The People of the Ukraine, between a rock and a hard place. ~ Vanity

GraceG

[GraceG]

So it seems to me that the people of the Ukraine are being used by either pro-russian factions or pro-Europeon Union factions. But no one is talking about the one faction that doesn't want part in either arena.

Soros and our own state department has dumped a whole bunch of money into NGO (non Government Organisations) directly affecting the foriegn policy of another soverign nation.

No doubt Putin has his fingers in the Ukraine pie, but we aren't noticing it as much becasue the Russian media has been under his thumb after a series of "unfourtunate accidents and suicides". And won't hear much until all the hollow fanfare of Sochi is a distant memory.

So who is looking out for the Ukrainians who want their own country? From all the media reports I have read so far, I have heard the underwhelming sound of crickets chirping?

Is the populace of the Ukraine so used to having a boot on their throat they are now fighting to decide whose foot it will be and not to get ANY boot off of their throats?

It reminds me of the two parties here in the USA, more and mroe each day it seems like both boots belong to the same bosy with one boot labeled Establishment Democrat and the other one labeled Establishment Republican and the body politic is the "Establishment".

Who is fighting for Ukraine for the Ukrainians...

[Viennacon]

Nobody is fighting for them, because ‘them’ is very hard to define. Ukraine is as polarized today as the USA was during the Civil War. Language and culture separates them.

Right now, apparently talks are underway, so we can hope for an end to the violence.

What’s more interesting is Venezuela, where people are struggling and dying to get rid of Chavez’s successor.

[Paladin2]

The US shoulda supported the Iranian Green Rev.

[AlexW]

“So who is looking out for the Ukrainians who want their own country?”
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Well, Ukraine, since the breakup of the USSR, is an independent country. Obviously, it is too valuable for Putin, and others, to let it be.

[PGalt]

Send the people of Ukraine and Venezuela our Constitution. We’re not using it.

[Paladin2]

"What’s more interesting is Venezuela, where people are struggling and dying to get rid of Chavez’s successor."

Slaves to Cuba.

Soon to be here in the US.

[GraceG]

Send the people of Ukraine and Venezuela our Constitution. We’re not using it.

NAILED IT!

[Mariner]

This mess is all about Russia's "Monroe Doctrine", unspoken as it is.

The Russians still station their Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.

Ukraine has been a Russian satellite for hundreds of years.

Yeah, that sucks for them, but nobody is going to do anything about it.

But, are we really sure it DOES suck for them?

The great game is afoot again. In real terms Ukraine with be either a Russian client or a German (EU) client. And Russia is willing to do whatever it takes to ensure they stay a Russian client.

[353FMG]

>>Language and culture separates them.<<

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Wish we could be that lucky. Here in the US we have a third dimension that divides us — race.

In the long run, diversity sucks.

[Leo Carpathian]

Ukrainian moms and pops in the west are sending money, clothing to brave (peaceful first) demonstrators at Maidan. Enough Russian “care”, they want to be free, independent and rather deal with western civilized nations than with Russian KGB commiesaaaars!
80% of Ukraine is uprising!

[Selene]

” and not to get ANY boot off of their throats? “

NBC’s richard engle has arrived on scene same as Egypt, Libya, Syria. It’s a tell.

[PieterCasparzen]

I just saw NBC's coverage; Brian Williams and Alan Greenspan's wife were hard at work.

IMHO, it looks just like all the other revolutions we've been seeing in the news.

For a population around 45 million...

there are only those "protestors in the square".

There was no report of millions in the square, scrapping with police, torching tires, etc. All those are the identical tactics of the pattern of recent revolutions.

The news coverage only showed what could be hundreds or certainly thousands. But a lot of the 45 million Ukrainians are evidently watching this from the sidelines.

What would bring these protestors to clamor so vociferously for wanting to do business with the EU ? Perhaps it's not just money ? Is it about morality ? The EU is a godless bunch of heathens and pagans. Is that was Ukraine wants to head towards ?

A good marketing campaign with a healthy dose of community organizing certainly would lure people into getting involved in activism to a more solid, open relationship with the US and the EU. Victoria Nuland, , US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, of Benghazi Coverup fame, was shown on NBC strolling around encouraging the protestors. Poor Victoria was recently in a bit of a diplomatic embarassment when Russia apparently released an audio of Ms. Nuland uttering "F*** the EU" in a conversation; though her reaction to the release seemed quite calm. Ahh, what a "diplomatic" corps we have.

The "projects" below are listed on the website of the International Renaissance Foundations (the Soros-backed Open Society organization that operates inside Ukraine).

Select an activity to view grants

Activities 2013

• Civil society impact on EU-Ukraine relations [20 grants]
• Freedom of movement between Ukraine and the EU [10 grants]
• Integration among civil societies of Ukraine and the EU [5 grants]
• Developing professional journalism on European integration in Ukraine [10 grants]
• Non-Competitive and Innovative Projects [4 grants]
• Projects approved by IRF Board [2 grants]

Activities 2012

• Civil society impact on EU-Ukraine relations [18 grants]
• Freedom of movement between Ukraine and the EU [15 grants]
• Integration among civil societies of Ukraine and the EU [3 grants]
• Developing professional journalism on European integration in Ukraine [7 grants]
• Non-Competitive and Innovative Projects [6 grants]

Activities 2011

• Enhancing the civil society’s contribution to shaping EU-Ukraine relations [8 grants]
• Integrating Ukraine’s civil society to that of the EU [6 grants]
• Removing barriers for human contacts between Ukraine and the EU [12 grants]
• Increasing popular demand for Ukraine’s Europeanization [26 grants]
• Development of European studies at Ukrainian universities [3 grants]
• Projects approved by IRF Board [1 grant]

Activities 2010

• Enhancing the civil society’s contribution to shaping EU-Ukraine relations [5 grants]
• Integrating Ukraine’s civil society to that of the EU [10 grants]
• Removing barriers for human contacts between Ukraine and the EU [8 grants]
• Increasing popular demand for Ukraine’s Europeanization [16 grants]
• Розвиток Мережі центрів європейської інформації України [20 grants]
• Development of European studies at Ukrainian universities [13 grants]
• Non-Competitive and Innovative Projects [1 grant]

Activities 2009

• Enhancing the civil society’s contribution to shaping EU-Ukraine relations [7 grants]
• Removing barriers for human contacts between Ukraine and the EU [11 grants]
• Increasing popular demand for Ukraine’s European integration [11 grants]
• Enhancing the Network of Regional European Information Centers [19 grants]
• Non-Competitive and Innovative Projects [4 grants]
• European integration projects approved by IRF Board [2 grants]

Activities 2008

• Expert Support for Ukraine’s European Integration Policy [4 grants]
• Civil Society Monitoring of Efforts Aimed at Removing Obstacles to Contacts Between People from Ukraine and the EU [8 grants]
• Ukraine’s Integration into the European Educational Space and Development of European Studies at the University Level [6 grants]
• Educating Youth about Europe [5 grants]
• Raising Public Awareness of European and Euro-Atlantic Integration [4 grants]
• Enhancing the Network of Regional European Information Centers [17 grants]
• Non-Competitive and Innovative Projects [3 grants]

Activities 2007

• Impact of Civil Society on European Integration Policy [7 grants]
• Enhancing Сapacity of Target Groups in the Field of European and Euro-Atlantic Integration through Trainings [9 grants]
• Raising Public Awareness of European and Euro-Atlantic Integration through Informational-Educational Events [15 grants]
• Creation and Support of Regional European Information Centers [10 grants]
• Noncompetitive and Innovative Projects [11 grants]

Activities 2006

• Civil Society Monitoring of European and Euro-Atlantic Integration [7 grants]
• Development, Implementation and Promotion of Training Courses in European / Euro-Atlantic Integration [5 grants]
• Awareness raising on European and Euro-Atlantic Integration via NGO cooperation [8 grants]
• Establishment of European Information Centers on the basis of Oblast Universal Scholarly Libraries in Selected Regions of Ukraine [14 grants]
• Creation of Television and Radio Programs about European and Euro-Atlantic Integration [6 grants]
• Development of European Studies at Educational Establishments [6 grants]
• Noncompetitive and Innovative Projects [13 grants]

Activities 2005

• Civil Society Monitoring of the EU-Ukraine Action Plan [3 grants]
• Development and Implementation of European Integration Training Courses [7 grants]
• Information and Education Activities on European Integration [7 grants]
• Creation of the Ukrainian Consortium of European Information Centers [14 grants]
• Raising Public Awareness of European Integration through Mass Media [8 grants]
• Development of European Studios at Educational Institutions [6 grants]
• Other [6 grants]

[PieterCasparzen]

FYI, a synopsis of the International Renaissance Foundation.

[Jim Noble]

In real terms Ukraine with be either a Russian client or a German (EU) client.

And the reality is that Galicia, Ruthenia, and the Bukovina will go to Germany, and the rest will go to Russia.

Same as it ever was.

[Mariner]

"And the reality is that Galicia, Ruthenia, and the Bukovina will go to Germany, and the rest will go to Russia."

When were the regions you mention ever part of Germany, Austro-Hungary...or even reaching back to the Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Peoples?

If my limited knowledge of history is correct all of Ukraine was either part of the Mongol Empire or Russian Empire, unless we reach back to the time of the Original Roman Empire when the area was mostly Slavic and Celt tribes...not claimed or organized. Even the Goths settled there a while but never made an actual country of it.

[cunning_fish]

>>>independent and rather deal with western civilized nations than with Russian KGB commiesaaaars<<<

Isn’t it quite ironic that ethnic Ukrainians has somehow dominated KGB ranks who were led by a Georgian?

[Revolting cat!]

Uninformed nonsense. Who’s spreading this crap, some Alex Jones?

[BlueDragon]

Getting 404 file not found, at every link.

What do you have against Ukrainians, anyway?

You are coming across more & more like a Russian, since you keep pushing the Russian Putin Party talking points.

Does it ever occur to you the Ukrainians may have some real & actual beefs with the latest Admin there? The man overthrew the constitution that was just put in place some years previous, about as soon as he got into office.

Soros, soros, soros. It's not that simple.

But are you --THAT simple minded?

[Jim Noble]

Galicia and Ruthenia were Austrian or Hungarian from before 1000 AD until 1918.

All of Western Ukraine was in the Empire.

[Mariner]

Yep, just did that check myself and I confirm you are correct. We4stern Ukraine was indeed part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and before that the Lithuanian/Polish Empires.

I'm very happy you prompted me to learn that!