and financial markets, while also considering long-term strategies that involve the development of barterable trade skills and relocating to land that has productive capacity so you can grow your own food.

We had a reader recently comment about the coming collapse. She warned that preparing for a weeks- or months-long emergency is insufficient. She suggested that perhaps we need to consider the worst case scenario: years of joblessness, destitution and depression.

It’s happened before and it was so bad that we still talk about the Great Depression to this day.

Who’s to say it can’t happen again?

1 posted on 02/03/2014 7:58:41 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 02/03/2014 7:59:36 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Massive Crash in 2012.

I was there. Didn’t happen.


3 posted on 02/03/2014 8:02:41 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

The prediction was made in 2012. The date predicted was around March 4 of 2014. We’ll know in about 30 days.


4 posted on 02/03/2014 8:05:30 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Kartographer

Watch out for them thar elite insiders...


5 posted on 02/03/2014 8:05:57 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: DManA

No he predicted in 2012 that it would be in 2014.


6 posted on 02/03/2014 8:07:39 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: Empireoftheatom48
Waste of time. He's clearly using his FReeper prerogative to comment of an article he never read.
7 posted on 02/03/2014 8:10:41 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
She warned that preparing for a weeks- or months-long emergency is insufficient.

Short of robbing a bank, I don't have the resources to prep to that extreme. Several months of food, a year's supply of our necessary prescription drugs, 6 months worth of supplies for basic needs along with appropriate self defense hardware and related consumables, plus some silver bars for barter.

The SHTF is probably coming, but damn it, I am not going to become so obsessed with it that I can't live & enjoy the life I have now.

8 posted on 02/03/2014 8:18:51 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer

I am very suspicious of people providing specific dates or date ranges on predictions such as these. However, I do believe people should contemplate how a depression would impact them and prepare. It is definitely possible and I don’t see any stamp on my American butt that says we are immune to the rules of economics.

Our economy is complex and there is lots of danger in it. We sold our beautiful house in the city and moved into the country about 4 years ago. Hobby farms are hard work, but it’s a nice lifestyle and if nothing happens I don’t think we will have many regrets when I am enjoying our orchard, chickens, berries, and garden.


9 posted on 02/03/2014 8:19:43 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: Kartographer

We chose not to defend the borders and allow millions of new workers into the country to take jobs from Americans.

We chose to eliminate tariffs and quotas on imported goods to force American labor to compete with slave wages abroad while our trading partners continued their mercantilist trade policies.

We allowed the “free” market to operate and move the US manufacturing sector abroad along with millions of middle class jobs.

We allowed our education system to become a propaganda organ instead of a tool to sustain an informed and technically proficient population.

We confused diversity and self esteem preservation with achievement and lowered our standards of achievement in almost every endeavor.

Our corporations allowed the financial manipulators to become CEO’s, pushing aside the people who understood product development, production and customer service. As a result foreign competition almost destroyed the auto and other industries.

We turned over our monetary system to a cartel of Wall Street bankers who have debased the currency and eroded 95% of its value over the past century.

We became obsessed with sex without responsibility or love, confusing art for pornography and deviancy for self expression. In doing so we turned our back on our cultural roots and our God.

We tolerate lies and deceit from our elected and appointed officials. Our public officials exhibit no shame in their public and private behavior but neither do we.

We wonder what has happened to our once great nation and the opportunities it once afforded those who would work to be the best they could be.


10 posted on 02/03/2014 8:20:28 PM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Well 3 bankers with orominent banks committed “suicde” recently


11 posted on 02/03/2014 8:21:35 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Kartographer
Grady Means is a former advisor to Vice President Nelson Rockefeller...will occur around March 4, 2014. How old is this guy? Rockefeller was Who's VP? Regardless, if it all comes to a screeching halt on March 4th, that means his buddies made it happen.
12 posted on 02/03/2014 8:33:14 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Ditto. We’ve got enough food to last about a month along with some silver. We’ve got some cash stashed in case the banks don’t have any. I’ve got a small water filtration device that’s not nearly capable of what I should have, but it’s a start. And I’ve got quite a lot of ammo. Other than that, I’m going to try to enjoy the last years I have on this earth. And the truth of the matter is there’s not a damn thing I can do to stop whatever is going to happen.

The only thing I really fear is a “walking dead” scenario. People walking around like zombies looking for anything they can find to eat. And where to go to get away from it.


13 posted on 02/03/2014 8:33:45 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: jsanders2001

Who were the three bankers and did they leave suicide letters?


14 posted on 02/03/2014 8:34:24 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: DManA

2008 was a great kick in the crotch for a LOT of small business’ (”Line’s of credit” we’re called in by the banks and lenders who made shit decisions; that killed the “little” guys who are no more now; not to mention their five or so employee’s). The healthy small to mid-sized business’ hedged their way for a few years until they could realize some gain and got or set up to get out. 2010 was total stop gap QE and 2012 didn’t happen because the gears of the printing presses we’re well lubed and are still spinning at high RPM. Hello 2014 and Q3 when obamacare leverages the (put off by executive order) company mandates. Kiss off small and medium business; those owners KNOW they cannot do it. Game over. Thousands of small business owners “check out” and with them 5-35 employee’s at a clip; it all “trickle’s down” from there (something Liberals tell us all does not and cannot happen). *poof* Good-bye buying power at any level. Hope you prepped ahead of time because Walmarts (or costco, or sam’s, or target’s, etc..) will start to collapse when they have no customer’s to pick up what is on their shelve’s because there is nothing to “spend” to obtain their overseas items.

Detroit is the poster child if only in slow motion. Our energy is under attack (moving goods), our means to provide (by means of burning our food for fuel), Our manufacturing because we have been sending it overseas of years and years because of government. Our laws that enable bureaucrats to to pass regulations on the fly without voter consent.

We are going to kill ourselves by means of instability because of assholes who had no idea “it” (society) could crash so completely yet their college “professor’s” swore “it” would all work if we would just try and give communism another chance!!!!.

/I know, with you, I preach to the choir. I hope google cache’s this shit for other’s to find.


15 posted on 02/03/2014 8:34:48 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
but damn it, I am not going to become so obsessed with it that I can't live & enjoy the life I have now.

Not surprised based on the screen name.

16 posted on 02/03/2014 8:36:55 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: SisterK

Why is this guy choosing March 4th? Is that the day the debt ceiling is raised?


17 posted on 02/03/2014 8:37:49 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

> Who were the three bankers and did they leave suicide letters?

Make it 4; a new occurred. This all in the space of a week. Something big is coming down the pike butthose in the know are not commenting. Looks like Soros was a little too effective on manipulating the world economy with the help of his Manchurian Candidate.

http://rt.com/business/russell-investments-chief-economist-dead-564/


18 posted on 02/03/2014 8:40:00 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Ghost of SVR4

One ‘consolation’ is that those same professors will be ‘consumed’ within the first four months of the collapse which will leave groceries empty. I say good riddance to such filth.


19 posted on 02/03/2014 8:40:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

No clue. Odd that someone in his “league” would forecast to one specific date.


20 posted on 02/03/2014 8:42:12 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: Soul of the South
Hear, hear. But remember, the Pubbies are just as responsible for all you listed as the 'Rats. We need to bear that in mind when the smoke clears and we get to sorting this mess out.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

21 posted on 02/03/2014 8:43:09 PM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Soul of the South

Your post is most distressing,and true.

We have destroyed ourselves.

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22 posted on 02/03/2014 8:45:05 PM PST by Mears
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Can you suggest a different way to look at it?


23 posted on 02/03/2014 8:45:50 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: jsanders2001

http://www.reddit.com/r/economy/comments/1ww680/financial_world_shaken_by_4_bankers_apparent/


24 posted on 02/03/2014 8:46:08 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Soul of the South

It’s a well-tuned disaster with many heads ...


25 posted on 02/03/2014 8:46:55 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

No kidding. I would do something, anything, if I had some sort of cash flow of any sort.

I can’t do much, but I’m doing small things via friends and helping them at least make some minor preparations so we all won’t be totally flat-footed.


26 posted on 02/03/2014 8:50:29 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: jsanders2001

My guess is that Russia is still a bit upset about Cyprus.


27 posted on 02/03/2014 8:53:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
Our laws that enable bureaucrats to to pass regulations on the fly without voter consent

IMO, that right there is one of the primary reasons our republic is now a facade.Our legislature has ceded its constitutional authority and responsibility to unelected bureaucrats. Turning our government into a gigantic monster with no accountability. No matter who we elect, it doesn't change, the bureaucrats just continue along as usual.

28 posted on 02/03/2014 8:54:36 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: SisterK

Rockerfeller was vp for Gerald Ford.


29 posted on 02/03/2014 8:55:52 PM PST by staytrue
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To: ChildOfThe60s

It’s not as hard as you think it is. Every time you go shopping, buy a case of water or some extra canned goods. Keep the food in dry storage, to best ensure longevity. Get a small amount of quality clothes to keep stored away as well.

It’s the small things over time that will best prepare you.


30 posted on 02/03/2014 8:57:20 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: staytrue

Thank you. He’s been in the game for a while.


31 posted on 02/03/2014 8:59:32 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: Kartographer

Unemployment is already at “record levels” if you look past the official numbers. This is the worst economy since the 1930’s and is going downhill.


32 posted on 02/03/2014 9:08:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Mike Dueker, the chief economist at Russell Investments, was found dead at the side of a highway that leads to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington state, according to the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department. He was 50

On Tuesday, Jan. 28, Gabriel Magee, 39, vice president at JPMorgan Chase & Co’s London headquarters, apparently jumped to his death from a building in the Canary Wharf area.

And on Sunday, Jan. 26, William Broeksmit, 58, former senior manager for Deutsche Bank, was found hanging in his home in another apparent suicide.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/02/03/Three-Prominent-Bankers-Found-Dead-From-Apparent-Suicides-Inside-A-Week


33 posted on 02/03/2014 9:15:58 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

See this thread. Drudge tweeted “have an exit plan”:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3116484/posts


34 posted on 02/03/2014 9:17:25 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kartographer

Matt Drudge Issues Warning: “Have an Exit Plan…”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3116484/posts


35 posted on 02/03/2014 9:18:04 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Kartographer
the real end of the world will occur around March 4, 2014.

Did he give a time?

If I tee off at 7:00 should I play nine or the full 18?

36 posted on 02/03/2014 9:19:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Kartographer
There are many who subscribe to the theory that economies move in repeating cycles, and that today we're just living through the "Jimmy Carter years" again.

However, to believe that one must ignore several important differences, with perhaps the biggest difference being that we've maxed out our national credit card.

We're in total uncharted territory, and those who are wise will do their best to prepare for a difficult future.

37 posted on 02/03/2014 9:25:47 PM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: Michael.SF.

Sorry I never understood golfers. Yes most of them if they had a tee time and knew for certain that the world was eneding at that time would show up any way and those with Tee Times afterward would bitch about not getting to play.


38 posted on 02/03/2014 9:28:12 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: The Duke

I remember saying in the past we could be headed towards a perfect repeat of the 1930’s: severe economic malaise and increased economic extremism that only has one final result: a general world war. And the world now—unlike the late 1930’s—still has several thousand operational nuclear weapons that could be launched and reach their targets in 30 minutes or less at minimum. Yikes.


39 posted on 02/03/2014 9:34:13 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Kartographer

Why March 4th? Is it a secret command for some entity to “march forth?”


40 posted on 02/03/2014 9:43:44 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Kartographer

The obastard plan is coming to fruition.

Massive numbers of people are now even more up against the wall with rising health are premiums and deductibles to prepare for. They’re scared and not spending.

Taxes, big tax increases have not hit yet. They will soon and they are going to stifle spending even more at all levels.

Prices are going up in leaps for all things and most of it is because of unproductive costly government mandates. We have been made into a noncompetitive country. We are being forced to do too many things by the government that don’t make sense.

Massive layoffs of military people are hitting. Mor out of work people.

Electricity rates are going to go through the roof soon and there is no quick alternative to the loss of coal fired power plants.

On and on and on and on. We are simply not competitive or productive as a nation any more. Half the people supporting the other half in one way or another won’t cut it.

Things suck and will suck worse before this is over.

Interesting though how the euphoria of the market has so compeletely changed in just a month.


41 posted on 02/03/2014 9:45:38 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: SisterK

I have no trouble believing in total economic collapse. I expect it. I have trouble believing that somebody could predict the precise time of it, to the very day. As you say, if he knows the day, then he knows who is going to arrange it.


42 posted on 02/03/2014 9:47:04 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: RayChuang88

21% of the population were farmers in the 1930’s and 43% of the total population lived in rural areas mean that most likely they grew at least some of their on food. Now days???


43 posted on 02/03/2014 9:47:52 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
21% of the population were farmers in the 1930’s and 43% of the total population lived in rural areas mean that most likely they grew at least some of their on food. Now days???

Very good point.

44 posted on 02/03/2014 10:00:25 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: Disambiguator
Why March 4th? Is it a secret command for some entity to “march forth?”

There ya go!

45 posted on 02/03/2014 10:20:23 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Kartographer

When a business can no longer raise it’s prices due to Extortion-Care, litigation protection, extortion regulations, rising scarcity costs of goods,....

because it’s consumers can no longer afford those resultant higher prices, purchases will grind to a halt, and earnings will floor....

then the full mask of deflation, fig leafed since 2008, will come off and ____________ ________________ ____________.


46 posted on 02/03/2014 10:30:35 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: MHGinTN

4 months is awful generous of you, I give the average Berkeley pointy head maybe a couple weeks, then again, that “city” is located immediately between Richmond and Oakland California...


47 posted on 02/03/2014 10:34:51 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

WITHIN the first four months. It will not be pretty and the shock to these elitist pigs will be huge, but they will succumb to hunger and disease if they survive the ‘foragers’.


48 posted on 02/03/2014 10:45:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kartographer; jsanders2001; VerySadAmerican

A lot of comments on this thread are about dead bankers. Here’s some info I found on a thread at another site. I cannot vouch for it’s accuracy, so put it in the category of interesting rumor.

The dead bankers:

1. Deutsche Bank executive Bill Broeksmit, 58, found dead at his home in Chelsea, south west London, on 26 January.

2. JPMorgan Chase & Company vice president in technology operations Gabriel Magee, 39, who died after falling from his London headquarters on 28 January.

3. Chief economist at Russell Investments (a VERY high profile investment advisory firm), and former US Federal Reserve economist, Mike Dueker, 50, found dead at the side of a highway that leads to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State on 31 January.

The “common link” between these bankers, MIGHT be:

A. Sometime in 2013 two JP Morgan whistleblowers confessed that their bank manipulates the gold and silver markets.

That whistleblowers have come forth is widely reported, and this part of the story can be considered confirmed.

B. The above scandal has recently led Europe’s largest bank, Deutsche Bank, to withdraw from the appropriately named gold and silver price “fixing”, as European regulators investigate the manipulation of precious metals prices by Western banks.

This part is also widely reported and confirmed.

C. The following is the part I CANNOT confirm:

Deutsche Bank executive Broeksmit, called among the “finest minds” in his field, and Russell Investments Dueker, ranked among the top 5 percent of economists by number of works published, were a big part of the European investigation into JPMorgan gold and silver price manipulation.

Their “inside man” was JPMorgan tech guru Magee who oversaw the banks computer systems, including the programs used to manipulate the gold price fixings.

If the above is true, then all three “suicides” are connected.


49 posted on 02/03/2014 11:17:57 PM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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Ref bump


50 posted on 02/03/2014 11:21:26 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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