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The Medieval—and Highly Effective—Tactics of the Ukrainian Protests
medium.com ^

Posted on 02/25/2014 10:05:52 PM PST by Kartographer

Ukraine’s Euromaidan movement is in control of the capital. The autocratic and ostrich-raising Pres. Viktor Yanukovych has fled Kiev, and the Ukrainian parliament has voted him out of power.

For now, it’s a dramatic victory for the protesters, who have sought closer ties with the European Union and an end to the corruption represented by Yanukovych. It’s especially stunning considering the protesters had—on several occasions—seemed close to defeat.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: fight; protest; ukrain; ukraine; war
Posted for academic purposes only.
1 posted on 02/25/2014 10:05:52 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
For now, it’s a dramatic victory for the protesters, who have sought closer ties with the European Union and an end to the corruption represented by Yanukovych …
. . . only to replace it with the EU’s corruption.

Early twentieth century all over again. Carve up Eastern Europe as a prelude to . . .
2 posted on 02/25/2014 10:14:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Fascist, Communist. Communist, Fascist. Fire, Frying Pan. Frying Pan, Fire.


3 posted on 02/25/2014 10:22:43 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Except for the trebuchet the tactics seemed more ancient than medieval. Maybe if there were more horses...


4 posted on 02/25/2014 10:24:39 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Kartographer


5 posted on 02/25/2014 10:25:25 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: vladimir998

Those are in the burger meat.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 10:27:10 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kartographer

They have the national government and Kiev. They perhaps face the Ukrainian Russians who are quite capable of breaking off whatever part of Ukraine that Putin feels Russia needs.


7 posted on 02/25/2014 10:30:18 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Kartographer

“closer ties with the European Union”

Meaning, expecting a rain of euros from EU.


8 posted on 02/25/2014 10:38:26 PM PST by Marguerite ( When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Kartographer

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9 posted on 02/25/2014 11:00:42 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Kartographer

BUMP

Fire


10 posted on 02/25/2014 11:07:30 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Kartographer

I wonder how our government would reply to the occupation of the house and senate chambers by several thousand protesters and people throwing Molotov cocktails at the park police in front of the white house.... The media applauds this mob rule in the Ukraine. I FIND IT TRULY AMAZING THAT OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS REMOVED THE SKILLS OF HONESTY,OBJECTIVITY AND ANALYSIS FROM THE TEACHING OF JOURNALISM. ( AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY AS WELL). Randolph Hearst must be proud. - maybe they will change the name of the Pulitzer to the Hearst Award for yellow journalism... - Because the news industry ( I can’t call them the Press anymore)are working to bring back the cold war. - for ratings.


11 posted on 02/25/2014 11:09:41 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Kartographer
Here, let me rephrase the title...

The Brave—and Highly Effective—Tactics of the Ukrainian Protests

There, that is far more accurate.

The 2014 Ukrainian Maiden Revolt

12 posted on 02/25/2014 11:09:51 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Kartographer
Here, let me rephrase the title...

The Brave—and Highly Effective—Tactics of the Ukrainian Protests

There, that is far more accurate.

The 2014 Ukrainian Maiden Revolt

13 posted on 02/25/2014 11:09:51 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Kartographer

This will probably end with the split up of the Ukraine but not as peaceful as was Czechoslovakia but not as violent as the former Yugoslav Republic.


14 posted on 02/25/2014 11:19:39 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: arthurus
They perhaps face the Ukrainian Russians who are quite capable of breaking off whatever part of Ukraine that Putin feels Russia needs.

Perhaps not. The only part of Ukraine with a majority of ethnic Russians is Crimea. In the rest of the country most of the Russian speaking people are ethnic Ukrainians (total 77.8% according to Wiki) whose interests aren't necessarily those of Russia.

As well, more than three million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine have re-identified themselves as Ukrainians since 1991, an attitude that makes it more difficult for Moscow to play this ethnic card against Kyiv.

See here for details and comments by "a Ukrainian-descended American software developer, based for the last two years ... in Lviv, in western Ukraine, about 300 miles from the capital, Kyiv, where the worst of the recent civil unrest has taken place"


15 posted on 02/25/2014 11:35:26 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

The main difference between Russian and Ukranian is that Russian will still be spoken 30 years from now.


16 posted on 02/25/2014 11:54:27 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Jeff Head; caveat emptor
Interesting map and info.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 12:00:04 AM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

Those heavily Russian and mostly Russian areas are the heavy industry and coal mining areas. The rest live on welfare and potatoes.


18 posted on 02/26/2014 3:16:28 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: caveat emptor

You are right Ukrainians self identify as Ukrainian not Russo-Ukrainian. Partition was a generation ago Socially and economically Ukraine is doing better than Russia who is only getting by on oil and gas sales

My sense from speaking with my Ukrainian friends is that pitical my they want to be unaligned


19 posted on 02/26/2014 3:32:34 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: SeeSharp

I was thinking that Stalin replaced Ukranian farmers with Russians during the massive purges of the 1930’s. Is that (another) one of those things that I remember only partly correctly?


20 posted on 02/26/2014 4:34:30 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: caveat emptor

The Crimea is what Putin would want.


21 posted on 02/26/2014 5:03:57 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: caveat emptor

The map seems to suggest a two-state solution, although the new Ukrainian state would be so poor it probably could not survive as an independent entity.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 5:06:31 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Waverunner
I wonder how our government would reply to the occupation of the house and senate chambers by several thousand protesters and people throwing Molotov cocktails at the park police in front of the white house.

It would depend. If it were a bunch of leftists, then the media would call it "democracy in action" and applaud it, as they did when Left-wing union protesters occupied the Wisconsin state capital building in 2011 to protest against right-to-work.

If it was TEA Party protesters, the media would call for the military to go in and kill us all.

As far as Ukraine is concerned, the media is on the side of the EU socialists, and against Putin because of his anti-gay and pro-Orthodox positions.

23 posted on 02/26/2014 5:23:26 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Waverunner

See post #3 this thread. There are no 100% good guys in this fight. The thread is about how they did it not why.

How many people would have bet that things would have ended as they did? Me I expected lots more blood in the streets and a lot of people in gulugs.


24 posted on 02/26/2014 6:13:23 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Waverunner
"I wonder how our government would reply to the occupation of the house and senate chambers by several thousand protesters and people throwing Molotov cocktails at the park police in front of the white house.... The media applauds this mob rule in the Ukraine”."

The protests started out peaceful over two months ago. .

--------------------------------------- Ask another question:
I wonder how our public would reply to the U.S. Government closing off the Mall area of Washington DC to protests?

I wonder how Americans would react, if the Park police started shooting people who protested peacefully in front of the White House with rubber bullets?< /b>

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25 posted on 02/26/2014 9:26:40 AM PST by FBD
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To: SeeSharp
Those heavily Russian and mostly Russian areas are the heavy industry and coal mining areas. The rest live on welfare and potatoes.

Duh. You gotta be kidding. Maybe not. Ever hear of the Bread Basket of Europe?

The rich dark soil and the vast fields of wheat and other food products have earned Ukraine the nickname "bread basket of Europe."

According to the CIA World Factbook, Ukraine produced 25% of all agricultural output in the former Soviet Union. Today, Ukraine exports substantial amounts of grain, vegetables, sugar beets, sunflower seeds, milk and meat.

Exports (including non-food exports) go to Russia, 20%; the countries of the European Union, 17%; China, 7%; Turkey, 6%; and the U.S. 4%.

In addition, food processing, especially sugar processing, is an important industrial segment. Nearly one out of four workers in Ukraine is employed in agriculture or forestry related endeavors.

26 posted on 02/26/2014 5:59:33 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor
Ever hear of the Bread Basket of Europe?

LOL. No one but historians call it that now. It hasn't been true since before the "revolution".

Yushenko banned the export of grain during his term of office because food prices were so high. Of course, this ruined the farmers, but socialists don't care about that sort of thing.

27 posted on 02/27/2014 1:46:36 AM PST by SeeSharp
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