Skip to comments.The Blood Being Shed in Kiev is on Putinís Hands
Posted on 02/20/2014 4:38:53 AM PST by No One Special
My prediction that the situation in Ukraine was easing turned out to be horribly optimistic, and terribly wrong. Within hours of posting, violence-the most extreme of the past months-erupted on the streets of Kiev.
The pretext for a brutal assault by regime forces was a march by oppositionists to the parliament building. The marchers were demanding that the Rada return the country to the 2004 constitution, which substantially limited presidential powers. They were set upon by militia. Then the government forces advanced on Grushevsky Street in Kiev, penetrating the protestors position through an opening that the opposition had agreed to make in exchange for amnesty of those previously arrested. Now the government forces have moved on the Maidan, and are announcing that all women and children should leave before the regime troops execute an anti-terrorist operation. The militia have already burned down the protestors tents. The scenes in the live feed are apocalyptic.
I have seen reports of up to nine dead, including seven protestors. One body was allegedly found headless. This nearly doubles the previous death toll, and the night is not over.
The timing of the repression is telling. It occurred the day after Putin released the next $2 billion in aid. He presumably did so only if his conditions were met. And Yanukovych would not have taken such action without the approval of his patron. The circumstantial evidence therefore strongly suggests that Putin either ordered the action, or gave Yanukovych permission to carry it out.
Even if the crackdown is not a direct quid pro quo demanded by Putin in exchange for the money, the blood is on Putins hands, and on Russias hands. The conflict on the streets results directly from his coercion of Yanukovych into walking away from the association agreement with the EU, and his demand that Ukraine associate with Russia alone. No such demand, no protests, no blood on the streets.
That is, Putins actions in November were necessary and sufficient conditions for what is transpiring today. If yesterdays release of money was tied to Yanukovychs agreement to end the protests by whatever means necessary, that only compounds the crime and determined the timing.
Thus, the blood is on Putins hands.
Now we have to watch to see what the coalition of the feckless-the EU and the US-does. A Rubicon has been crossed. What will Germany and the US do in particular to respond?
And respond not just against Ukrainian officials and the Ukrainian government, but at the ultimate source of the repression: Russia and Putin.
Nope. It was the EU that demanded an exclusive association, not Russia. To be more precise, the EU requires it's members to defer to the central government on issues such as tariffs and immigration.
Soros’s hands are in this too and Obama is meddling in matters best left to those in the immediate vicinity.
I would NOT be surprised to see such violence break out right here in the U.S. and I believe odumbo would welcome it. More than likely he too, will be the cause.
They chose Russia because the EU was giving them cr**.
Among themselves. Try telling French farmers they're going to have to compete with Africans.
Now now. No bringing reality into the conversation.
You’ve got George Soros involved in this ugly picture and you’re blaming Putin??
You’ve got George Soros involved in this ugly picture and you’re blaming Putin??
That's a deliberate lie, no such demand was ever made.
In fact Putin proposed tripartite negotiations with the EU & Ukraine several months ago, before Yanukovich made his decision.
“Soross hands are in this too and Obama is meddling in matters best left to those in the immediate vicinity.”
“Youve got George Soros involved in this ugly picture and youre blaming Putin??”
from this link (Soros involvement)
The connections between the Kyiv uprising and the EU outside manipulators are so apparent, the Kyiv square that has become the «Tahrir Square» of Ukraine is called «Euromaidan.» The initial Tahrir Square uprising in Cairo, which overthrew Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, was partly manipulated by Soros-financed and Sharp-influenced street demonstrators who took their cues from professional political agitators hastily flown into Egypt from the United States and Europe.
The latest professionally-agitated spectacle in Kyivs was spearheaded by the same Soros/Sharp/National Endowment for Democracy/CIA hydra that saw the overthrow of Ukraines government in 2004 in the so-called Orange Revolution. This time, not only is Ukrainian President Yanukovych, but ultimately Russian President Vladimir Putin, are the targets 
Nuland, who is married to the neocon Robert Kagan, handed out snacks to protesters on Maidan Square. Imagine the reaction of the United States had a second-tier official of either the Russian or Chinese foreign ministry handed out food to Occupy Wall Street protesters in Washington and urged them to overthrow, by force if necessary, President Obama.
Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) derivative involvment in the Ukraine
the Ukraine girls really knock me out
(music to read this post by)
And Russian-led Customs Union has most of the votes being held by Russia, what’s your point?
Yanukovych starts to sign the EU trade agreement, Russia closes the borders to Ukraine trade - summer 2013. These two events could be completely unrelated, then again, they might not be
The Russian deal doesn't prevent Ukraine from making similar deals with other parties. It only limits tariffs within the union.
The Russians also made a substantially better offer to Ukraine, (less strings, more money, and a natural gas discount) than the EU/IMF proposal.
The Europeans admitted as much afterwards and at least one rating agency agreed by raising Ukraine's credit rating.
But seriously, what I read about the Customs Union bears little resemblance to the Russian magic stories you're telling me:
The presidents of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus sat down on October 24 in Minsk to grapple with the thorny problems facing their free trade zone from trade barriers to confusion over Customs Union expansion. It was a tense meeting.
President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan usually a staunch Russian ally was in a combative mood, accusing Moscow and Minsk of erecting unfair barriers to trade, describing the Customs Unions Russian-dominated regulatory body as politicized , and urging caution in Moscows efforts to welcome new members.
That’s a very nice proletariat straw-man you’ve constructed there Ivan, but it doesn’t much resemble what’s really happening.
The Russians have not insisted that Ukraine join the nascent Eurasian Customs Union as a condition for accepting their economic proposal, nor have they said that Ukraine is prohibited from engaging in future trade deals with Europe. In fact, it was the EU/IMF and not Russia which made the either/or ultimatum to Ukraine.
Objective economic analysis supports the position that the Russian deal is the better choice for Ukraine. So save your scary Russian bed time stories for the limp wristed western socialist elites, and the geriatric cold war emos who unwittingly support their agenda.
Please see #16 again. When Ukraine tried to sign the EU trade agreement, Russia closed off the borders to trade, going against your statement above entirely.
Russia closes border
Objective economic analysis supports the position that the Russian deal is the better choice for Ukraine.
I'm assuming you're talking about the $15b bailout loan, not the Customs Union (because The Union is suicide for Ukraine, that's clear)
OK, I would love to see that analysis. It's a bond with 5% coupon rate, purchased in instalments every few months or so to ensure political compliance - not much of an analysis.
So save your scary Russian bed time stories
I'd call it having a historical perspective. Given its history of subjugating one neighbour after another, one has to be gullible to take Russian offers of economic partnerships at face value.
Two things...first is that at no time did Russia threaten to 'close off' its borders to imports from Ukraine. Your linked article makes that quite clear. Second, Russia has not made entry into the Eurasian trade union a condition of their agreement with Ukraine and have left that decision entirely in Ukraine's hands.
Contrast that with the EU/IMF position demanding the release of opposition leader Yulia Tymashenko as a pre-condition of their trade agreement to see which side was exerting more overt and wide ranging pressure.
Granted, “closing borders” is an exaggeration as it implies complete stoppage of trade. What Russia did was to create miles long delays at the border hampering trade and causing financial losses to the Ukrainian side. Russian message was, it doesn’t want the EU-Ukraine Trade deal. I don’t see what right it has to tell a neighbouring country what economic/political affiliation to go with.
By November of 2013, the EU had dropped the demand to release Tymoshenko. IMHO, it was a mistake they didn’t do so sooner.